Coincidences? Or Time to WATCH be READY for the Day and Hour Is Near

[ewq1938]

Okay I'll pretend that when the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord Jesus has not returned. Okay now back to reality.

I never said he hadn't returned. The kingdoms are his immediately, but his own kingdom isn't established until he destroys the armies that await him at Armageddon. The reign starts when the kingdom does and that isn't until satan is imprisoned.

Is the angel sounding the trumpet when it begins to sound? Or just preparing to sound.

If there is trumpet sound, the trumpet has been played.

The great tribulation is over at the sixth seal before the wrath of God begins............which is the 1st trumpet after the 7th seal is opened.

Read that back to yourself and you will see it's all confusion. The GT is hundreds of years in the future after the seals have been opened. No GT, no wrath anywhere near the opening of the seals.

Rev 6
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Prophecy just like when Jesus spoke of the same things in the gospels.

You are still avoiding the biblical fact that God's wrath comes at the 7th trump in Rev 11. That proves your whole house of cards to be false. You need to start over and build according to what the bible says about when God's wrath comes or you will forever be stuck in this imaginary version of events.

 

[Ziggy]

Psa 24:9
Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.

gates and doors...
Lift up your heads..

Psa 121:1
[[A Song of degrees.]] I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.
Psa 134:2
Lift up your hands in the sanctuary, and bless the LORD.

Rev 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

thinking...
hugs

 

[Timtofly]

The mystery of God is the Second Coming of Christ and the Resurrection of the Just = Daniel 12:1-3, 1 Cor 15:51-52

No.

The mystery of the prophets is the end of the 70th week. No one to this day has seen the 70 weeks completed. The time no more is the time given in the 70 weeks.

The other time that is up is Adam's 6,000 years of punishment. So yes, the mystery of God is the length of Adam's sin, 6,000 years, and the promise of the 70 weeks to remove Adam's sin. It is still a mystery to many who have Revelation all wrong.

 

[David in NJ]

No.

The mystery of the prophets is the end of the 70th week. No one to this day has seen the 70 weeks completed. The time no more is the time given in the 70 weeks.

The other time that is up is Adam's 6,000 years of punishment. So yes, the mystery of God is the length of Adam's sin, 6,000 years, and the promise of the 70 weeks to remove Adam's sin. It is still a mystery to many who have Revelation all wrong.

Another person saying "No" to God's words..............it never ends.

Why not just believe what God said? Revelation 10:1-7 , 1 Cor ch15 , 1 Thess 4:13-18 , Daniel 12:1-3, Matthew 24:29-31 , 1 John 3:1-3

"The angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised up his hand to heaven and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer, but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets."

Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him. Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.
And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure.

 

[Timtofly]

There is nothing to even hint in Gen. 2 that a Lords Day is 1,000 years. I am glad you realize jesus reigns on earth for 1000 years

At what point do you think or realize that a Lord's Day is 1,000 years? Peter told you not to be ignorant. Genesis 2 and the Sabbath is a Lord's Day. They at the time of Moses did not need that spelled out for them that it was 1000 years. If you are waiting for God to spell it out to you, when He did not have to for the Israelites coming out of Egypt, then perhaps the Holy Spirit is not guiding you in that direction?

How many generations can enjoy the earth in 24 hours? How many generations can enjoy the earth in 1,000 years? Why is the Day of the Lord even important to God?

"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."

What does it even mean to bring a perfect creation under subjection? Is subdue and subject the same thing? Christ reigns on a perfect earth for 1,000 years to bring it under subjection. How is that so very different from subduing the earth?

Amil ask where all those billions come from at the end. God said be fruitful and multiply, replenish, and subdue the earth. Is God the same yesterday, today, and forever. Has God changed how things are done on the earth?

A Lord's Day is certainly not 2,000 years. It is not 500 years. I will let you do the math. The hint is that is was a Lord's Day.

 

[Timtofly]

But God's Word says:
1. Jesus returns to gather His Church on the 'last day' of this world, AFTER... the tribulation. And His feet touch down upon the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, with bringing all His elect with Him there, and begins His "thousand years" reign of Rev.20.

That is not what Scripture states. His feet touching down on the mount of Olives is not the last day. That is your words.

Zechariah 14:2-4.

"For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."

It does not say on the last day.

Jerusalem is not Megiddo. Megiddo is not Jerusalem. Jerusalem happens at the 6th Seal, before a single Trumpet has sounded. Megiddo happens after Satan 42 months, after the 7th Trumpet had already began sounding. There is at least 42 months between Zechariah 14 and Revelation 19.

There may not be a Revelation 19 at all. Satan may not even get 42 months. But Zechariah 14 is not after the AoD. It is before the 7 Trumpets of judgment even sound. The Trumpets sounding in judgment is not the same as the Trumpet of the Second Coming. There is no Trumpet mentioned at all in Revelation 19.

 

[Timtofly]

The end of the age occurs at the 6th seal. There is a gathering from heaven and earth and then all return to heaven for the marriage supper. That is why you see the armies of heaven return with the Lord in Rev 19 after the marriage supper.

How can there be a marriage or even supper during the Tribulation and AoD? The bride is still waiting until all things on earth is resolved:

"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

Bride: a woman on her wedding day or just before and after the event.

"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

The wedding is on the first day of the NHNE.

There is no wedding in this current creation.

The wedding/marriage supper will take place on the Day of the Lord. But the wedding itself is in the NHNE.

Jesus is on earth ruling for 1,000 years, while the bride is waiting in Paradise until creation is handed back to God.

Revelation 19 is the final roll call for the supper. It cannot be after the supper.

 

[Timtofly]

The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. Jesus returns for a harvest. THEN the wrath of God BEGINS. The wrath of God is the trumpets or the vials as they are parallel.

So the 4th Seal is the great tribulation? Then the first 6 Trumpets must be the insignificant tribulation?

 

[Timtofly]

Genesis 5:1-5
"This is the book of the genealogy of Adam. In the day that God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. He created them male and female, and blessed them and called them Mankind in the day they were created. And Adam lived one hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth. After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters.
So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and(then) he died.

So we see Adam lived 930 Years and did not physically die until then.

Therefore we must asses, weigh and determine the following:

a.) Did God lie? for HE said "in the day you eat thereof you will die"
b.) Did something else die, inside Adam's physical body, whereby he continued to live for 930 actual years: 365 x 930 = 339,450 days (approx).

Adam went from God's permanent incorruptible physical body to a temporal corruptible physical body. That was a physical death. To be redeemed one will leave Adam's mortal flesh for God's permanent incorruptible physical body.

So yes, Adam physically died and God did not lie. Human theology lies and human understanding makes stuff up to please this dead/mortal mind.

So, if you argue from human reasoning on this, seems to be your point on all verses of Scripture you provide.

The rapture and Second Coming happen at the 5th and 6th Seals.

No human "ifs" or "buts" will change God's Word.

At the time of the Flood God shortened mortal life from many hundreds of years to only 120 years. Later David was happy for 70 or 80. By the first century life expectancy was 35 years. Now we have today many living over 100.

God does not promise any mortal a certain fixed number of days nor years.

 

[Timtofly]

Anyone teaching a Pre-trib rapture is going directly against the teaching of Jesus in the above verse.

First of all the tribulation is for Jacob not the church, and certainly not for Israel. Those 144k Israelites were sealed to be protected, not to "endure on their own strength until the end".

You are saying those 144k have to do it all themselves, no? Go through tribulation to prove they are worthy of being sealed?

The GT is the final harvest. Jesus and the angels are here on earth gathering all of Israel and separate them into sheep and goats. Should the goats endure to escape being a goat? Obviously the goats did something wrong to end up in the LOF.

The church leaves earth as Jesus is descending to the Mount of Olives in the 6th Seal. The church is the primary harvest. Then the sheep during the Trumpets. Then the wheat during the Thunders. There are three harvest, the Seals, the Trumpets, and the Thunders, and they don't run in parallel at the same time.

Jesus is physically going to sow the seeds of the wheat and tare harvest during the Trumpets. Satan will be working to sow the tares. Matthew 13 covers the Thunders. Matthew 25 covers the Trumpets.

Jesus has to come to be physically present on earth. Nothing about remote harvesting from heaven in those chapters.

Then at the 7th Trumpet, it will be decided if there will be 42 months of AoD, for the gleanings, those beheaded instead of receiving the mark. The vials are poured out after the 42 months in the 3.5 days the 2 individual witnesses lay dead on the street in Jerusalem.

I am not sure why any one thinks there will be a harvest in Revelation 19. No one is left on earth except those with the mark and they are all killed. No one is left to harvest at that point. All those firstfruits from all nations to live on earth in the Millennium were all harvested before the 7th Trumpet even sounded. They were the wheat, along with the sheep representing Israel.

 

[Timtofly]

The 70th week is about the people of Daniel. Part of Israel cannot see until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. What's the confusion?

The confusion is that the Trumpets do not run in parallel with the vials. You have 7 Thunders between the 6th and 7th Trumpet. Not 7 vials. The vials are only for those with the mark after the 42 months mentioned in Revelation 13 are over.

Satan is not released until the 1,000 years are over. When time is mentioned in Revelation, it has to be completed before the next step. Revelation is not in parallel, because that would violate the point each time John uses, "and after this".

And after these things. Revelation 7:1

After this. Revelation 7:14

And after that. Revelation 15:5

And after these things. Revelation 18:1

And after these things. Revelation 19:1

And there is no full 70th week. Jesus was cut off in the midst of the 70th week. Jesus was not cut off, and then the 70th week would begin in the future.

Since the 70 weeks are for Jacob, you have to see why they are cut off. Not for Himself nor Jacob. They were cut off for the fulness of the Gentiles. The GT is the last half of Jacob's 70th week. And not even a full half.

"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

What does it mean for the elect's sake?

Is not the fulness of the Gentiles equal to the elect's sake? Jacob is supposed to have trouble, not the elect. The fulness of the Gentiles will continue into the time of Jacob's trouble, causing Jacob's trouble to be shorter in length. Not that the church will be part of Jacob's trouble. Jacob's trouble cannot start until Jesus and the angels are on the ground, to open the 7th Seal. The 144k cannot even be sealed until after these things, the first 6 Seals are opened.

The rapture is not the only event pre-trib/Jacob's trouble. The Second Coming brings a close to the fulness of the Gentiles. There is no NT church gathered after the 6th Seal. People like to call the NT church those saints between Pentecost and the Second Coming, but then they get the Second Coming wrong. The Second Coming is the end of the NT church, but only the start of Jacob's trouble. They don't overlap each other.

The time from the baptism of Jesus until Pentecost is not an overlap of the OT and the NT, especially if you are one who takes Pentecost as the start. Why would you mix in the church with Jacob's trouble, if Jacob's trouble is not for the church, and the church never makes a distinction between Jew and Gentile. It is not the church's trouble, it is Jacob's trouble.

But to say there are multiple Second Comings each with their own view of the ends times, is also wrong. Jesus did not come multiple times in the first century. Each time being a different perspective. If you have Jesus coming and going you need to point out where He leaves so He can return. There was only one birth that brought Jesus to earth the first time, so once the Second Coming happens, Jesus does not leave, unless there is a reason to leave.

 

[Timtofly]

Another person saying "No" to God's words..............it never ends.

Why not just believe what God said? Revelation 10:1-7 , 1 Cor ch15 , 1 Thess 4:13-18 , Daniel 12:1-3, Matthew 24:29-31 , 1 John 3:1-3

"The angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land raised up his hand to heaven and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things that are in it, the earth and the things that are in it, and the sea and the things that are in it, that there should be delay no longer, but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets."

Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
For the perishable must be clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are! The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know Him. Beloved, we are now children of God, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that when Christ appears, we will be like Him, for we will see Him as He is.
And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as Christ is pure.

Was Paul a Prophet with a time line?

Was Daniel a prophet with a timeline?

Was Moses a prophet with a timeline?

The mystery is a timeline that ends:

"And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:"

"the mystery of God should be finished"

Obviously these timeliness are still a mystery to many posters.

Paul only gave us the results of these timelines ending.

You have the timelines ending at the wrong time. You have the Second Coming at the wrong time. I am saying no to your interpretation, that you are hinting at.

The Second Coming will bring an end to this mystery you fail to portray in your posts.

 

[David in NJ]

Adam went from God's permanent incorruptible physical body to a temporal corruptible physical body. That was a physical death. To be redeemed one will leave Adam's mortal flesh for God's permanent incorruptible physical body.

So yes, Adam physically died and God did not lie. Human theology lies and human understanding makes stuff up to please this dead/mortal mind.

So, if you argue from human reasoning on this, seems to be your point on all verses of Scripture you provide.

The rapture and Second Coming happen at the 5th and 6th Seals.

No human "ifs" or "buts" will change God's Word.

At the time of the Flood God shortened mortal life from many hundreds of years to only 120 years. Later David was happy for 70 or 80. By the first century life expectancy was 35 years. Now we have today many living over 100.

God does not promise any mortal a certain fixed number of days nor years.

Gen 2:17 - "you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”

#1 - God said that Adam would die the very same day he ate the forbidden fruit.
Adam, in fact did not physically die on the day he ate the forbidden fruit.
Adam, in fact, lived for another 339,450 days = 930 years.

#2 - God does not lie - Gen 3:7-8
And the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; so they sewed together fig leaves and made coverings for themselves.
Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.

Adam, in fact died the very same day = in his soul/spirit and not in his physical body.

#3 - God's Desire for man was for Adam to walk sinless with HIM for 1,000 Years. After which Adam's physical body would be Transformed into a Eternal Glorified Body. This Desire was interrupted by SIN - which God knew would happen and therefore had the Eternal Plan of Redemption for man already in PLACE = Revelation 13:8 "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

Was Paul a Prophet with a time line?

Was Daniel a prophet with a timeline?

Was Moses a prophet with a timeline?

The mystery is a timeline that ends:

"And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:"

"the mystery of God should be finished"

Obviously these timeliness are still a mystery to many posters.

Paul only gave us the results of these timelines ending.

You have the timelines ending at the wrong time. You have the Second Coming at the wrong time. I am saying no to your interpretation, that you are hinting at.

The Second Coming will bring an end to this mystery you fail to portray in your posts.

You are saying 'NO' to God and His Word of TRUTH = typical on here

"Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

"For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.
And the dead in Christ will rise first."

"but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets."

“At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.
And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
Some to everlasting life,"

There is no greater MYSTERY then the Resurrection of the Dead being Transformed into Eternal Glorious Bodies in HIS IMAGE......

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

 

[rwb]

Gen 2:17 - "you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”

#1 - God said that Adam would die the very same day he ate the forbidden fruit.
Adam, in fact did not physically die on the day he ate the forbidden fruit.
Adam, in fact, lived for another 339,450 days = 930 years.

#2 - God does not lie - Gen 3:7-8
And the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; so they sewed together fig leaves and made coverings for themselves.
Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.

Adam, in fact died the very same day = in his soul/spirit and not in his physical body.

#3 - God's Desire for man was for Adam to walk sinless with HIM for 1,000 Years. After which Adam's physical body would be Transformed into a Eternal Glorified Body. This Desire was interrupted by SIN - which God knew would happen and therefore had the Eternal Plan of Redemption for man already in PLACE = Revelation 13:8 "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

I somewhat agree. However, I wonder why you would believe that God desired His perfect human, created in His own likeness and image to walk with Him in sinless perfection for only 1,000 years? I don't see the logic behind that opinion, nor do I find verification of it in Scripture. In the beginning God gave man access to the tree of life. If they had not chosen to disobey God, they could have continued to partake of the tree of life and live and walk with God forever in sinless perfection.

 

[David in NJ]

I somewhat agree. However, I wonder why you would believe that God desired His perfect human, created in His own likeness and image to walk with Him in sinless perfection for only 1,000 years? I don't see the logic behind that opinion, nor do I find verification of it in Scripture. In the beginning God gave man access to the tree of life. If they had not chosen to disobey God, they could have continued to partake of the tree of life and live and walk with God forever in sinless perfection.

Today is a New Day for us to walk in HIM - Together = Amen

This is a brief overview - Genesis to Revelation - God's Desire

 

[David in NJ]

I somewhat agree. However, I wonder why you would believe that God desired His perfect human, created in His own likeness and image to walk with Him in sinless perfection for only 1,000 years? I don't see the logic behind that opinion, nor do I find verification of it in Scripture. In the beginning God gave man access to the tree of life. If they had not chosen to disobey God, they could have continued to partake of the tree of life and live and walk with God forever in sinless perfection.

If you would ask this same question on Genesis to Revelation - God's Desire
I would be glad to answer it there - Thank You

 

[rwb]

Today is a New Day for us to walk in HIM - Together = Amen

This is a brief overview - Genesis to Revelation - God's Desire

John writes in the passage below from Rev 20 of faithful saints who lived (past tense) and reigned (past tense) with Christ in this time he writes as a thousand years. Why do you believe it is God's future desire for man to walk with Him in perfection for 1,000 years since John, writing in the first century AD, says there are faithful, martyred saints who have already lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years? Can you explain why God would desire that which in Christ has already come to pass?

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
This is the First Resurrection - Blessed is he who has part in the First Resurrection, on such the Second Death has no power.

 

[rwb]

If you would ask this same question on Genesis to Revelation - God's Desire
I would be glad to answer it there - Thank You

I believe this particular subject is better suited to this forum, and more of our brothers and sisters having better understanding of eschatology will be able to add to it here.

 

[David in NJ]

I believe this particular subject is better suited to this forum, and more of our brothers and sisters having better understanding of eschatology will be able to add to it here.

LOL - this was a good one

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Hosea 6
2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

2 Peter 3
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Coincidence #1
One day is as a thousand years with the Lord and a thousand years is as a day. If Jesus died in AD 30 and we added two thousand years to that, he could come in the year 2030. The pretribulation rapture will happen at least 7 years before the second advent. Could Jesus come in the year 2023? Is the day and the hour of His coming for His bride at hand?

There is some symbolic significance if it isn't just saying that God created time for man but operates outside our time

Garviria.Christian figured that the year 6000 was 2026, so the TWO WITNESSES will be showing up next month ON April 6.

I believe the Riders on the Four Horses in Rev. 6 left the barn already ... in other words, we are in it.

WWIII is ripe and ready to ignite and the world is so corrupt. Russia had a doomsday nuke that can create giant tsunamis that qill destroy all coastal cities along with hyper-sonic missiles (7k mph). Iran likely has nukes and will attack Israel si when we see rhat major war ( which may only last one hour), you'll know for sure we are in it.
And we are living in an upside down world, with so much division.
As Isaiah said, "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" (Isa. 5:20.)

Something is about to happen!