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Featured Covid-19: The White Horse

Discussion in 'Eschatology & Prophecy Forum' started by Hidden In Him, May 13, 2020.

  1. marks

    marks Well-Known Member

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    It's up to you to know what is behind such posts. You are the one it's costing.
     
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    Pure speculation. What should really concern Christians as well as the general population is how Donald Trump -- who should have all relevant information at his fingertips -- is allowing Farcical Fauci to control the narrative and destroy America.

    What we are looking at is another type of flu which has been weaponized by China with the assistance of people like Gates, Fauci, the Imperial College, Soros, Birx, CDC, NIH, IHME, etc. And let's never forget that the treasonous media are supporting China in opposition to their own country.
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    It isn't Trump, it's the media who will not report what other highly qualified doctors have said because it is opposite of what Fauci is saying and it doesn't fit their narrative.
     
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    What is the objective of Islam? To take over control of the world!!

    I am not convinced that the white horse necessarily means war, but perhaps a political conquest. Then . . . once the Caliphate acquires sufficient strength and confidence, it will start subduing non-Muslim nations, which will indeed be accomplished by war. Sort of two stages of the same concept.

    Then again, when have Muslims ever been able to unify in harmony. Just about every Muslim nation is at war with each other in their own country!!

    Maybe I will guess something different tomorrow. :)
     
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    farouk Well-Known Member

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    What a fortress against the many fears perpetrated by the worldly system!
     
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    I'm gonna havta respectfully disagree with you here Hidden, even as a fellow futurist...

    The White Rider is symbolic of the man of sin. Let's go slowly over Revelation 6:1-2 (NKJV)

    1 Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals; and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, "Come and see."
    2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

    Coronavirus has no personage. It is not a person. It is not a "he." Now, a conqueror is one that acquires something by virtue of conquest. Coronavirus does not acquire anything. It is a non-being. The passage is speaking about a man who will come on the scenes and acquire global power in a meteoric rise through intrigue, rhetoric, deceit and flattery; a bloodless coup d'etat (on the surface, anyway) . This represents the fact that his arsenal will not be with arrow; the part of the bow and arrow assemblage that inflicts damage; it will not be fatal nor will it be with force; his rise will be solemnly resignated likely by the United Nations assembly. He will be installed. The whiteness of the horse represents the fact that he will be seen as a shining saviour to the global cabal's one world government and will be seen by many as a force of good and a grand unifier.

    That "corona" means "crown" is really just a coincidence. No reason to connect it with Rev 6:1-2. The rider of Pestilence would make more sense, in fact.

    Now, having said that, I have heard that if the markets didn't open up before the start of May, that we are on our way to a worse crash than 1920s. Revelation 6:6 may speak on this, as it speaks of great poverty in the lands—6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, "A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine."

    Once Trump is out the world will continue it's spiral.

    Anyways, be well my friend. May the Lord be with you, I look forward to your reply.
     
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  8. Hidden In Him

    Hidden In Him Well-Known Member

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    Hey, bud.

    Now, I've heard this interpretation before, but my first response would be to point out that the other three horsemen are personages as well, so following this logic you would have to make the other three human beings as well.

    I don't regard them as that. I regard all four as angelic prices, charged with bringing four material conditions about on the earth. Plague, War, Poverty, and Death.
    One could say that this third horseman might then represent the events taking place with coronavirus, but the four horsemen give every indication of being sequential, so that would leave one forced to identify what the other two have been.
    You as well, my old friend.
     
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    You got me there. But at the same time, I can only say "not necessarily" :D

    True. But maybe this is only the beginning of the real pestilence which will wreck greater havoc on the world.

    Be blessed
     
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    There are more viruses prophesied to some, unfortunately. It just think this was the one that broke the camel's back, so to speak (i.e. of the world's debt-ridden economies).
     
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    Hidden In Him Well-Known Member

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    But there is also 1 Timothy 6:15. If you were to tell your Greek teacher that the Lord Jesus Christ should be referred to as "the Happy Potentate," I think he'd get as much of a chuckle out of that as I would, LoL.
    I understand the argument, Marks, and "happy" might be a mildly acceptable translation in certain instances. But "blessed" is the more universally accurate one. But at this point, I kinda forgot why we were discussing translation of the word to begin with.

    Anyway, yes. Greek study is always fun. For the purposes of this thread, I should probably end it there, but anytime you wanna get into that sort of thing just tag me. I love discussing analysis of the original : )

    Thumbs up! and thanks.
     
  12. VictoryinJesus

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    “Happy” and “blessed” both fit, yeah? Hebrews 10:34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.

    Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants ...good news, from which Paul said “As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. [10] For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. [11] But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. [12] For I neither received it of man(but received it of the Spirit of God), neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.” (Like what you shared “unveiled”) Galatians 1:9-12

    For what it is worth agree about the rider of white horse. Maybe the difference is perspective or the lens through which it is viewed, like 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. [3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. [4] But ye, brethren, are not in darkness that that day should overtake you as a thief.
    “Light” “unveiled” “the revelation of Jesus Christ” God given John 16:13-15 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. [14] He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. [15] All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    Luke 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

    Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed (happy)is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments (1 Thessalonians 4:4)lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
     
  13. farouk

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    @VictoryinJesus We need to keep looking up, indeed (Hebrews 12.2).

    (How is the family illness?)
     
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    The buck stops at Trump. What is even more disturbing is that Fauci is actively undermining Trump and getting away with it. Now he is ready to DELIBERATELY sabotage hydroxychloroquine by omitting zinc from the upcoming NIH trials. That would be treason.

    New Hydroxychloroquine Trial Could Be Destined to Fail

    BY STACEY LENNOX MAY 14, 2020

    The politicization of hydroxychloroquine has been one of the most frustrating aspects of Trump Derangement Syndrome during this pandemic. Early studies in France and clinical outcomes from multiple treating physicians using a combination therapy that included the drug provided hope to combat the virus. However, it made President Trump hopeful, so it had to be obliterated.

    Crappy studies of the drug given to the most severe patients were touted as proof the president was wrong. Then there was Fish Tank Cleaner Gate. This is the problem with political reporters covering press briefings about a pandemic. They either aren’t provided an internet connection by their employers or are too lazy to do 15 minutes of research.

    Now, the NIH has finally announced it will begin a clinical trial using hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in COVID-19 patients with mild to moderate symptoms. Every clinician who has advocated hydroxychloroquine-azithromycin has said this is the appropriate stage of the disease to use the drug combination. Dr. Vladimir Zelenko began giving it to diagnosed and presumed COVID-19 patients during a severe outbreak in New Rochelle, New York. He started the drug when patients were suffering from mild shortness of breath.

    Dr. Anthony Cardillo also explained how he effectively used the drug. His method was to give the medicine with azithromycin and zinc for a specific biological reason. This mineral needs to be added to the NIH trial based on volumes of scientific research on how it works in combination with hydroxychloroquine. Cardillo explained it succinctly:
    “It was actually the hydroxychloroquine opening up a channel in the cellular membranes allowing zinc to come into the cells,” he said, “And we do know high levels of zinc inside of the cell that’s infected with the virus shuts down that viral replication machinery.”

    The reaction to hydroxychloroquine was very perplexing. The NIH studied drug’s older cousin chloroquine following the SARS epidemic. In 2005 the NIH noted chloroquine had both prophylactic effects for prevention and anti-viral effects in cell cultures:


    "Conclusion
    Chloroquine is effective in preventing the spread of SARS CoV in cell culture. Favorable inhibition of virus spread was observed when the cells were either treated with chloroquine prior to or after SARS CoV infection. In addition, the indirect immunofluorescence assay described herein represents a simple and rapid method for screening SARS-CoV antiviral compounds."


    Because of how the drug works, especially in combination with zinc, Dr. Anthony Fauci’s inability to articulate the clinical case for exploring it was quite odd. His own agency had investigated chloroquine in a dozen ways following the SARS outbreak. It makes logical sense if chloroquine could inhibit viruses in vitro that its lower-risk cousin would have a similar effect. The science was always on the president’s side for use of the three-drug combination in the early course of illness. Fauci’s inability to articulate it was maddening and, in my own opinion, quite suspicious.

    In the press release for the NIH’s new hydroxychloroquine study, Dr. Fauci offers a rationale for the new trial: “We urgently need a safe and effective treatment for COVID-19. Repurposing existing drugs is an attractive option because these medications have undergone extensive testing, allowing them to move quickly into clinical trials and accelerating their potential approval for COVID-19 treatment,” said NIAID Director Anthony S. Fauci, M.D.
    “Although there is anecdotal evidence that hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin may benefit people with COVID-19, we need solid data from a large randomized, controlled clinical trial to determine whether this experimental treatment is safe and can improve clinical outcomes.” [Note: Fauci lied by saying "anecdotal evidence" and then failing to mention zinc]

    I agree wholeheartedly. With a background and education in health care, I would be loath to take a drug that is not at least 10 years old and preferably a generic. By then all side effects are known, the class action suits have started, and you know it doesn’t have a black box warning. I’d prefer this cocktail to the new drug Remdesivir any day of the week based on age and previous usage.

    However, every clinician who has shared his or her success in treating patients early emphasized the role of zinc. Hydroxychloroquine holds the door to the cell open so zinc can run inside and stop the virus from making photocopies of itself. They work together to stop the viral load from increasing so the patient’s own immune system has a better shot. The NIH trial does not include the mineral. This requires some explanation given what the NIH already knows.

    New Hydroxychloroquine Trial Could Be Destined to Fail
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    καὶ τὴν ἁρπαγὴν τῶν ὑπαρχόντων ὑμῶν κ.τ.λ.] and also accepted (comp. Hebrews 11:35) with joy the plundering of your goods, with joy, or willingly submitted to it. Wrongly Heinrichs, according to whom προσδέχεσθαι, here expresses, at the same time, the idea of “exspectare” and of “recipere,” so that we have to translate: “ye looked for it.”
    I have no issue with using blessed or happy....this came up between HiH and Marks......
     
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    Heart2Soul Spiritual Warrior Staff Member

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    Matthew Henry Commentary

    Verses 1-2 Here, 1. Christ, the Lamb, opens the first seal; he now enters upon the great work of opening and accomplishing the purposes of God towards the church and the world.
    2. One of the ministers of the church calls upon the apostle, with a voice like thunder, to come near, and observe what then appeared.
    3. We have the vision itself,

    v. 2. (1.) The Lord Jesus appears riding on a white horse. White horses are generally refused in war, because they make the rider a mark for the enemy; but our Lord Redeemer was sure of the victory and a glorious triumph, and he rides on the white horse of a pure but despised gospel, with great swiftness through the world.
    (2.) He had a bow in his hand. The convictions impressed by the word of God are sharp arrows, they reach at a distance; and, though the ministers of the word draw the bow at a venture, God can and will direct it to the joints of the harness. This bow, in the hand of Christ, abides in strength, and, like that of Jonathan, never returns empty.
    (3.) A crown was given him, importing that all who receive the gospel must receive Christ as a king, and must be his loyal and obedient subjects; he will be glorified in the success of the gospel. When Christ was going to war, one would think a helmet had been more proper than a crown; but a crown is given him as the earnest and emblem of victory.
    (4.) He went forth conquering, and to conquer. As long as the church continues militant Christ will be conquering; when he has conquered his enemies in one age he meets with new ones in another age; men go on opposing, and Christ goes on conquering, and his former victories are pledges of future victories. He conquers his enemies in his people; their sins are their enemies and his enemies; when Christ comes with power into their soul he begins to conquer these enemies, and he goes on conquering, in the progressive work of sanctification, till he has gained us a complete victory. And he conquers his enemies in the world, wicked men, some by bringing them to his foot, others by making them his footstool.

    Observe, From this seal opened,
    [1.] The successful progress of the gospel of Christ in the world is a glorious sight, worth beholding, the most pleasant and welcome sight that a good man can see in this world.
    [2.] Whatever convulsions and revolutions happen in the states and kingdoms of the world, the kingdom of Christ shall be established and enlarged in spite of all opposition.
    [3.] A morning of opportunity usually goes before a night of calamity; the gospel is preached before the plagues are poured forth.
    [4.] Christ’s work is not all done at once. We are ready to think, when the gospel goes forth, it should carry all the world before it, but it often meets with opposition, and moves slowly; however, Christ will do his own work effectually, in his own time and way.
     
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    Both have recovered. Well all three including my brothers girlfriend. She is already back to work. A friend though lost her grandfather to it. Her grandmother caught it but recovered.
     
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    I had to track back to find out myself, I didn't remember either. It turns out you were in the process of attempting to justify this post:

    I always liked what Walter Martin was fond of saying . . . "Words have meanings." And either you are working with the meaning of a word or you are not. And that's just the way it is.

    It's one thing to learn the meaning of a word, of syntax, and even perhaps to find out it's not what you originally thought. But it's another to say, Oh, that just can't be what that means here! That's just silly! It's just Got to mean something else!

    For myself, this was a matter to be settled a long time ago. I am subject to the Word of God.

    Much love!
     
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    @VictoryinJesus Glad it seems to be going reasonably for your family; it really does affect ppl with existing respiratory problems.
     
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    Zechariah 10:3-4 KJV
    Mine anger was kindled against the shepherds, and I punished the goats: for the Lord of hosts hath visited his flock the house of Judah, and hath made them as his goodly horse in the battle. [4] Out of him came forth the corner, out of him the nail, out of him the battle bow, out of him every oppressor together.
     
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