"Church pastors" where are you???

[RLT63]

Not at all worried about 'my prime minister'. The new Prime Minster has already succeeded in becoming the new leader of the Conservative Party, with an overwhelming majority, with a platform totally dedicated to 'individual freedom'.

Except for truck drivers, protesters and people who want to buy guns. What happened to "My body, my choice" when it comes to the Covid vaccine?

 

[Stan B]

"But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— here the priest is to put the woman under this curse— “may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.” Numbers 5:20-22 NIV

The NIV is the only version that mentions a miscarriage. The translators took too much liberty here. Still a miscarriage is not an abortion.
No birth, no pregnancy and no conception!
Conception was ceased. This is not the same as an abortion.

If you check out the original language, you will find the same original miscarriage and abortion are the very same word.

 

[RLT63]

If you check out the original language, you will find the same original miscarriage and abortion are the very same word.

Please post that.

 

[Mantis]

It is sad to see "Christians" being deceived into embracing the false anti-biblical anti-abortion religion, and then lying about the source of the foundation of their faith. ??

Although a great deal of Scripture talks about sexual immorality in a very detailed manner, nowhere amongst those laws does God ever say "Thou shalt not have an abortion". Embarrassed by the ineptness of the real God, they have made up their own false God, to replace the true God, because He was too dumb to forbid abortion.

They hate the God of the Bible who instead of banning abortion, actuallyt demands abortion such as in the case of a fetus being conceived from an adulteress relationship. In those days the abortion was performed by the priest:

"But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— here the priest is to put the woman under this curse— “may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.” Numbers 5:20-22 NIV

This is the God against whom the anti-abortionists like you direct their demonic hatred, and demand that THEY have the sole right to control what a woman does with her own body. The concept of FREEDOM; any "freedom" THEY don't control is trampled into the ground. They have submitted to their god Satan, who is trying to make God the culprit. We have been freed from the law. Satan desires to bring us all back into the bondage of HIS laws. Hail Satan!!

Mantis, I understand your evil religion, which rejects Scripture which proclaims God to be evil, which can only mean that your false religion comes from Satan!

In Hosea 9:13-16, the prophet Hosea prayed to God to abort the fetuses of his enemies which God did.

For you have played the harlot, forsaking your God.

7 The days of punishment have come,
The days of retribution have come;

11 As for Ephraim, their glory will fly away like a bird—
No birth, no pregnancy and no conception!
12 Though they bring up their children,
Yet I will bereave them until not a man is left.
Yes, woe to them indeed when I depart from them!
13 Ephraim, as I have seen,
Is planted in a pleasant meadow like Tyre;
But Ephraim will bring out his children for slaughter.
Hoseas's prayer:
14 Give them, O Lord what will You give?
Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.

16 Ephraim is stricken, their root is dried up,
They will bear no fruit.
Even though they bear children,
I will slay the precious ones of their womb.
17 My God will cast them away
Because they have not listened to Him;

Mantis, you have most ably declared your intense hatred of God and the truth of Scripture. Only one with demonic possession would express such intense hatred for God and His Scripture.

Boy you are deceived. I hate no one. Including you. I love Jesus more than you can know. And to love him is to love people.

 

[Stan B]

"But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— here the priest is to put the woman under this curse— “may the Lord cause you to become a curse among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.” Numbers 5:20-22 NIV

The NIV is the only version that mentions a miscarriage. The translators took too much liberty here. Still a miscarriage is not an abortion.
No birth, no pregnancy and no conception!
Conception was ceased. This is not the same as an abortion.

Whatever . . the original language uses the same word for both miscarriage and abortion.

 

[RLT63]

Whatever . . the original language uses the same word for both miscarriage and abortion.

Again, please post the evidence. I'm surprised that the Hebrews had a word for abortion.

 

[GISMYS_7]

God's Word tells us what the unborn is=== their child!!
MARY'S UNBORN CHILD====luke 1
41 When Elizabeth heard Mary speak, the baby moved in her body. At the same time Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.

42 Elizabeth spoke in a loud voice, “You are honored among women! Your Child is honored! 43 Why has this happened to me? Why has the mother of my Lord come to me? 44 As soon as I heard your voice, the baby in my body moved for joy.

 

[Stan B]

Again, please post the evidence. I'm surprised that the Hebrews had a word for abortion.

"If a man fathers a hundred children and lives many years, however many they be, but his soul is not satisfied with good things, and he does not even have a proper burial, then I say, “Better an abortion [Strong's 5309: Something fallen, an abortion] than he" Ecclesiastes 6:3

 

[RLT63]

"If a man fathers a hundred children and lives many years, however many they be, but his soul is not satisfied with good things, and he does not even have a proper burial, then I say, “Better an abortion [Strong's 5309: Something fallen, an abortion] than he" Ecclesiastes 6:3

3 If a man beget a hundred children, and live many years, so that the days of his years are many, but his soul be not filled with good, and moreover he have no burial; I say, that an untimely birth is better than he:
an untimely birth

PHRASE
h5309

הַנָּֽפֶל נֶפֶלnep̄el

HTd/Ncmsa
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/preSearch.cfm?Criteria=birth&t=KJV
An untimely birthנֶפֶל nephel, neh'-fel; or נֵפֶל nêphel; from H5307; something fallen, i.e. an abortion:—untimely birth.

Numbers 5:22
h4578

בְּֽמֵעַיִךְ מֵעֶהmēʿê

HR/Ncmpc/Sp2fs
to make

PHRASE
h6638 ↓

לַצְבּוֹת צָבָהṣāḇâ

HR/Vhc
[thy]



 



belly

h990

בֶּטֶן בֶּטֶןbeṭen

HNcfsa
to swell,

PHRASE
h6638 ↑

לַצְבּוֹת צָבָהṣāḇâ

HR/Vhc
and

h5307 ↓

וְלַנְפִּל נָפַלnāp̄al

HC/R/Vhc
[thy]



 



thigh

h3409

יָרֵךְ יָרֵךyārēḵ

HNcfsa
to rot:

PHRASE
h5307 ↑

וְלַנְפִּל נָפַל

 

[Stan B]

Boy you are deceived. I hate no one. Including you. I love Jesus more than you can know. And to love him is to love people.

So far, all you have proved, is that you hate Scripture, and the One who inspired it. The only love you have demonstrated so far is that you love a lie.

 

[RLT63]

3 If a man beget a hundred children, and live many years, so that the days of his years are many, but his soul be not filled with good, and moreover he have no burial; I say, that an untimely birth is better than he:
an untimely birth

PHRASE
h5309

הַנָּֽפֶל נֶפֶלnep̄el

HTd/Ncmsa
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/preSearch.cfm?Criteria=birth&t=KJV
An untimely birthנֶפֶל nephel, neh'-fel; or נֵפֶל nêphel; from H5307; something fallen, i.e. an abortion:—untimely birth.

Numbers 5:22
h4578

בְּֽמֵעַיִךְ מֵעֶהmēʿê

HR/Ncmpc/Sp2fs
to make

PHRASE
h6638 ↓

לַצְבּוֹת צָבָהṣāḇâ

HR/Vhc
[thy]



 



belly

h990

בֶּטֶן בֶּטֶןbeṭen

HNcfsa
to swell,

PHRASE
h6638 ↑

לַצְבּוֹת צָבָהṣāḇâ

HR/Vhc
and

h5307 ↓

וְלַנְפִּל נָפַלnāp̄al

HC/R/Vhc
[thy]



 



thigh

h3409

יָרֵךְ יָרֵךyārēḵ

HNcfsa
to rot:

PHRASE
h5307 ↑

וְלַנְפִּל נָפַל

I don't see it in Numbers 5:22
a curse

PHRASE
h779

אָרַר'ārar

shall go

PHRASE
h935

בּוֹאbô'

into your stomach

PHRASE
h4578

מֵעֶהmēʿê

and make your abdomen

PHRASE
h990

בֶּטֶןbeṭen

swell

h6638

צָבָהṣāḇâ

and your thigh

PHRASE
h3409

יָרֵךyārēḵ

waste

h5307

נָפַלnāp̄al

away

h5307

נָפַלnāp̄al

And the woman

PHRASE
h802

אִשָּׁה'iššâ

shall say

PHRASE
h559

אָמַר'āmar

Amen

h543

אָמֵן'āmēn

Amen

 

[Stan B]

Except for truck drivers, protesters and people who want to buy guns. What happened to "My body, my choice" when it comes to the Covid vaccine?

The same dimwit nutcases who yell "My body, my choice", when it comes to someone else having an abortion, they still yell "their body, ***OUR*** choice." What a horrendous accumulation of societal evil!

 

[RLT63]

The same dimwit nutcases who yell "My body, my choice", when it comes to someone else having an abortion, they still yell "their body, ***OUR*** choice." What a horrendous accumulation of societal evil!

I'm not sure who you're talking about in that post.

 

[Stan B]

I'm not sure who you're talking about in that post.

I am talking about honoured members of the community who when dealing with Covid vaccines holler "My body, my choice"

Then when addressing the matter of abortion, they holler, "Your body. NOT your choice!!" Just a bunch of dimwitted nutcases wanting to take over control of our lives!! This is nothing short of Satanic!

 

[Mantis]

So far, all you have proved, is that you hate Scripture, and the One who inspired it. The only love you have demonstrated so far is that you love a lie.

Please don’t project your hatred and bitterness towards me. I honestly have no idea what you are ranting about. I don’t hate scripture or Jesus. Jesus is Lord. Can you even say that?

 

[Stan B]

I'm not sure who you're talking about in that post.

Have a few of these types in my part of the world. Anti-vaccine; anti-abortion, built upon a foundation of profound Biblical illiteracy.

 

[Stan B]

Please don’t project your hatred and bitterness toward me. I honestly have no idea what you are ranting about. I don’t hate scripture or Jesus. Jesus is Lord. Can you even say that?

So far, the only thing I have seen from you is a condemnation of God, Scripture, and His priests who have been instructed to perform abortions as appropriate. That's not what Christians do. That's what demons do!

 

[Stan B]

Please don’t project your hatred and bitterness towards me. I honestly have no idea what you are ranting about. I don’t hate scripture or Jesus. Jesus is Lord. Can you even say that?

Do you believe that Scripture not only does not forbid abortion, but actually sanctions it?

 

[Marymog]

I don't know what kind of cult you are promoting, but it certainly has nothing to do with Scripture. So if it is not of God, then where do these lies and dedication to twisting Scripture along with the English language? These lies must come from Satan!!

Where in the Bible does it say "Thou shalt not have an abortion"?? It doesn't!!

Where in the Bible is abortion not only approved but demanded??

Where in the Bible are we ever told to destroy personal freedom of others, and allow Satanic cult to take you prisoner.

So are you Taliban, or what??

A fetus is an organism that lives in its mother's womb.
You are an organism that once lived in your mother's womb.
No one has the right to kill you, an organism.
No one has the right to kill an organism living in its mother's womb.

I see satan has you in his grasps. My prayers are with you.

 

[Stan B]

A fetus is an organism that lives in its mother's womb.
You are an organism that once lived in your mother's womb.
No one has the right to kill you, an organism.
No one has the right to kill an organism living in its mother's womb.

I see satan has you in his grasps. My prayers are with you.

And poop is an organism living in a mother's bowels . . .