Daniel 9:25 - the messiah the prince

[covenantee]

Messiah The Prince = Jesus Christ

the prince to come = The Little Horn/The Antichrist

I have Jesus Christ.
You have antichrist.
I'll keep Jesus Christ.
You keep antichrist.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Messiah The Prince = Jesus Christ

the prince to come = The Little Horn/The Antichrist

The Seventy Weeks concern God’s covenant relationship with His people—Covenant Israel which is spiritual Jerusalem, of which Daniel was a part.

Messiah the Prince = Jesus Christ.

Messiah being cut off = Jesus Christ being crucified.

The people of the prince = the Old Testament congregation, the Jews, who cut off Christ.

Verse 26 speaks of the end of the Old Testament congregation: desolation was determined upon her.

Verse 27 then at the same time, Christ confirming a covenant with many—the New Testament congregation— with His Blood for one week which represents the New Testament period.

In the midst of that week—not necessarily meaning “halfway through”—Christ, as our high priest, caused the sacrifice and obligation for salvation to cease after securing all of His elect (Revelation 7:1–4). After that, the growing apostasy, Christ permits the abomination of desolation to arise as a judgment upon His unfaithful congregation until He returns.

The consummation is the Last Day, at the Last Trump, when Christ returns and gathers His Church in the Rapture.

Nowhere in Daniel 9:24–27 does God identify the "prince to come" or "he" of verse 27 as an evil prince, Titus, Antichrist, little horn, man of sin, or beast. Those identifications are being imported into the passage rather than established by the text and context itself.

Daniel 9:24–27 is fundamentally all about the covenant relationship between God and His Covenant Israel, encompassing the transition from the Old Testament congregation to the New Testament congregation.

Selah!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If there was an AOD involving the 2nd temple 2000 years ago, what then was the AOD? Assuming there was one, well it should no longer be a mystery 2000 years later as to what it was. Except not all interpreters that insist an AOD involved the 2nd temple 2000 years ago can even agree with each other as to what the AOD was. Why should it be a multiple choice question if it has already been fulfilled?

If this AOD indeed happened 2000 years ago, every single interpreter that insists it did would be in full agreement with each other and that there would only be one choice to choose from, not multiple choices.

But if an AOD involving the 2nd temple never actually happened 2000 years ago to begin with, no wonder interpreters that insist it did happen can't all agree with each other as to what it was. That's typically what happens when an alleged fulfilled prophecy is false to begin with. The prophecy itself is not false. The claim that it has already been fulfilled is what is false. Otherwise, every single interpreter that insists it was already fulfilled would all agree 100% with each other as to what it was and what it looked like at the time.

Tell us again why it is that you don't acknowledge that Luke 21:20-24 is a parallel passage to Matthew 24:15-22 and Mark 13:14-20? It doesn't matter if people agree on what exactly the AOD was. We can see what it related to in the Luke 21 passage, but you won't acknowledge that Luke 21:20-24 is a parallel passage to Matthew 24:15-22 and Mark 13:14-20. That causes you to conclude that Matthew and Mark inexplicably decided to not include Jesus's answer to the disciples first question about when the temple buildings would be destroyed. I think that's a far bigger problem than people not all agreeing on what the AOD was exactly in 70 AD. The same people who agree that it related in some way to Jerusalem being surrounded by (Roman) armies.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There you go. Having the same blindness like the Jews thinking Christ was talking about the physical stones of the city and the temple. Even to this day! Sad. :-)

LOL! You blind yourself to make it so that you can't even discern plain and simple scripture. Your ridiculous hyper-spiritualized approach to interpreting scripture makes it so that you can't even discern that the disciples asked Jesus to look at the physical temple buildings and stones they were marveling at, after which Jesus showed that He was not impressed and said they would be destroyed with no stone left upon another, which is what happened in 70 AD. Very simple.

Mark 13:1 Then as He went out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, “Teacher, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!" 2 And Jesus answered and said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

You have to be completely blind to not see that Jesus was talking about the physical temple buildings being destroyed when He asked "Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

He may know that if he answers the question regarding when God warned The Jews of the coming destruction with NT scripture, it will totally destroy his argument. Selah

Exactly. Selah!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your reply is nothing more than speculation wrapped in sarcasm.

Show me the Scripture that says the Judaean Christians, while being filled with the Holy Spirit in the holy temple of the heart, fled because they still believed the physical temple remained God's holy dwelling. You can't, because the Bible never says that. You're reading your doctrine into the text instead of drawing your doctrine from it.sd

The New Testament repeatedly teaches that believers are God's temple (1 Corinthians 3:16-17; 6:19; Ephesians 2:19-22; 1 Peter 2:5). Christ also declared that the old temple would be left desolate (Matthew 23:38), and He identified His own body as the true temple (John 2:19-21). The entire direction of the New Covenant is away from a physical sanctuary and toward Christ and His people.

So your claim about what the Judaean Christians supposedly believed is not biblical evidence—it's conjecture. You have no verse that says they regarded the temple as still holy or that this was their reason for fleeing.

You got the wrong Judea to begin with, so look at who is being crucified, upside down, becasue you got it backward!

So, do you think that all of the Christians in Judea stuck around to be killed or taken captive instead of fleeing as Jesus warned?

Show us again where scripture ever refers to a spiritual Judea.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are not even remotely being logical here. Per your reasoning you are missing an entire 3.5 years. If Christ died in the midst of the week, He obviously rose in the midst of the week as well. Plus, Pentecost would also be close to the midst of the week. Pentecost certainly didn't happen 3.5 years after Christ rose. Nor did Christ rise 3.5 years after He died. Once again, you have an entire half of a week not being accounted for. The midst of the 70th week does not equal 70 completed weeks. It equals 69.5 completed weeks. Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression----not 69.5 weeks instead. 70 weeks = 490 years. 69.5 weeks = 486.5 years. The latter alone does not fulfill all of Daniel 9:24, the former does. But I'm not saying 486.5 years did not fulfill any of verse 24. It clearly did. It just didn't fulfill everything since 70 weeks have to be fulfilled in order for all of verse 24 to be in the past.

Therefore, the remainder of the 70th week is recorded in the NT involving the 42 month reign of the beast, obviously.

What part of Daniel 9:24 do you think is not yet fulfilled?

 

[jeffweeder]

What part of Daniel 9:24 do you think is not yet fulfilled?

If one is fulfilled, then they all are. All in 70 weeks.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If one is fulfilled, then they all are. All in 70 weeks.

Right. A 70 week (490 year) time period was determined/designated for all six things to be fulfilled and Jesus fulfilled them all, as only He could. It's sad to see some people think that the Jews themselves can accomplish those things in the future, which would mean those Jews wouldn't need Jesus. It's complete nonsense. When Jesus said "It is finished" just before He took His final breath on the cross, that means what He came to do was finished, and that includes all of the six things listed in Daniel 9:24.

 

[jeffweeder]

Right. A 70 week (490 year) time period was determined/designated for all six things to be fulfilled and Jesus fulfilled them all, as only He could. It's sad to see some people think that the Jews themselves can accomplish those things in the future, which would mean those Jews wouldn't need Jesus. It's complete nonsense. When Jesus said "It is finished" just before He took His final breath on the cross, that means what He came to do was finished, and that includes all of the six things listed in Daniel 9:24.

I agree.

Jn 17
4 I have glorified You [down here] on the earth by completing the work that You gave Me to do. 5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory and majesty that I had with You before the world existed.

 

[CTK]

Here is a copy of one the many narratives within the Daniel commentary - Chapter 9:27.



Part 1 of 2

1. the "abomination that causes desolation

Among the many interpretations offered, most focus on the physical destruction of the Temple—whether in 70 AD by the Romans, during the desecration by Antiochus Epiphanes two centuries earlier, or in a theorized future third Temple expected to be ruined during an end-time tribulation.

While these perspectives attempt to connect historical or future events to Daniel’s prophecy, they often miss the deeper covenant meaning behind the phrase “the abomination that causes desolation.” Daniel 9:24–27 is not a prophecy about a building. It is a prophecy about the Messiah, the covenant, and what follows when the Messiah is rejected.

The Temple was sacred because it represented the presence of God among His people. But it was also a shadow—an earthly pattern pointing to a greater reality. If the Messiah is the true fulfillment of that reality, then the greatest desecration imaginable would not be the fall of stones, but the rejection of the One to whom those stones testified. In that light, the “abomination” reaches its deepest meaning at the cross. The crucifixion of Jesus Christ was not merely a moment of sorrow; it was covenant betrayal of the highest order—the Holy One of Israel rejected and “cut off” in the very time Daniel said He would come. No military campaign, no political upheaval, and no destruction of masonry can match the spiritual gravity of that act.

This is why the desolation that follows cannot be reduced to the burning of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 AD. That destruction was real and devastating, but it was the consequence, not the cause, of desolation. The true desolation is spiritual: the severing of communion that occurs when the Messiah is rejected—the loss of covenant nearness, the leaving of the “house” empty. Only later does that desolation become visible in history, when the city falls.

The Gospels themselves invite the reader to understand Daniel’s language through the words of Jesus. Three passages speak directly to Daniel 9:27e:

“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (whoever reads, let him understand) …” (Matthew 24:15)​

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“But when you see the abomination of desolation… standing where where it ought not (let the reader understand) …” (Mark 13:14)​

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“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near.” (Luke 21:20)​

All three writers are preserving the same discourse from Jesus, yet each presents it with distinct emphasis and nuance. Luke omits the phrase “abomination of desolation” and speaks directly to the visible realities that would soon confront Jerusalem.

Matthew and Mark retain the phrase and explicitly identify Daniel as the prophetic source. These differences are not contradictions. They are deliberate distinctions shaped to communicate unique messages to different audiences—and taken together, they help confirm both the timing and the identity of what Daniel foretold.

A Daniel 9:25–26 Lens: The Prince and the One “Cut Off”

Before Matthew and Mark even differ in phrasing (“holy place” versus “where it ought not”), they agree on something crucial: Jesus says this is what was “spoken of by Daniel the prophet.” That invitation is not incidental. It directs the reader back to the heart of Daniel 9, where the Messiah is presented in two complementary portraits that function like a hinge in the prophecy.

In Daniel 9:25, the Messiah is revealed as the Prince—the One who comes with covenant authority, restoration, and purpose. This is the Messiah in His rightful place, arriving exactly on time within the seventy-weeks framework.

Then in Daniel 9:26, the same Messiah is revealed in the shock of the Gospel: He will be “cut off, but not for Himself.” This is the Messiah in unjust suffering—rejected, condemned, sacrificed, not for His own sin, but for others.

Daniel already holds these two portraits together: the Prince who comes to restore (v.25), and the Messiah who is cut off to redeem (v.26). The Gospels do not invent this tension—they unveil its fulfillment. This is why Matthew can place the Messiah where a King and Priest belongs, while Mark places the Messiah where He ought not be—and yet both remain true and converge on the same event: the cross.

Matthew: Standing in the Holy Place

In Matthew’s Gospel, Jesus is presented as the Messianic King and covenant High Priest, fulfilling the Law and the Prophets and establishing the long-anticipated kingdom of heaven. Matthew writes primarily to a Jewish audience and meticulously links Jesus to the Hebrew Scriptures—His royal lineage from David, His legal authority as heir to the throne, and His covenant mission as the fulfillment of what God promised. Therefore, when Jesus speaks of the abomination “standing in the holy place” (Matthew 24:15), the phrase is critical because it places the Messiah precisely where a King and a Priest would be found standing. The “holy place” evokes far more than geography.

It represents covenant space—the sphere where God’s presence was honored, where priestly mediation occurred, and where Israel’s worship was centered. If Jesus is the true Temple—the ultimate dwelling of God among His people—then the greatest abomination is not the destruction of a building, but the crucifixion of the Son of God: the rejection of the One in whom God’s fullness dwells. Matthew’s own Gospel provides an interpretive key to what “desolation” means at its deepest level. Jesus laments over Jerusalem:

“See! Your house is left to you desolate.” (Matthew 23:38)​

This is not merely a prediction of coming ruins. It is the language of severed communion—a sanctuary emptied because its rightful inhabitant has been rejected. And when Jesus dies, Matthew records a decisive sign:

“The veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom.” (Matthew 27:51)​

The tearing of the veil signals that the old order has reached its fulfillment point. What the Temple signified is now centered in the Messiah. When He is rejected, the “house” is left desolate. The Roman siege that follows is a historical judgment, but Matthew presses the deeper cause: the abomination has already occurred in covenant terms, and the desolation begins spiritually before it becomes visible in history.

Matthew also preserves an unusually direct summons placed right in the middle of Jesus’ warning: “whoever reads, let him understand.” Whether spoken by Jesus in that moment or preserved by Matthew as an inspired prompt, the effect is the same—the reader is being commanded to slow down, return to Daniel, and recognize that understanding will not be automatic.

Mark: Standing Where He Ought Not

Mark preserves the same warning, but with different phrasing:

“Standing where it ought not…” (Mark 13:14)​

Mark does not mention the “holy place.” Instead, he speaks morally and symbolically. In Mark’s Gospel, Jesus is portrayed as the Suffering Servant—the One who came “to give His life as a ransom for many” (Mark 10:45). A servant does not belong in the sanctuary as a ruler. And the Holy One does not belong at a Roman execution site as a criminal. The cross itself is the place where He “ought not” to be—and yet it is precisely there that redemption is accomplished.

Mark’s Passion narrative highlights this inversion: the innocent Servant mocked, humiliated, abandoned, and treated as cursed. In Mark’s framing, the abomination is the moment humanity places the Servant of God where He does not belong—on the cross, bearing the sins of the world. It is not only Israel’s betrayal but also Rome’s injustice: the Son of God condemned and executed as though guilty. Jew and Gentile alike stand implicated in the world’s rejection of its only Savior.

And here the contrast becomes decisive: Matthew places the Messiah where a King and Priest belongs— “in the holy place.” Mark places the Messiah where He ought not be—on the cross, the place of shame. Both are true, and together they point to one fulfillment: the Messiah rejected and “cut off,” not for Himself.

 

[CTK]

Part 2 of 2

Luke: Jerusalem Surrounded—Desolation Made Visible

Luke takes yet another path. He does not cite Daniel by name, nor does he use sanctuary language (“holy place”) or symbolic language (“where it ought not”). Instead, he provides the visible historical sign:

“When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies…” (Luke 21:20)​

Luke’s emphasis is direct. He shows how desolation becomes outwardly evident. The siege is the visible manifestation of a spiritual rupture already underway. Jerusalem’s destruction in 70 AD was not merely a political or military disaster; it was the earthly reflection of what happens when the presence of God is refused and covenant communion collapses.

Luke also widens the horizon beyond Israel. His Gospel moves beyond Jewish prophetic framing to underscore the global consequence of rejecting the Son of Man. The desolation is not only Jerusalem’s; it is the human condition wherever Christ is refused. Yet Luke’s broader emphasis also magnifies hope: even as the world rejects its Creator, mercy is offered. Jesus gives Himself to save mankind from the deepest desolation of all—separation from God.

And this is where the prophecy ultimately presses the reader. The desolation that begins with rejecting the Messiah is real and enduring—but it is not forever. The time of spiritual distance will end. The Messiah will return—not as the rejected King, not as the suffering Servant, but as the victorious Son of Man, restoring what was lost. The question is not whether the prophecy will be fulfilled, but whether we will be ready when desolation gives way to restoration and the King is finally received.

 

[Truth7t7]

Messiah the Prince = Jesus Christ.

Agree

Messiah being cut off = Jesus Christ being crucified.

I Disagree, Messiah will be cut off in the "Future" when the building the wall and street to Messiah stops, as armies surround Jerusalem in fulfilling the future 3.5 year times of the gentiles and Jerusalem being trodden under foot

 

[jeffweeder]

Agree

I Disagree, Messiah will be cut off in the "Future"

Jesus was cut off, shed his blood and rose from the dead and in doing so atoned for sin, and established everlasting righteous in him etc. etc.
How can he possibly be cut off in the future?

 

[CTK]

Agree

I Disagree, Messiah will be cut off in the "Future" when the building the wall and street to Messiah stops, as armies surround Jerusalem in fulfilling the future 3.5 year times of the gentiles and Jerusalem being trodden under foot

Here is a copy of parts of a few different narratives within the Daniel commentary for chapter 9:24-27:

I agree that the Messiah was indeed"cut off in the midst of the week" (Daniel 9:26–27). That "week" was the final seven years of the seventy-weeks prophecy. Although Jesus was cut off halfway through that final week, He nevertheless fulfilled the six objectives identified in Daniel 9:24. His declaration, "It is finished," signified that the work the Father had given Him to accomplish was complete.

It is important to recognize that Daniel contains two distinct visions, each serving a different purpose.

The first is the Chazon vision, which begins in 457 BC and extends from that point until the return of the Messiah at the end of time. In Daniel 8, the English word vision appears nine times. However, the underlying Hebrew uses two different words. Six occurrences are the Hebrew word chazon, referring to the broad, long-range vision spanning from 457 BC to the Messiah's return. The remaining three occurrences are the Hebrew word Mareh, a shorter vision specifically connected with the coming of the Messiah and the prophecy of the 2,300 evenings and mornings in Daniel 8:14.

Within the Chazon vision is another well-known prophetic time period—the seventy weeks of years. Like the Chazon itself, this prophecy also begins in 457 BC. Its purpose was to reveal the timing of the Messiah's first coming and the completion of His redemptive mission. Although Jesus was cut off in the middle of the seventieth week, He fully accomplished everything the Father had appointed Him to do, fulfilling the six purposes of Daniel 9:24. The seventy-weeks prophecy itself continued to its appointed conclusion, ending three and a half years after the cross. Nothing remained unfinished in that prophecy.

However, there is another prophetic time element that has largely been overlooked or misunderstood. Most commentators assume that the remaining three and a half years somehow belong to the seventy-weeks prophecy and must therefore be fulfilled at the end of time. But this assumption is mistaken.

The overlooked time element is the fourth and final Great Jubilee cycle. Like the seventy weeks, it also began in 457 BC and consists of 490 literal years. However, unlike the seventy weeks, this cycle was not a prophetic timetable for the Messiah. Rather, it concerned Israel and her covenant relationship with God.

When Israel rejected and crucified her Messiah, that covenant relationship was interrupted. I believe this is the deeper significance of Daniel 9:27 and the phrase "the abomination that causes desolation." The crucifixion of the Messiah—the most abominable act in human history—resulted in God making His covenant relationship with Israel desolate. Their fellowship with Him ceased, and with it the counting of the fourth Great Jubilee cycle stopped.

Consequently, the Jubilee clock halted at 486½ years, leaving 3½ years remaining in the 490-year cycle. These remaining years do not belong to the seventy-weeks prophecy, which was completed exactly as God intended. Instead, they belong exclusively to the interrupted Jubilee cycle.

At the close of the time of the Gentiles, God will remove the blindness from Israel's eyes. They will recognize the One whom they pierced, and He will restore His covenant relationship with His people. The remaining three and a half years of the fourth Great Jubilee cycle will then be completed as Israel carries the gospel to the world, proclaiming both the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus, just as Paul did.

The seventy weeks are therefore not a separate vision but a prophecy contained within the broader Chazon vision. Once the final Jubilee cycle has reached its completion, the Son of Man will return to establish His everlasting kingdom. There will be no further need for anyone—whether the Messiah or His people—to be "cut off." The work of redemption will have reached its complete and final fulfillment.

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus was cut off, shed his blood and rose from the dead and in doing so atoned for sin, and established everlasting righteous in him etc. etc.
How can he possibly be cut off in the future?

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal "Future" Weeks Explained?

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the future armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building. Luke 21:24, Rev 11:2

The 70th literal week will see (The Beast/The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Truth7t7]

the Son of Man will return to establish His everlasting kingdom. There will be no further need for anyone—whether the Messiah or His people—to be "cut off." The work of redemption will have reached its complete and final fulfillment.

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I Disagree, Messiah will be cut off in the "Future" when the building the wall and street to Messiah stops, as armies surround Jerusalem in fulfilling the future 3.5 year times of the gentiles and Jerusalem being trodden under foot

Not going to happen. Messiah in the future to be cut off? Does not make sense. And there is no "3.5 year" of Gentiles.

 

[TribulationSigns]

LOL! You blind yourself to make it so that you can't even discern plain and simple scripture. Your ridiculous hyper-spiritualized approach to interpreting scripture makes it so that you can't even discern that the disciples asked Jesus to look at the physical temple buildings and stones they were marveling at, after which Jesus showed that He was not impressed and said they would be destroyed with no stone left upon another, which is what happened in 70 AD. Very simple.

Mark 13:1 Then as He went out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, “Teacher, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!" 2 And Jesus answered and said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”

You have to be completely blind to not see that Jesus was talking about the physical temple buildings being destroyed when He asked "Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon another, that shall not be thrown down.”.

Say the natural man like the disciples before they were enlightened by the Holy Spirit.

 

[TribulationSigns]

So, do you think that all of the Christians in Judea stuck around to be killed or taken captive instead of fleeing as Jesus warned?

Show us again where scripture ever refers to a spiritual Judea.

Wrong Jews. Wrong Judea. Wrong City. Wrong Temple. Spiritual Discerned.