Co- Redemptrix

[Stranger]

And your point is . . . .

Please. The point is that Mary was born of a union between a man and a woman making her a sinner like everyone else. Which means she was stained with original sin like everyone else.

Stranger

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Mary gave 2 turtle doves for a sin offering...

 

[BreadOfLife]

Here's post 368:

Is this the very best you can do?
It's more than apparent you've never had to actually EXPLAIN it to anyone.

Go ahead. In your own words, explain it as if I know nothing about it. Which is what I used to do.

P.S. You yourself said that a person must believe as an adult or baptism means nothing.

See. I keep giving you clues, but you just don't know the answer.
Again: Why do babies get baptized?

I've already explained it you to several times.
If you don't like the answer - just say so - but don't lie and say that I didn't answer your question.

As for your text in RED - WHEN did I make this claim?

 

[BreadOfLife]

And HOW does one educate onesself when the RCC said, just about 30 yrs ago, that it was IMPOSSIBLE for a lay person to UNDERSTAND the bible and reading it was discouraged for this reason.

Another lie?

No - the lie is YOURS.
Produce the official Church teaching that stated the Bible was "impossible" for lay people to understand and discouraged the reading of it.

If you can't produce this - then your post is the same, tired rubbish as your other posts . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

That was rather rude of you.
And you call yourself a Christian...
Read the beatitudes
Mathew 5:3-10

It would do you some good.

Go back and read mjrhealth's posts and tell me how "Christian" they are.
He's just another angry anti-Catholic instigator.

While you're at it - read the Commandments - especially the one about NOT bearing false witness (Exod. 20:16) . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well, Jesus was dying, so he had to pick somebody as caretaker for his mother, as was a typical Jewish tradition for widows. From this one vague little verse, Mary has been exalted as the mother of the body of believers, as sinless, as the "queen over all things", and as the intercessor for our prayers, all entirely blasphemous fabrications of men, backed up nowhere in scripture.

MOST Protestants believe that Jesus had siblings. Why wouldn't THEY take Mary into their homes?
Or - do you believe that Jesus was an only Child, like us Catholics?

It's "blasphemous" to call Mary or ANY person who prays for us an "intercessor"??
Can you show me where the Bible makes this claim??

Chapter and verse, please . . .

Is the "MOTHER OF GOD" and the "redeemer" supposed to be the same person, or is this referring to two different persons? Anyone can answer this question, it doesn't have to be BOL.

The Mother of God is Mary, because her Son is God.
Jesus is the "Redeemer."

The rest of the Church are "Co-Redeemers" in the sense that we are coworkers (sunergos) with God
(1 Cor. 3:9, 2 Cor. 6:1).

 

[BreadOfLife]

Please. The point is that Mary was born of a union between a man and a woman making her a sinner like everyone else. Which means she was stained with original sin like everyone else.

Stranger

Ahhhh - so you don't believe that with God ALL things are possible (Matt. 19:26).
He's NOT allowed to make exceptions - is that it?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Mary gave 2 turtle doves for a sin offering...

Mary did what was required of the Law.
Had she NOT done what was required - she would have been guilty of sinning.

Jesus fulfilled everything that was required of the Law - and yet He was sinless.
Explain that . . .

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Mary did what was required of the Law.
Had she NOT done what was required - she would have been guilty of sinning.

Jesus fulfilled everything that was required of the Law - and yet He was sinless.
Explain that . . .

When did Jesus offer a sin offering for himself?
You LIE!

 

[BreadOfLife]

When did Jesus offer a sin offering for himself?
You LIE!

When did Jesus go to the bathroom?
Just because it's not in Scripture doesn't mean He didn't do it.

Matt. 5:17 tells us that Jesus came to FULFILL the Law.

Jesus was an obedient Jew, who ate Sabbath meals and observed the Law in obedience to the Father.

Phil. 2:8
Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming OBEDIENTto the point of death, even death on a cross.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

When did Jesus go to the bathroom?
Just because it's not in Scripture doesn't mean He didn't do it.

Matt. 5:17 tells us that Jesus came to FULFILL the Law.

Jesus was an obedient Jew, who ate Sabbath meals and observed the Law in obedience to the Father.

Phil. 2:8
Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming OBEDIENTto the point of death, even death on a cross.

You call Jesus a sinner
You don't know Scripture
What's the name of your cult again?

 

[BreadOfLife]

You call Jesus a sinner
You don't know Scripture
What's the name of your cult again?

Rubbish.

Are you saying that Jesus wasn't obedient??
Are you saying that He didn't fulfill the Law??
Are you saying that He didn't fulfill His obligations as a Jew??

What "Bible" are YOU reading??

 

[Stranger]

Ahhhh - so you don't believe that with God ALL things are possible (Matt. 19:26).
He's NOT allowed to make exceptions - is that it?

Oh, I believe with God all things are possible. And it is not a question of God 'being allowed to make an exception'. No one is above God to allow Him to do anything. But, in His plan of salvation, God has revealed how His Son could be born into the human race and not be stained with original sin. Making Him 100% God and 100% man. A supernatural effort on His part to do so.

Yet, with Mary, nothing is said of her being without sin. No supernatural effort is made in making her without sin. She is born of a man and a woman which automatically makes her a sinner, stained with origianl sin. The Roman Church wants her to be without sin...but she is not. She was a sinner in need of a Saviour like all of us sinners.

So, you see...all things are possible with God. But that doesn't mean you create fiction and then say it could be so because all things are possible with God. Liars tend to do that. Oh...

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

MOST Protestants believe that Jesus had siblings. Why wouldn't THEY take Mary into their homes?
Or - do you believe that Jesus was an only Child, like us Catholics?

It's "blasphemous" to call Mary or ANY person who prays for us an "intercessor"??
Can you show me where the Bible makes this claim??

Chapter and verse, please . . .

The Mother of God is Mary, because her Son is God.
Jesus is the "Redeemer."

The rest of the Church are "Co-Redeemers" in the sense that we are coworkers (sunergos) with God
(1 Cor. 3:9, 2 Cor. 6:1).

Stupid statement. God has no mother.

Did God exist before Mary?

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

Stupid statement. God has no mother.

Did God exist before Mary?

Stranger

No - the Son did, though. He was Spirit.

Here's a little biology lesson: Mary was impregnated by God and gave birth to His Son. There is zero indication in Scripture that He implanted a fetus into Mary, making her a mere surrogate.
She gave Him her DNA - just as YOUR mom did to you.

Jesus is fully man and fully God.
Who do you think Mary is, if not His mother??

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh, I believe with God all things are possible. And it is not a question of God 'being allowed to make an exception'. No one is above God to allow Him to do anything. But, in His plan of salvation, God has revealed how His Son could be born into the human race and not be stained with original sin. Making Him 100% God and 100% man. A supernatural effort on His part to do so.

Yet, with Mary, nothing is said of her being without sin. No supernatural effort is made in making her without sin. She is born of a man and a woman which automatically makes her a sinner, stained with origianl sin. The Roman Church wants her to be without sin...but she is not. She was a sinner in need of a Saviour like all of us sinners.

So, you see...all things are possible with God. But that doesn't mean you create fiction and then say it could be so because all things are possible with God. Liars tend to do that. Oh...

Stranger

And that is false.

Not only is Mary Kecharitomene - she is the ONLY one in Scripture to be described as "Kecharitomene".
As I have already explained to you in great detail, "Kecharitomene" indicates a completed action with permanent result. So, it translates, “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.”

There's your proof of her sinlessness. . .

 

[Stranger]

No - the Son did, though. He was Spirit.

Here's a little biology lesson: Mary was impregnated by God and gave birth to His Son. There is zero indication in Scripture that He implanted a fetus into Mary, making her a mere surrogate.
She gave Him her DNA - just as YOUR mom did to you.

Jesus is fully man and fully God.
Who do you think Mary is, if not His mother??

So there was no Trinity until Jesus was born? Strange statement.

You say no, God did not exist before Mary. Now you say Mary was impregnated by God. If God did not exist before Mary how did the nonexistent God impregnate her? Foolish. Mary is not the mother of God. God always existed Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Yes, Jesus is fully Man and fully God. The God man. The Son was already Deity. Jesus did not get His divine nature from the Holy Spirit. The Son was already God. The Holy Spirit was active in begatting the human side of Christ. Thus the idea that Jesus got His divine side from God and His human side from Mary is false.

Mary bore that special creation of God into the race of humanity. (Luke 1:35) "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." Mary was the mother in that that 'holy thing' was born of her. The GodMan. She is not the mother of God as God already existed in the persons of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

And that is false.

Not only is Mary Kecharitomene - she is the ONLY one in Scripture to be described as "Kecharitomene".
As I have already explained to you in great detail, "Kecharitomene" indicates a completed action with permanent result. So, it translates, “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.”

There's your proof of her sinlessness. . .

There is nothing there to indicate any sinlessness. No virgin birth for Mary. A sinner just like me and you. But highly favoured.

Stranger

 

[twinc]

There is nothing there to indicate any sinlessness. No virgin birth for Mary. A sinner just like me and you. But highly favoured.

Stranger

so Jesus was sin from His mother's womb = if you were able to create your mother sinless would you - be convinced via google see [the Virgin Mary revealed] by Scott Hahn - twinc

 

[GodsGrace]

so Jesus was sin from His mother's womb = if you were able to create your mother sinless would you - be convinced via google see [the Virgin Mary revealed] by Scott Hahn - twinc

What does Scott Hahn say and in what book does he say it?