justbyfaith
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And i doubt Abba is immune to a little um reverse psychology,
Since He is Omniscient I think He would be able to see through any such duplicity.
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And i doubt Abba is immune to a little um reverse psychology,
The nature of the everlasting punishment is that there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. The duration of it is that it will be everlasting.
If you do not isolate the verses but take them together, you would see that all three of them are speaking of the same thing.
To hold that everlasting wailing and gnashing of teeth is not what the afterlife is all about for the sinner who rejects Christ's forgiveness, to me, frankly, is wishful thinking. You can try to manipulate the scriptures so that they don't say what they actually say; but when you do this it says something about you: it means that you believe that you yourself are going to enter into a Christ-less eternity, and it somehow comforts you to think that the punishment is not as severe as what the scripture actually teaches it will be.
But I would say to you, why not simply receive Christ as your Lord and Saviour, instead of twisting the scriptures so that you can feel a little bit better about where you are going?
The wording you use rings no particulars bells, but I did search and came up with these which seem to relate to the idea:A, what is the verse that says "we don't write the way you read?" Bc reading...that is not going to work for him right now I guess.
The v maybe has the word language in it, not sure. Wanna say in Corinthians somewhere maybe
My wife has tried several different over the counter products which usually work for her, but not for me. Actually when I sleep, I sleep well using a bipap machine, but that is not my present problem. My problem is waking up after 3 or 5 or 7 hours of sleep and really needing more rest. Once I am wide awake I simply get up and read/study my Bible and talk to God... or work on my stamp collection, or sometimes I may even get on a forum like this one... until I feel my eyelids getting heavy again. So long as I have nothing on the schedule first thing in the morning this works fine, but there are too often reasons I need get up and get going before this old lump of flesh is really ready to do so.ah, sorry about that. I usually sleep pretty good, but i'm on walkabout and made a major move, so some adjustment period is normal I guess.
Rhode Island is not an island, who knew? Softest muni water I ever felt though, man, ima go take a shower right now! lol. I just got some goat soap too; feels like ten virgins giving a massage
are you exhausting yourself at least once twice a day? It even sounds...cleansing, huh? Exhaust
fwiw swimming and yoga, senior yoga (youtube) might serve you. See how long you can dog paddle in a pool without stopping lol, pretty sure you'll be wanting a little lie-down right after
you aren't supping melatonin, are you?
I want to believe in Annihilationism
ha ya been there. Ppl have actually figured out how to turn pools into like ponds that you can still swim in, no chemicals etc i guess? I've never seen one irl yet tho, but the reviews are goodMy wife has tried several different over the counter products which usually work for her, but not for me. Actually when I sleep, I sleep well using a bipap machine, but that is not my present problem. My problem is waking up after 3 or 5 or 7 hours of sleep and really needing more rest. Once I am wide awake I simply get up and read/study my Bible and talk to God... or work on my stamp collection, or sometimes I may even get on a forum like this one... until I feel my eyelids getting heavy again. So long as I have nothing on the schedule first thing in the morning this works fine, but there are too often reasons I need get up and get going before this old lump of flesh is really ready to do so.
As to the pool, several few years ago when we still had our own home we actually had a swimming pool in the back yard. My grandchildren loved it until they got tired of it. I couldn't afford to pay to have some take care of the cleaning and chemical balances, etc. for me so it was my job. After a few years of taking caring of that pool 7 days a week I was ready to have it filled in with a few truckloads of dirt. Never again!
Too little too late... not to mention the critters that would get into my pool which always had the high extra chemical content to keep it looking nice as well as swimmable and should have made it repugnant to them.ha ya been there. Ppl have actually figured out how to turn pools into like ponds that you can still swim in, no chemicals etc i guess? I've never seen one irl yet tho, but the reviews are good
jbf, you are wadr demonstrating In Living Color ezackly what our problem is in reading Scripture now, wadr.Since He is Omniscient I think He would be able to see through any such duplicity.
it's patently easy to reveal literalism as hypocrisy; to everyone else but the literalist
so you sayThere is the example of King Saul and the medium of Endor, and Samuel, who came from the place of the dead and spoke with Saul, prophesying the outcome of the battle.
This is very plain Scripture.
very plain Scripture, marksyet you do not buy "you and your sons will be here with me"
hmm
like you'll touch that with a ten foot pole i guess huhmarks said:...nothing
do your apologies end up sounding like "i'm sorry you don't understand," too, marks?Perhaps you have addressed your POV of this passage elsewhere, I don't know.
(speaking as a man) I'm feeling cognitively dissonant.
I want to believe in Annihilationism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilationism. I want to believe scriptures such as Psalms 37:10 Psalms 37:20 Psalms 37:36 refer to the eternal state of sinful man rather than speaking only about life here on earth.
Just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more; and you will certainly give attention to his place, and he will not be.” (Psalm 37:10) How those words encourage us as we approach the end of this system and the culmination of disastrous independence from Jehovah! Whatever kind of government or authority has been devised by man has failed miserably. And now we are nearing the time for a return to rule by God, true theocracy, the Kingdom of Jehovah in the hands of Jesus Christ. It will take complete control of the world’s affairs and remove all opposers of God’s Kingdom.—Daniel 2:44.
19 In the new world under God’s Kingdom, search as you may, you will not be able to find a “wicked one.” Indeed, anyone who then rebels against Jehovah will quickly be removed. No one who attacks his sovereignty or who refuses to submit to godly authority will be there. All your neighbors will be like-minded in their desire to please Jehovah. What security that will bring—no locks, no bars, nothing that will mar complete trust and happiness!—Isaiah 65:20; Micah 4:4; 2 Peter 3:13.
(speaking as a man) I'm feeling cognitively dissonant.
I want to believe in Annihilationism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilationism. I want to believe scriptures such as Psalms 37:10 Psalms 37:20 Psalms 37:36 refer to the eternal state of sinful man rather than speaking only about life here on earth.
The Bible clearly speaks of a future paradise on earth. For example, the prophet Isaiah described the earth and its inhabitants in this way: “They will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat their fruitage. They will not build and someone else have occupancy; they will not plant and someone else do the eating. For like the days of a tree will the days of my people be; and the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full.” (Isaiah 65:21, 22) The Jews, to whom God gave these promises, were certain that their land—indeed, the whole earth—would one day become a paradise for mankind’s everlasting benefit.
Psalm 37 confirms this hope. “The meek ones themselves will possess the earth.” (Psalm 37:11) This verse is not talking about just a temporary restoration of the nation of Israel to the Promised Land. The same psalm specifies: “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.” (Psalm 37:29)* Note that this psalm says that everlasting life on earth is to be a reward for “the meek.” In a French Bible, a comment on this verse says that the word “meek” “has a far wider meaning than is apparent in translations; it includes the unfortunate, those afflicted or persecuted for Yahweh’s sake, humble hearts that are submissive to God.”
In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus made a promise that reminds us of the scriptures quoted above: “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.” (Matthew 5:5, Revised Standard Version) Once again, the earth is to be a lasting reward for the faithful. However, Jesus made it clear to his apostles that he was preparing a place for them “in the house of [his] Father” and that they would be in heaven with him. (John 14:1, 2; Luke 12:32; 1 Peter 1:3, 4) How, then, should we understand promises of earthly blessings? Are they relevant today, and to whom do they apply?
Jehovah certainly “delighted” in creating the earth for mankind. At the end of the sixth creative day, he declared that everything was “very good.” (Genesis 1:31) The transformation of the earth into a lasting paradise is part of the divine purpose that has not yet been accomplished. Nevertheless, God’s promises ‘will not return to him without results.’ All the promises of perfect life on earth, where humans will live eternally in peace and security, will be fulfilled.—Psalm 135:6; Isaiah 46:10.
The sin of our first parents, Adam and Eve, temporarily disturbed God’s original purpose of making the earth a paradise. After their disobedience, they were expelled from the garden. They thus lost the privilege of sharing in the fulfillment of the divine purpose of having perfect humans reside on a paradise earth. Still, God arranged things to accomplish his purpose. How?—Genesis 3:17-19, 23.
God made arrangements to ensure the accomplishment of his purpose. Soon after the sin of our first parents, he announced a hope for their descendants—a “seed” who would undo the damage done. In fulfilling this prophecy, the primary part of the seed proved to be God’s Son, Jesus, who came to earth and offered his life as a sacrifice to repurchase mankind. (Galatians 3:16; Matthew 20:28)
Once resurrected to heaven, Jesus would become the King of the Kingdom. Primarily, he is the meek one who inherits the earth. In time, this government will take earth’s affairs in hand in order to accomplish God’s original purpose and transform the earth into a paradise. Countless millions of meek ones “inherit the earth” in the sense that they benefit from the rule of this Kingdom by Jesus Christ and his corulers.—Genesis 3:15; Daniel 2:44; Acts 2:32, 33; Revelation 20:5, 6.
In his model prayer, Jesus invited his disciples to pray for God’s will to take place “as in heaven, also upon earth.” (Matthew 6:9, 10) Would these words make sense if the earth disappeared. Would they make sense if all the righteous went to heaven? God’s will for the earth is clearly evident in the Scriptures, from the account of the creation right up to the visions of the book of Revelation. The earth is to become what God purposed—a paradise. This is the will that God promises to accomplish. The faithful on earth pray for the fulfillment of that will.
Then you have not read the Bible.
Matthew 25:46 New International Version (NIV)
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
The soul that sins it shall die (cease to be) nothing is said about suffering and thus no embellishment is necessary. Such is only men adding to the words of God.
Remember, he follows the false prophet Russell.How do you explain Matthew 5:29-30 ? Or Mark 9:48 ?
Nobody is adding to the words of God there.
Well, I probably would have been better off probably looking up before I got even close to the cliff. But now I'm there, yes, looking up becomes even more urgent, "for without Me ye can do nothing".you're a pebble on the edge of a cliff, and you're looking up?