Coincidences? Or Time to WATCH be READY for the Day and Hour Is Near

[Ronald Nolette]

What does it even mean to bring a perfect creation under subjection? Is subdue and subject the same thing? Christ reigns on a perfect earth for 1,000 years to bring it under subjection. How is that so very different from subduing the earth?

Because Jesus will not sin in His reign!

At what point do you think or realize that a Lord's Day is 1,000 years? Peter told you not to be ignorant. Genesis 2 and the Sabbath is a Lord's Day. They at the time of Moses did not need that spelled out for them that it was 1000 years. If you are waiting for God to spell it out to you, when He did not have to for the Israelites coming out of Egypt, then perhaps the Holy Spirit is not guiding you in that direction?

Sorry but Peter was using a metaphor. If you paid attention to the grammar God inspireed you would realize that instead of making it a doctrine when it is not!

And nothing in Genesis 2 designates 1,000 years anywhere.

 

[The Light]

There is some symbolic significance if it isn't just saying that God created time for man but operates outside our time

Garviria.Christian figured that the year 6000 was 2026, so the TWO WITNESSES will be showing up next month ON April 6.

I believe the Riders on the Four Horses in Rev. 6 left the barn already ... in other words, we are in it.

WWIII is ripe and ready to ignite and the world is so corrupt. Russia had a doomsday nuke that can create giant tsunamis that qill destroy all coastal cities along with hyper-sonic missiles (7k mph). Iran likely has nukes and will attack Israel si when we see rhat major war ( which may only last one hour), you'll know for sure we are in it.
And we are living in an upside down world, with so much division.
As Isaiah said, "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" (Isa. 5:20.)

Something is about to happen!

Yes, something is about to happen. However, the seals are not yet opened and the four horsemen of the Apocalypse are still in the barn.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Yes, something is about to happen. However, the seals are not yet opened and the four horsemen of the Apocalypse are still in the barn.

Well, some have perceived that this New World Order _ in control now_ who dictated lockdowns, masks, vaccines since Covid19 was released, was a socialist NWO exercise of power worldwide, preparing us for total submission to come, when the mark of the Beast is enforced.
The Rider on the First Horse has been interpreted by the majority of scholars to be the Antichrist. He is given a crown (corona virus), has a bow, and goes out to conquer.. That is what happenned, not completely, but all felt like we were being governed by a communist regime for a time
Everyone knows that Biden is not in charge , but a puppet. All nations meet at this WEF, and comply with their plan and agenda - specifically central control and havongball nations relinquish their sovereignty. This is why the Us economy is heading towards collapse, the borders are opened to 2 million per year. No border, no nation.
The Red Horse brings war. Now wars have been around since the beginning, rumors of wars ... nothing unusual. So the Russian/ Ukrainian war is just another one, right? Likely along with the pandemic, it's the "beginning of sorrows". The key end times war in Revelation, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Zecharia, etc involves many nations coming against Israel.
So if we see Iran allied with many other Islamic nations as well as Russia ( who has helped Iran with their nuclear program for decades and has a base in Syria as well), attack Israel with nuclear weapons, then we will see many missiles flying in the air and it will be over quickly. Simultaneously Russia may attack the US with their doomdays nuke that can create massive tsunamis that wipe out the entire east coast if the Us and west coast of Europe to keep us occupied and or setboff an EMP to turn the energy off - THEN YOU WILL KNOW THE HORSE IS OUT THE BARN. Crazy, sounds like a sci-fi movie concept; but the Great Tribulation is like nothing we've ever experienced.
The other two horses, famine and death ride alonside. Famine will certainly be a consequence, stores will be empty _ in one day _ riots _chaos. But the proof would certainly be when 25 %( two billion people) die from all this. And that only brings us halfway ... more devastation and wrath follows.

 

[Keturah]

We are told to be sober & vigilant in these last of days but of the hour Jesus returns knows NO MAN, NOT JESUS NOR EVEN THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN ...ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS!

 

[The Light]

Well, some have perceived that this New World Order _ in control now_ who dictated lockdowns, masks, vaccines since Covid19 was released, was a socialist NWO exercise of power worldwide, preparing us for total submission to come, when the mark of the Beast is enforced.

No argument there. Pretty much sums it up.

The Rider on the First Horse has been interpreted by the majority of scholars to be the Antichrist.

That would be correct.

He is given a crown (corona virus),

He is given the stephanos crown, the leaf crown of victory and symbol of the United Nations.

has a bow, and goes out to conquer..

He has a bow because he is considered the second coming of Apollo, who is Horus, who is Tammuz, the false Christ.

That is what happenned, not completely, but all felt like we were being governed by a communist regime for a time

Sure enough.

Everyone knows that Biden is not in charge , but a puppet.

What? He is a strong leader, and an honorable man,...not. Yeah, most know but there are still plenty who don't. I mean the guy got 80,000,000 votes from somewhere. I doubt more than 40,000,000 were fraud so that leaves 40,000,000 in the dark.

All nations meet at this WEF, and comply with their plan and agenda - specifically central control and havongball nations relinquish their sovereignty. This is why the Us economy is heading towards collapse, the borders are opened to 2 million per year. No border, no nation.

No doubt and well put.

The Red Horse brings war. Now wars have been around since the beginning, rumors of wars ... nothing unusual. So the Russian/ Ukrainian war is just another one, right?

It's not just another day in the park. And there are the kings of the east and the Euphrates has dried up, so I would say these are the beginnings of the wars and rumors of war.

Likely along with the pandemic, it's the "beginning of sorrows".

No it's just a taste of what is to come.
Luke 21
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

The key end times war in Revelation, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Zecharia, etc involves many nations coming against Israel.
So if we see Iran allied with many other Islamic nations as well as Russia ( who has helped Iran with their nuclear program for decades and has a base in Syria as well), attack Israel with nuclear weapons, then we will see many missiles flying in the air and it will be over quickly. Simultaneously Russia may attack the US with their doomdays nuke that can create massive tsunamis that wipe out the entire east coast if the Us and west coast of Europe to keep us occupied and or setboff an EMP to turn the energy off - THEN YOU WILL KNOW THE HORSE IS OUT THE BARN.

I don't expect to be here when the great tribulation happens.

Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Crazy, sounds like a sci-fi movie concept; but the Great Tribulation is like nothing we've ever experienced.

And won't experience if we are watching and ready.

The other two horses, famine and death ride alonside. Famine will certainly be a consequence, stores will be empty _ in one day _ riots _chaos. But the proof would certainly be when 25 %( two billion people) die from all this. And that only brings us halfway ... more devastation and wrath follows.

The 4 horsemen will not be released until the covenant is confirmed. All the things that you say are happening are correct except that the seals are opened. We see the beginning but the covenant must be confirmed for the seals to be opened and the Church will be in heaven before that happens.

 

[Timtofly]

Gen 2:17 - "you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”

#1 - God said that Adam would die the very same day he ate the forbidden fruit.
Adam, in fact did not physically die on the day he ate the forbidden fruit.
Adam, in fact, lived for another 339,450 days = 930 years.

#2 - God does not lie - Gen 3:7-8
And the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; so they sewed together fig leaves and made coverings for themselves.
Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.

Adam, in fact died the very same day = in his soul/spirit and not in his physical body.

#3 - God's Desire for man was for Adam to walk sinless with HIM for 1,000 Years. After which Adam's physical body would be Transformed into a Eternal Glorified Body. This Desire was interrupted by SIN - which God knew would happen and therefore had the Eternal Plan of Redemption for man already in PLACE = Revelation 13:8 "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

You are saying 'NO' to God and His Word of TRUTH = typical on here

"Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

"For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first."

"but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets."

“At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,"

There is no greater MYSTERY then the Resurrection of the Dead being Transformed into Eternal Glorious Bodies in HIS IMAGE......

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

The body that Adam had did indeed die and was replaced with a body of death.

Death is not just the mortal body being dissolved. Death is living in a dead body. Mortal means death.

Adam only retained his soul. He died to both his physical body and his spirit. Both physically and spiritually.

You do not seem to understand that physical death is the cessation of being a son of God in God's image. You are in Adam's dead image, not God's permanent living image.

"This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:"

Can you not see the contrast here between God's permanent incorruptible physical body and Adam's dead corruptible physical body?

The first image was a living body. The second image a dead body.

All you are pointing out is the end of the dead body, not the end of God's permanent incorruptible physical body when Adam disobeyed God. A dead body is appointed unto death and judgment. A permanent body can never die, as long as the soul never disobeys God and God does not take it away.

Why is it a mystery to you that Adam had a different body prior to sin, when we are promised that same body when changed out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh? Obviously no one seems to understand the difference between incorruptible and corruptible. There is a difference though, and that is why the other body is a mystery. It is not that the other body is not physical.

 

[Timtofly]

Because Jesus will not sin in His reign!

Sorry but Peter was using a metaphor. If you paid attention to the grammar God inspireed you would realize that instead of making it a doctrine when it is not!

And nothing in Genesis 2 designates 1,000 years anywhere.

You deny the Day of the Lord is a thousand years. Most people do.

Peter told you all not to be ignorant. You all don't listen to Peter, but remain in symbolic interpretations of your own making.

I am not making it a doctrine. It was already pointed out to you all by God in Genesis 2.

If people have not figured it out after 6,000 years, it will never be figured out by Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

 

[David in NJ]

The body that Adam had did indeed die and was replaced with a body of death.

Death is not just the mortal body being dissolved. Death is living in a dead body. Mortal means death.

Adam only retained his soul. He died to both his physical body and his spirit. Both physically and spiritually.

You do not seem to understand that physical death is the cessation of being a son of God in God's image. You are in Adam's dead image, not God's permanent living image.

"This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:"

Can you not see the contrast here between God's permanent incorruptible physical body and Adam's dead corruptible physical body?

The first image was a living body. The second image a dead body.

All you are pointing out is the end of the dead body, not the end of God's permanent incorruptible physical body when Adam disobeyed God. A dead body is appointed unto death and judgment. A permanent body can never die, as long as the soul never disobeys God and God does not take it away.

Why is it a mystery to you that Adam had a different body prior to sin, when we are promised that same body when changed out of Adam's dead corruptible flesh? Obviously no one seems to understand the difference between incorruptible and corruptible. There is a difference though, and that is why the other body is a mystery. It is not that the other body is not physical.

You said:
"The body that Adam had did indeed die and was replaced with a body of death."

"Death is not just the mortal body being dissolved. Death is living in a dead body"

What you said above is not scripturally accurate.

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#1 - What God says is Truth = Always = "In the day(24hr day) you eat thereof you will die" = Adam died in his spirit/soul = SIN
For since by man came death/For as in Adam all die/for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God/Sin is death

#2 - Sin has ruled over all Creation = Romans 8:22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time.

#3 - We, who belong to Christ are ALIVE in HIM while we are in this physical body that is subject only to physical death

John 3:7-8 - Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Ephesians 2:1-5 "And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins"
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses,
made us alive together with Christ = while we remain in a physical body that is dying

 

[David in NJ]

Luke 21:25-28
And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”

pre-fibbers cling to this in order to justify what God never said = 'pre-trib' rapture

Don't be a fibber! - Instead = be a Truth Seeker and Truth Speaker = speak Truth

Luke 21:28 JESUS says: "your redemption draws near" = it has not arrived but it is On the Way Down = Look UP!

Same Gospel and Same LORD Jesus says: "Immediately after the tribulation"

Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Luke ch21 tells us when we are close/drawing near to His Coming and Matt ch24 tells us when it will precisely take place

The OT Prophets, the LORD/Gospel, the Apostles and Revelation all agree = after the Tribulation is Resurrection & Rapture

Anyone who says to you that a pre-trib rapture will take place before His Second Coming is in ignorance of Truth on His Second Coming.

Just ask them to prove where a single Prophet/Prophecy, JESUS or an Apostle said "we will be pre-trib raptured before His Coming"

Do not be deceived my Brethren for many false prophets and teachers have gone out into the world.
They vastly outnumber the true prophets/preachers by the thousands if not millions = for they always have.

Remember Elijah???

 

[Timtofly]

You said:
"The body that Adam had did indeed die and was replaced with a body of death."

"Death is not just the mortal body being dissolved. Death is living in a dead body"

What you said above is not scripturally accurate.

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#1 - What God says is Truth = Always = "In the day(24hr day) you eat thereof you will die" = Adam died in his spirit/soul = SIN
For since by man came death/For as in Adam all die/for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God/Sin is death

#2 - Sin has ruled over all Creation = Romans 8:22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until the present time.

#3 - We, who belong to Christ are ALIVE in HIM while we are in this physical body that is subject only to physical death

John 3:7-8 - Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Ephesians 2:1-5 "And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins"
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses,
made us alive together with Christ = while we remain in a physical body that is dying

We will always have a physical body.

Just not the dead one Adam's soul entered when Adam physically died the instant he disobeyed God.

Adam's soul was changed from the body that died and placed in a temporal corruptible physical body of death.

He surely did die, both physically and spiritually.

 

[David in NJ]

We will always have a physical body.

Just not the dead one Adam's soul entered when Adam physically died the instant he disobeyed God.

Adam's soul was changed from the body that died and placed in a temporal corruptible physical body of death.

He surely did die, both physically and spiritually.

Dear Timtofly,

Always believe God at his word and never add to it or take away from it.

We will not always have a physical body = 1 Corinthians 15:50

"I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable."

The LORD Jesus is Coming Again and HE is the Coming Resurrection unto Eternal Life = 1 Corinthians 15:51-55

Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
For the perishable(physical body) must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal(physical body) with immortality.

When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come to pass: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

“Where, O Death, is your victory?

Where, O Death, is your sting?”

PEACE

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You deny the Day of the Lord is a thousand years. Most people do.

Peter told you all not to be ignorant. You all don't listen to Peter, but remain in symbolic interpretations of your own making.

I am not making it a doctrine. It was already pointed out to you all by God in Genesis 2.

If people have not figured it out after 6,000 years, it will never be figured out by Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

Well I giess teh 99.999% of believers who take god at His Word and not according to your reinterpretation we are not going to figure out your mystic revelation.

BTW you have yet to show 1,000 years in Genesis 2. YOu posted teh chapter but never showed where in Gen. 2 1,000 years is even implied!

 

[Timtofly]

Dear Timtofly,

Always believe God at his word and never add to it or take away from it.

We will not always have a physical body = 1 Corinthians 15:50

"I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable."

The LORD Jesus is Coming Again and HE is the Coming Resurrection unto Eternal Life = 1 Corinthians 15:51-55

Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
For the perishable(physical body) must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal(physical body) with immortality.

When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come to pass: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”

“Where, O Death, is your victory?

Where, O Death, is your sting?”

PEACE

I am not.

You are.

Two different physical bodies. One perishable. One imperishable. One of corruption. One of incorruption.

A body is always physical, but not always from Adam's sin and dead flesh. Dead flesh cannot enter Paradise. God's permanent incorruptible physical body is waiting for you in Paradise. Still a body that the soul puts on.

 

[Timtofly]

Well I giess teh 99.999% of believers who take god at His Word and not according to your reinterpretation we are not going to figure out your mystic revelation.

BTW you have yet to show 1,000 years in Genesis 2. YOu posted teh chapter but never showed where in Gen. 2 1,000 years is even implied!

The Day of the Lord. The Day of the Lord is always 1,000 years. There have been 7 since Genesis 1:1.

 

[David in NJ]

I am not.

You are.

Two different physical bodies. One perishable. One imperishable. One of corruption. One of incorruption.

A body is always physical, but not always from Adam's sin and dead flesh. Dead flesh cannot enter Paradise. God's permanent incorruptible physical body is waiting for you in Paradise. Still a body that the soul puts on.

Read and pray and read again 1 Corinthians chapter 15

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Day of the Lord. The Day of the Lord is always 1,000 years. There have been 7 since Genesis 1:1.

Not at all! that is your conjecture and without biblical authority, just taking a metaphor and forcing it to be doctrine.

 

[Timtofly]

Not at all! that is your conjecture and without biblical authority, just taking a metaphor and forcing it to be doctrine.

You have more alleged doctrine forced into Scripture than I do. Peter states a Day with the Lord is 1,000 years. That is Peter's doctrine, not mine.

Your doctrine is to just declare God's Word a metaphor.

The age of the earth is clearly found in Scripture. No guess work there, just study God's Word.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You have more alleged doctrine forced into Scripture than I do. Peter states a Day with the Lord is 1,000 years. That is Peter's doctrine, not mine.

Your doctrine is to just declare God's Word a metaphor.

The age of the earth is clearly found in Scripture. No guess work there, just study God's Word.

You are a very sloppy reader and do not pay attention to little words that can redefine a whole passage.

Perter did not say a day with the Lord is 1,000 years. If he did we would have never had this conversation!

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

You ignore context and words that change your false hypotheses.

Peter was COMPARING a day with a thousand years and a thousand years as a day! He did not say they are 1000 years

 

[Always Believing]

Hosea 6
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

2 Peter 3
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Coincidence #1
One day is as a thousand years with the Lord and a thousand years is as a day. If Jesus died in AD 30 and we added two thousand years to that, he could come in the year 2030. The pretribulation rapture will happen at least 7 years before the second advent. Could Jesus come in the year 2023? Is the day and the hour of His coming for His bride at hand?

Faulty reasoning base upon faulty interpretation of prophecy.

Since most of the last great tribulation on earth, will be by man upon the saints, with God's tribulation of plagues upon the earth at the very last, the I would make it about 2029.

Jesus doesn't return until after the great tribulation upon the saints by the last great antichrist.

 

[Timtofly]

You are a very sloppy reader and do not pay attention to little words that can redefine a whole passage.

Perter did not say a day with the Lord is 1,000 years. If he did we would have never had this conversation!

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

You ignore context and words that change your false hypotheses.

Peter was COMPARING a day with a thousand years and a thousand years as a day! He did not say they are 1000 years

The Day of the Lord is a symbolic phrase. The number 1,000 is a literal number. Peter is comparing the symbolism to the literal meaning.

The time of Adam's punishment has been put into 3 2,000 year segments. You may not accept that, but that is the Biblical framework of time. We know that the reign of Christ is 1,000 years in Revelation 20. We know that that period has been called the Day of the Lord as the symbolic reference.

Peter is saying that the Day of the Lord will come with a fiery destruction.

The final 1,000 years will be separated from this present time by a very climatic event that will encounter a different heaven and earth than the one we are used to. The burden of sin on creation will be lifted. It is not that 24 hours is coming. It is that the Day of the Lord will totally change the way humans live and operate on the earth. It will be a bigger change than just the Cross and bringing a spiritual birth to humanity. It will literally be a Sabbath of rest from the toils of the last 6 Days / 6,000 years.