'So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption,
and this mortal shall have put on immortality,
then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,
Death is swallowed up in victory.'
(1 Corinthians 15:54)
Hello
@Davy,
My chief reason for starting this thread was to establish the truth expressed in 1 Corinthians 15:54, as to when death is swallowed up in victory. Which is not at death as many suppose, but at the Resurrection.
Yes, I understand that. No problem.
* There is more than one resurrection spoken of in Scripture, two are spoken of in relation to the beginning and end of the 1000 year reign, but they are but two, I believe that the Scriptures speak of more, as I have said previously.
Like I said in my last post, I'm speaking of the "resurrection of damnation" which is about the raising of the wicked dead on the day of Christ's return along with the "resurrection of life". This per John 5:28-29.
* The event recorded in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, concern 'the dead in Christ' and 'those that are alive and remain', there is no mention of the unbelieving dead being raised on that occasion.
That's right, but that doesn't erase what our Lord Jesus said in John 5:28-29 that shows there will be a "resurrection of damnation" on the day of His coming also. We are not to pick'n'choose Scripture, accepting one and not another. Often The Gospel Books do not mention all events that are to take place on the day of Christ's coming. That's why it's obvious He gave us His Revelation through His servant John.
* John 5:28-29 do not give an indication of when the resurrection referred to will take place,
Well, yes it does. The
"for the hour is coming" phrase is simply about that future day, the very point in time when,
"all that are in the graves shall hear His voice, And shall come forth". He is emphatically speaking of the last day of this world at His 2nd coming. That is when the dead will come forth to their respective resurrection. Apostle Paul had this hope of both resurrections also as you showed in Acts 24:15..
* Where we are not told 'when' a resurrection will occur: or when the time is indicated by the words, 'the hour', or 'the last day', or 'in the day', which refer to an indeterminate period of time; we cannot know for certain when, within that period of time, the resurrection referred to will occur.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
No, you cannot change the hour that our Lord Jesus gave for both resurrection types on the day of His 2nd coming.
1 Thess 4:16-17
16 For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
KJV
I know that does not mention the dead of the "resurrection of damnation". I think I made that clear. But in the John 5:28-29 version, Jesus did mention the "resurrection of damnation" coming forth then, and He made it clear.
In the following John 5 Scripture, our Lord Jesus gave a comparison between the dead who 'hear' His voice vs. the event when all in the graves shall hear His voice and come forth...
John 5:24-29
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
That above event Jesus was speaking of the resurrection that happened on the day of His crucifixion, no doubt from His going to the "spirits in prisons" and preaching The Gospel to them, and leading those who would 'hear' out of the heavenly prison (1 Peter 3 & 4; Isaiah 42:7). That "and now is" is a time marker for His day, not the last day He will cover here next.
26 For as the Father hath life in Himself; so hath He given to the Son to have life in Himself;
27 And hath given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of man.
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV
That
"hour is coming" above in the 28-29 verses is different, because it includes "all that are in the graves" coming forth, meaning the wicked dead also. Jesus is specific too, because He declared those coming forth then include those of the "resurrection of damnation".
So I really don't understand why brethren don't recognize that John 5:28-29 event as written, as our Lord Jesus even gave us a contrast right there between it on the last day and the resurrection that occurred on the day of His crucifixion.