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Featured Covid . . Are Americans totally stoopid??

Discussion in 'Current Events & Politics Forum' started by Stan B, Jul 26, 2020.

  1. Stan B

    Stan B Well-Known Member

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    Here in Ontario, with only half the population of Florida, we have only 139 new cases today of Covid, while Florida has 12,000 new cases, suggesting a significant intelligence gap between the two entities. Is this Trump's fault??
     
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    I think it's is partly Trump's fault and partly Governor DeSantis' fault for being unscientific and thinking they can make things happen by talking. Here is DeSantis bragging back in May. He was being political and attacking the media. He was not taking things seriously.



    People's attention spans are short. Politicians can bluff their way out of many situations by talking. Who remembers the opioid crisis? It didn't get solved. It's worse than ever, but it doesn't matter anymore since people are focused on coronavirus now. The media often determines what worries people. If the media talks about how many murders are caused by guns, that's what people worry about. The media has a good reason for alarming people. If they can get people to worry, they can sell you papers tomorrow or get you to tune into their television station.

    Then that puts pressure on politicians to tackle the problems the media is talking about. . . or pretend to tackle. Presidents and governors can hog media attention by holding press conferences. The press covers them -- first it's cheap, a lot cheaper than sending reporters to distant places to get difficult stories. You point a camera at the politician, let him talk and your job is half done. Clever politicians know how to use the press. Politicians can control what the media talks about to a large extent. Both Trump and DeSantis know that but aren't as clever as they could be in how they go about things. They attack the press for stories they don't like. They are trying to scream down previous stories, trying to intimidate reporters, and trying to make reporters look like fools. When they scream and use bad language, they do get attention; and some people will believe reporters are idiots and the politician is trustworthy.

    This "combat" between the media and a certain type of politician (mostly Republican in the US) goes on and on. Most of the time, the things they argue about don't get resolved. They just move on to the next crisis and people start worrying about that. Both Trump and DeSantis made a big mistake about coronavirus. They thought it would go away (the way most problems seem to fade away from view) if they used PR and attacked the press, the Democrats, the Chinese and anyone else they could think of. That tactic often works when it's only people involved; but it didn't work handling a virus. So ignoring the problem and thinking they could bluster their way out of it with just talk made things worse.

    Now the Republican politicians have egg on their faces -- and the media they insulted earlier gleefully point that out. Insulting the media is a dangerous way to increase your influence. If a politician adopts an abusive tone with the media, savaging them for minor mistakes, you can be sure the media will be happy to report on any of the politician's blunders.

    From what I can see in reading news at the CBC, politicians and reporters don't seem so antagonistic towards each other. It is true (I'm trying to be fair) that politicians in Canada sometimes do silly things and the media reports on them. I'm thinking now of how Trudeau dressed when visiting India. It made me laugh to see him and his family dressed up in Indian clothes. To his credit however, it ended there. He didn't attack the press over that story. I think that was smart. He was being silly, the press pointed that out -- and Trudeau let it go. There was no need to go to war with the press over it.

    I think in general Canadian politicians try to respond more responsibly to news stories. If Canadians are worried about something because it's in the news, the politicians don't think they can solve the problem by attacking reporters.
     
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    Yep, I agree that your thread title is highly probable.
     
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    In the sense that Trump's weak leadership made the pandemic so much worse. But notice that some states had governors who realized that they had to pick up the slack from Trump's mismanagement, and they are well on their way to recovery. Florida's governor followed Trump's example, with predictable results.
     
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    He didn't. He was merely pointing out that it was foolish and dangerous to weaken our ability to respond to future pandemics. He was quite right. At a time when the risk of such viruses had increased significantly, it was a terrible decision to disband our means of protecting the public from pandemics.

    And turned out, Biden correctly called it.

    Bad luck for Trump? No, it was clear that sooner or later, there would be such a pandemic. It just came when the incompetent in the WH had shut down our ability to respond effectively. This isn't the only thing he's messed up on; it's the just the first one that resulted in tens of thousands of Americans dying because of his incompetence.
     
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    WASHINGTON — Brett Giroir, the assistant secretary for health who coordinates the administration’s coronavirus testing, said Sunday that there is no evidence that hydroxychloroquine is an “effective” treatment for COVID-19, despite President Donald Trump’s repeated boosting of the drug over objections from experts.

    In an interview on “Meet the Press,” Giroir did not specifically mention the president, but he made clear that the scientific consensus is that the drug does not help treat the disease.

    “Most physicians and prescribers are evidence-based and they’re not influenced by whatever is on Twitter or anything else. And the evidence just does not show hydroxychloroquine is effective right now,” he said.

    “We need to move on from that and talk about what is effective,” he added, pointing to public hygiene measures like hand-washing and mask-wearing, as well as treatments like the drug remdesivir and steroids.

    "At this point in time, there has been five randomized controlled, placebo controlled trials that do not show any benefit to hydroxychloroquine. So, at this point in time, we don't recommend that as a treatment."
    Nation's testing czar: It's "time to move on" from talk about hydroxychloroquine
     
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    I would say it is Trump's fault to the extent that he has failed to clean up the agencies that are reporting on the statistics, and he has also allowed bogus reporting to become effective under his watch. Indeed he has put all the wrong people in charge of this pandemic, and shut out all the right people.
     
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    Giroir is FLAT OUT LYING and should be fired, along with Fauci and the whole gang of medical criminals running the show.
     
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    You continue to promote the myth that Biden can do anything correctly. Since he cannot even remember where he is physically, you should stop praising Biden just because you hate Trump.
     
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    Have you heard any explanation for shutting down the part of government meant to deal with pandemics if and when they arose? I haven't seen an explanation so far. Trump's comments didn't seem adequate. Back in March, he said they were in "strong shape." What?



    Obama said back in 2014 that the country needed to be ready for pandemics, just in case.

     
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    From all accounts, it's because Trump is seeking to erase as much of Obama's legacy as he can. Obama acted to protect us from pandemics, and so Trump disbanded the pandemic team, apparently, for no other reason than Obama set up that protection.
     
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    He was merely pointing out that it was foolish and dangerous to weaken our ability to respond to future pandemics. He was quite right. At a time when the risk of such viruses had increased significantly, it was a terrible decision to disband our means of protecting the public from pandemics.

    And turned out, Biden correctly called it.

    See above. Biden warned that we needed a pandemic response team, because there was a continuing threat of such a pandemic. And he did this months before anyone knew about COVID-19. He called it precisely right.

    You're thinking of Trump. When he forgot that he was at the airport and needed to get into his Limo:


    Or forgot he was at a signing, and wandered off without signing the document...


    You should stop making excuses for Trump just because you hate Biden. Trump's obvious cognitive difficulties are getting worse as time goes on.
     
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    WASHINGTON — Brett Giroir, the assistant secretary for health who coordinates the administration’s coronavirus testing, said Sunday that there is no evidence that hydroxychloroquine is an “effective” treatment for COVID-19, despite President Donald Trump’s repeated boosting of the drug over objections from experts.

    "At this point in time, there has been five randomized controlled, placebo controlled trials that do not show any benefit to hydroxychloroquine. So, at this point in time, we don't recommend that as a treatment."
    Nation's testing czar: It's "time to move on" from talk about hydroxychloroquine



    No, he's correct. The five randomized, placebo controlled trials do not show any benefit to hydroxychloroquine. Would you like me to show you?

    You should realize that firing them won't change the facts. Besides, even Trump isn't dumb enough to fire Fauci.
     
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    That is what I think too. His visceral hatred of Obama seems to have no bounds. The excuse it was to save money doesn't fly with me. With all the other spending of this administration, why pick on the pandemic section of government to save money. And has it saved money? No, it cost money. The politicians weary me. All too often, they close their eyes to potential problems saying, "We'll cross that bridge when we come to it." Both Democrats and Republicans are prone to doing that; but let's give Obama credit where it's due. It would have far less costly to be prepared for a pandemic than to scurry about once it's started and trying to figure out what to do next.
     
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    Trump's bungling continues, and more and more Americans are dying:
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    Trump's gambling that it might somehow go away on its own, and the economy will recover, and people will forget all the deaths he caused, and he'll be re-elected and avoid indictment for another 4 years.

    I don't think it's working.
     
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    That's a good question. Why would Biden tweet about a pandemic (by saying "We are not prepared for a pandemic") 2 months before there was one here in the U.S.? Hmmm

    Perhaps his connections with China??

    Why is China Rooting for Joe Biden to win?
    https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/why-china-is-rooting-for-joe-biden-to-win-2020-presidential-race/

    Edit: As for the OP, I don't think that Americans are any more "stoopid" than our Canadian neighbors (of which I am very fond) who have allowed their nation to become extremely socialistic over the years.... Americans should observe and learn.
     
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    He didn't. He wasn't talking about COVID-19; he was talking about how foolish it was to shut down our pandemic response team.

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    Why would he want us to be prepared for a pandemic no one even knew about? Because epidemiologists were warning that new viruses were likely to be showing up. That's not really news:

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    Published 1995. People realized that globalization was likely to make such pandemics much more frequent.
     
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