My reply is you is you refuse to see what happened at the cross.
Romans 8:1 So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus
John 12:31Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Rev 12:[sup]10[/sup] Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.
Rev 12 is an over view of the church with the events that follow Jesus accention.
John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
(KJV)
Maybe you forgot that John 14 verse which appears later in the Book of John? What time was our Lord Jesus referring to with, "Hereafter I will not talk much with you"? He was speaking of His coming crucifixion and thereafter.
I Jn 2:18
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that
antichrist shall come, even now are there
many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
(KJV)
There's 2 clauses in that verse using the word antichrist. The first clause is singular, about a singular antichrist John showed they had already heard that shall come. John changed nothing about the coming of a specific antichrist when he taught further there were "many antichrists" already at work. Those given eyes to see and ears to hear well know he was speaking of the "workers of iniquity" of the OT that serve the devil that have been on earth from the beginning (i.e., "crept in unawares" of Jude 1). That's the same idea Paul mentioned with the mystery of iniquity. Men's traditions don't cover that idea much because their spiritual eyes have been closed to matters like that within God's Word.
The Rev.12:10 verse you've taken totally out of the context it is written in. From Rev.12:6 to 12:17, all that is within the same context and timing for the end of this world.
Rev 12:6-17
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
That 1260 days is NOT years. The only time God in His Word tells us to apply a day=year timing is only WHERE He shows us to do that. Nothing in the Rev.12 Scripture tells us to apply that kind of formula. But in Daniel and Ezekiel there is. The mad looseness of arbitrarily applying a day=year formula to everywhere else in God's Word is confusion, and it's a favorite practice of numerologists and occultists that practice mysticism with God's Word.
That first mention of a 1260 days period represents the first half of Daniel's final "one week" (Dan.9:27). That is for the very end of this world, not back at Christ's crucifixion, and certainly not back at Satan's original rebellion. Nor does it represent a 1260 YEAR Church Age.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan,
which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
That war in Heaven and Satan's casting down to the earth with his angels is for the last days just prior to Christ's coming, our times. We are even given a type marker with, "which deceiveth the whole world", which connects to events about that dragon in the next chapter of Rev.13. In that 9th verse Christ is even giving us the very identity of the 'dragon' of Rev.13 as being Satan himself.
Moreover, the idea of Satan and his angels being cast to the earth, with their place no more being found in Heaven means they are cast to only one other possible dimension of existence, this earthly dimension. They're coming here to this earthly dimension we are in for the last days, which is what causes the greatest tribulation the earth has ever known, or ever will know.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
When that war happens sometime in our near future, Satan will no longer be able to appear before God's Throne like he did in the Book of Job to accuse us before God. That's why those Salvation and rejoicing events will happen in Heaven after his casting out in our near future. This is why we're also given another time marker immediately after that event in the next verse, with those who overcome that dragon by the Blood of The Lamb Jesus Christ by their Testimony. That has nothing to do with Satan's original time of casting out nor the time of Christ's crucifixion. That's about tribulation timing of those who are to be delivered up to give a Testimony for Christ during the coming tribulation. It's one of the 7 signs our Lord Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse about the very end of this world just prior to His return.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
And there's yet another great tribulation time marker with that "short time", linked with the "short space" about the beast king of Rev.17. The devil and his angels are going to be literally cast down to this earth for the coming tribulation. Daniel 12:1 gives a parallel account of this war in Heaven when the Archangel Michael stands up (makes a stand). Right after Michael does that, a tribulation marker is given in Dan.12:1 also. And I don't think our Lord Jesus could make it any more plain with this Woe warning.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
Well, that can't be about Satan first casting out in the time of old, because that "woman" which represents Israel didn't exist yet, and nor was her "man child" (Christ Jesus) born through woman's womb yet. Can't say this started only after Pentecost either, since Satan has been persecuting God's people from the beginning all the way back to Genesis, when God said He would put 'emnity' between the two seeds. This event of the war in Heaven and Satan being cast to the earth is a marker for the middle of Daniel's "one week". That "one week" is for the end of days, not the time back at Christ's crucifixion. Christ is not that 'he' of Dan.9:27.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
There's that 1260 days period again, given as "a time, and times, and half a time". That's the last half of the coming tribulation timing. The Dan.9:27 "one week" is equal to a period of 7 years per the 70 weeks prophecy. Two times 1260 days equals a period of 7 years, for those who can't figure numbers very well. That's the time period of Dan.7:25 that the saints are given to be persecuted in the last days prior to Christ's coming. It is not about a whole 2,000 years Church Age prophecy. This is for the very end of this age, a final period of the last generation upon this earth. That's also the 1260 days time when God will send His two witnesses to Jerusalem to prophesy against the final beast kingdom (Rev.11). That's 1260 + 3.5 literal days prior to Christ's coming on the 7th trumpet - 3rd woe period.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
(KJV)
Ah, the flood. Wonder what that is?
Everyone of these events were fulfilled during the time of Christ.
Danial 9:
[sup]24[/sup] “ Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.
Afraid not!
The 70 weeks prophecy was given about the children of Israel and Jerusalem. So let's be specific like the Daniel prophecy is.
Has Jerusalem's transgression finished yet today? What about Israel's transgressions? Of course not, especially if one takes an honest look at what's happenning with the orthodox Jews in Israel getting ready to start up abominations of Old Covenant style worship in Jerusalem again! One must be very blind to think that shows Israel's and Jerusalem's transgressions are finished today!
Has Israel and Jerusalem quit sinning today? NOPE! Most of the Jews in Israel STILL believe Jesus of Nazareth was a seditionist come to overthrow the law of Moses and the leadership of Israel. Their sins are NOT covered still.
Has Christ made a reconciliation for the iniquity of Israel and Jerusalem today? Again NOPE, for that would mean He covers their sin even WHILE the unbelieving Jews still refuse Him as The Saviour! That would be idiotic to think their sins are covered, especially when those Jews think they still need to build another temple and do animal sacrifices again!
What about everlasting righteousness? Has Christ brought that for Israel and Jerusalem today? Again a BIG NO. Let's not be stupid, for the Jews and Jerusalem rejected Christ Jesus AND HAD HIM CRUCIFIED! They would do it again today if they had opportunity. The OT prophets declare when that everlasting righteousness for Israel and Jerusalem will occur. It will happen only AFTER Christ's future LITERAL return to Jerusalem when He takes reign with a rod of iron.
The vision and prophecy for Israel and Jerusalem thus is not yet sealed up (finished). It should be very obvious.
The anointing of the Most Holy involves Christ's future thousand years temple of Ezekiel 40 forward. Afterall, the prophecy is about Israel and Jerusalem specifically.
So like I said before, if you believe all that was fulfilled back at Christ's crucifixion and resurrection, or sometime after like 70 A.D., then you might as well join in the one world government hosts today that want you to think all that is fulfilled. You might as well practice bowing now to the coming false king of the world they're planning to setup on earth at Jerusalem in our near future.
If you can't fathom how the false doctrines you're on come from Satan's camp to get your attention off the coming events upon this earth with a great tribulation, then you deserve to be deceived.