Coincidences? Or Time to WATCH be READY for the Day and Hour Is Near

[Ronald Nolette]

1 Cor 15:51-54 is not speaking of "what happens when we reach heaven".

Please read the entire chapter - thank you

I stand corrected. It is what happens at teh rapture for the church and at other times for the rest of the saints before we enter heaven. It is precursor to enter heaven.

 

[Timtofly]

Which is erroneous exegesis. In 2 Cor. 5 Paul is speaking of physical death when the soul and spirit of a believer leaves and goes to heaven while the body goes into the ground.

1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Revelation 20:13-15​

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13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Every soul will be restored to their body. Teh body will have undergone a "metamorphis" (change) and all will be made immortal and incorruptible- some to go to life and the rest to he lake of fire to suffer for eternity in the body god gave. this is the whole point of the Jesus being the firstfruits of the resurrection. the body Jesus died in was the one risen and the one glorified and we will follow after Him in this.

That is a horrible interpretation.

All the redeemed currently in Paradise have permanent incorruptible physical bodies.

Those dead in the LOF are never said to have permanent incorruptible physical bodies. Why are they given bodies without sin? Why does a soul need a physical body in the LOF? Does one physically swim in this lake?

The LOF is just an extension of Death and sheol. Both are now contained in the LOF after the GWT judgment. Three seperate holding places for the dead have now become 1. If they did not need physical bodies in death or sheol, why all of a sudden do they need them in the LOF?

Now if you say humans are indeed cast alive body, soul, and spirit into the LOF, I can see them having a body, but not a resurrection to life body, but a resurrection to death physical body. Just the same body of sin they had in life prior to death.

Jesus never had Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Jesus had God's permanent incorruptible physical body that was made subject to the effects of suffering. Of course it was the same body after resurrection that was on the Cross.

But we are not going to put on a changed Adamic body. That body was temporal, corruptible, and of sin and death. God has already given those in Paradise a permanent incorruptible physical body. The body of Adam was from earth, earthly. God's body is from God, heavenly.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That is a horrible interpretation.

All the redeemed currently in Paradise have permanent incorruptible physical bodies.

Those dead in the LOF are never said to have permanent incorruptible physical bodies. Why are they given bodies without sin? Why does a soul need a physical body in the LOF? Does one physically swim in this lake?

The LOF is just an extension of Death and sheol. Both are now contained in the LOF after the GWT judgment. Three seperate holding places for the dead have now become 1. If they did not need physical bodies in death or sheol, why all of a sudden do they need them in the LOF?

Now if you say humans are indeed cast alive body, soul, and spirit into the LOF, I can see them having a body, but not a resurrection to life body, but a resurrection to death physical body. Just the same body of sin they had in life prior to death.

Jesus never had Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Jesus had God's permanent incorruptible physical body that was made subject to the effects of suffering. Of course it was the same body after resurrection that was on the Cross.

But we are not going to put on a changed Adamic body. That body was temporal, corruptible, and of sin and death. God has already given those in Paradise a permanent incorruptible physical body. The body of Adam was from earth, earthly. God's body is from God, heavenly.

All these on e liners show you only accept part of what Scripture says about the dead.

Our bodies are changed and clothed with incorruption. As it is described in Thess. in the rapture, we are caught up to meet the Lord and our mortal is clothed with immortality, and our corruption is clothed with incorruption This is not an interpretation but a direct recitation of what is written.

And the lost are immortal and incorruptible. Incorruptble does not mean sinless, but unable to rot or age or become diseased!

 

[Timtofly]

All these on e liners show you only accept part of what Scripture says about the dead.

Our bodies are changed and clothed with incorruption. As it is described in Thess. in the rapture, we are caught up to meet the Lord and our mortal is clothed with immortality, and our corruption is clothed with incorruption This is not an interpretation but a direct recitation of what is written.

And the lost are immortal and incorruptible. Incorruptble does not mean sinless, but unable to rot or age or become diseased!

Immortal does not mean living forever in Scripture, as only one time is the word used and it describes God.

You are literally putting on God when you use immortality, not a body.

Paul is talking about the physical (incorruptible) and the spiritual (immortality). So the body is not Immortal, the spirit is. The spirit is not incorruptible, the body is. The soul puts on 2 items: a physical body and a spirit over the body. That is the restored image of God.

 

[ewq1938]

And the lost are immortal and incorruptible.

The lost are not given immortality. They get death.

Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Immortal does not mean living forever in Scripture, as only one time is the word used and it describes God.

You are literally putting on God when you use immortality, not a body.

Paul is talking about the physical (incorruptible) and the spiritual (immortality). So the body is not Immortal, the spirit is. The spirit is not incorruptible, the body is. The soul puts on 2 items: a physical body and a spirit over the body. That is the restored image of God.

YOu need to learn how words were used. You are suffering from thinking 21st Century when you read the bible and not understanding how words were used in the 1st century.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The lost are not given immortality. They get death.

Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

YOu are misreading the passage. the second death was defined one chapter earlier.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

People do not cease to exist, but exist for eternity in the lake of fire and brimstone. Why? Well if you believe the bible as written, in chapter 20 , death and the grave are cast into and destroyed in the lake of fire before people are thrown in, hence death is destroyed!

 

[Timtofly]

YOu need to learn how words were used. You are suffering from thinking 21st Century when you read the bible and not understanding how words were used in the 1st century.

Nope. You all use modern definitions. Have you given us the definition of immortality and the changes over time, to back up your claim?

 

[Timtofly]

YOu are misreading the passage. the second death was defined one chapter earlier.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

People do not cease to exist, but exist for eternity in the lake of fire and brimstone. Why? Well if you believe the bible as written, in chapter 20 , death and the grave are cast into and destroyed in the lake of fire before people are thrown in, hence death is destroyed!

Death is there with them in the LOF. If death stopped existing, then so would every soul. They are destroyed along with death, but if one is forever in the LOF so would the other.

 

[ewq1938]

YOu are misreading the passage. the second death was defined one chapter earlier.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

People do not cease to exist, but exist for eternity in the lake of fire and brimstone. Why? Well if you believe the bible as written, in chapter 20 , death and the grave are cast into and destroyed in the lake of fire before people are thrown in, hence death is destroyed!

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

So the devil, false prophet and beast are dead but not anyone else thrown into the LOF?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

So the devil, false prophet and beast are dead but not anyone else thrown into the LOF?

YOu need to pay closer attention to the little words. If the unholy trinity were burned alive and destroyed in the LOF then God is certainly smart enough to use the word "were" instead of "are" in that passage. for they certainly were not there anymore.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Nope. You all use modern definitions. Have you given us the definition of immortality and the changes over time, to back up your claim?

Well seeing how you started this answer with a false accusation. Look it up your self.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Death is there with them in the LOF. If death stopped existing, then so would every soul. They are destroyed along with death, but if one is forever in the LOF so would the other.

Well if you are trying to write your own narrative, I can't argue against it. I am quoting Scripture;

Revelation 20:11-15

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11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

And you have it backwards. I flife stopped existing- then so would every soul.

Death and the grave are destroyed in teh lake of fire bewfore all souls are cast into it.

 

[The Light]

Coincidence #7


God's word declares the end from the beginning.

The Berisheet Prophecy

The Berisheet Prophecy points to the same year 2030 as the year of the Second Advent.

It also point to the year 2023 as the year of the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel.

The Church is raptured to heaven before God turns His attention to Israel.

Is the Berisheet Prophecy that declares the end from the beginning just another coincidence?

 

[Timtofly]

Well if you are trying to write your own narrative, I can't argue against it. I am quoting Scripture;

Revelation 20:11-15​

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King James Version​

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11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

And you have it backwards. I flife stopped existing- then so would every soul.

Death and the grave are destroyed in teh lake of fire bewfore all souls are cast into it.

You don't even pay attention to the verses you quote. Nothing is destroyed in the LOF. The humans and death and sheol are cast into the LOF at the same GWT judgment. I never gave an order, I just pointed out neither were destroyed, but in the LOF together.

I doubt you plan on being cast into the LOF. But even so, you would not stop existing. Neither would death and sheol.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You don't even pay attention to the verses you quote. Nothing is destroyed in the LOF. The humans and death and sheol are cast into the LOF at the same GWT judgment. I never gave an order, I just pointed out neither were destroyed, but in the LOF together.

I doubt you plan on being cast into the LOF. But even so, you would not stop existing. Neither would death and sheol.

Well I will not be cast in the LOF for Jesus has granted me eternal life.

Death and trhe grave are destroyed before all people are cast into the LOF. Jesus defeated death and this is where He eternally rids the universe of it.

 

[The Light]

And he shall confirm a covenant for one week............COINCIDENCE?

IISD/ENB | Kiara Worth

We Need 7 Years of Accelerated, Transformative Action to Achieve SDGs​

This article was first published by IISD SDG Knowledge Hub as part of a special guest article series, a collaboration between UN DESA and IISD.
13 June 2023 - Almost eight years have passed since the international community agreed to take bold and transformative steps to achieve the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development, a plan of action to secure the rights and well-being of everyone on a healthy, thriving planet. Today, at the halfway point to 2030, that promise is in peril and a fundamental shift is needed – in commitment, solidarity, financing, and action – to put the world on a better path. And it is needed now.
Promises in peril
The recently released ‘Report of the Secretary-General on Progress towards the Sustainable Development Goals’ draws on the latest data to sound the alarm for action. Of the roughly 140 targets with data, only about 12% are on track to be achieved by 2030; close to half, though showing progress, are moderately or severely off track; and some 30% have either seen no movement or regressed below the 2015 baseline.
Giving up on the SDGs or extending the deadline to meet them is not an option. The world has been rocked by a series of interlinked crises – the COVID-19 pandemic, conflict, the climate crisis, and a weak global economy. Recommitting to the 2030 Agenda is the best roadmap out of these crises, but we are fast running out of time to correct course.
Even before the events of the past three years, trust in public institutions had been declining for decades. Changes in the world of work, globalization, and technological breakthroughs – which raise aspirations, but also fears – left many people in a precarious position.
There is a narrowing window of opportunity over the next seven years to redouble our efforts to eliminate poverty and hunger, advance gender equality and overcome the triple planetary crisis. Failure to heed this call will fuel greater political instability and displacement, further erode trust in public institutions, upend economies, and lead to irreversible existential changes to our natural environment. Above all, it will cause immense suffering for current and future generations – especially among the world’s poorest and most vulnerable people and countries.
Making the SDG Summit a turning point
The SDG Summit, in September 2023, must signal a genuine turning point. It must mobilize the political commitment and breakthroughs our world desperately needs. It must deliver a rescue plan for people and planet.
At the center of this rescue plan, Heads of State and Government must recommit to seven years of accelerated, sustained, and transformative action, both nationally and internationally, to deliver on the promise of the SDGs. Leaders can show their resolve by adopting an ambitious and forward-looking political declaration at the SDG Summit and presenting global and national commitments for SDG transformation.
Delivering change at the speed and scale required to achieve the SDGs by 2030 will demand that political leaders make bold decisions to match their ambitions. It will require transferring resources from one sector to another, creating new regulatory environments, deploying new technologies, and mobilizing of a wide range of actors to advance disruptive change. Doing so can strengthen trust and social cohesion.
These efforts must be funneled toward securing dignity, opportunity, and rights for all while reorienting economies through green and digital transitions and towards resilient trajectories compatible with the 1.5°C goal of the Paris Agreement on climate change.
Just transitions are paramount with the need for universal social protection and decent job opportunities. These can be supported by initiatives like the UN Global Accelerator on Jobs and Social Protection for Just Transitions, which is mobilizing political efforts to channel funds from international, national, public, and private sources, including from the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund (IMF).
At the global level, a once-in-a-generation commitment is needed to overhaul the international financial and economic system so that it responds to today’s challenges, not those of the 1940s. It is essential that countries have the resources needed at scale to invest in both their immediate recovery and in long-term sustainable development outcomes, including climate action.
A surge in SDG financing is needed with an SDG stimulus of USD 500 billion per year, with simultaneous reforms of the international financial architecture to make it resilient, equitable, and accessible for all. It is also critical that developing countries have better access to global trade, science, technology, and innovation. Unprecedented collaboration among Group of 20 (G20) members will be needed to support developing countries to advance SDG and climate action.
It is not too late to turn things around. This generation is equipped with knowledge, technologies, and resources unprecedented in history. Breaking through to a better future for all demands that leaders put this advantage to use to lift hundreds of millions out of poverty, advance gender equality, put our world on a low-emissions pathway by 2030, and secure human rights for all.
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This article is the first in a five-part series by the UN Department of Economic and Social Affairs (DESA), published in partnership with IISD. Focusing on the SDG Progress Report special edition themed, ‘Towards a Rescue Plan for People and Planet,’ the series puts forth areas of collective action necessary to turn things around so we can deliver on the promise of the 2030 Agenda.

 

[David in NJ]

Coincidence #7


God's word declares the end from the beginning.

The Berisheet Prophecy

The Berisheet Prophecy points to the same year 2030 as the year of the Second Advent.

It also point to the year 2023 as the year of the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel.

The Church is raptured to heaven before God turns His attention to Israel.

Is the Berisheet Prophecy that declares the end from the beginning just another coincidence?

70th Week began when the Word became flesh and dwelt among us = READ the Gospel, Acts and Hebrews

Genesis declares that there is no 'pre-trib' rapture.

Genesis declares the LORD shut the Door on the Ark for all who were inside it.

Genesis and the Gospel declare that the LORD will once again shut the Door = Matthew ch 24 & ch25

 

[The Light]

70th Week began when the Word became flesh and dwelt among us = READ the Gospel, Acts and Hebrews

Genesis declares that there is no 'pre-trib' rapture.

Genesis declares the LORD shut the Door on the Ark for all who were inside it.

Genesis and the Gospel declare that the LORD will once again shut the Door = Matthew ch 24 & ch25

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You will find that out soon.

 

[David in NJ]

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You will find that out soon.

You have been reading too many 'left behind' books.

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.