'Death is swallowed up in victory' -When?

[Earburner]

Ah yes! The believer, the 'saint', has also been made <partaker in> Christ's "Reign .. The Thousand Years THIS The First Resurrection"! God gave the Redeemed - His Chosen - to RULE / REIGN over evil and sin for which God gave them His Holy Spirit as their portion of His "divine nature".

It is remarkable that we agree this much with one another, Earburner while actually disagreeing totally, just because you believe the lost dead are not raised in Judgement Day "in the Resurrection of ALL"-- as though the death of the lost excludes their (temporary) resurrection to receive the wages of sin unmixed with the mercy of God the Judge in the Last Day.

For a moment, let's consider what it might be like, as how we think about the GWTJ, and how it might commence over resurrected "flesh and blood" only, standing before God, an all consuming fire:
"Ahem...., okay... next?
Oh, its you Johnny B Goode!
Hmmm, lets see now, its written here in the book that yo....
Hey! Where did you go??

Ooopps! Sorry about that!
You guys catch on fire pretty fast!!
Oh well...
Next?"

 

[CadyandZoe]

"What is the second death?"
2 Thes. 1[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

So then, since the second death is everlasting destruction, then the second death involves the physical aspects of our existence, not the spiritual aspect. Even so, the first resurrection is also physical.

 

[CadyandZoe]

The Bible nowhere is talking about an empty cross standing upright.

You lost me.

 

[Joseph77]

So then, since the second death is everlasting destruction, then the second death involves the physical aspects of our existence, not the spiritual aspect. Even so, the first resurrection is also physical.

OR
both physical AND spiritual,
as it is written, not as men construe or explain if different from God's Meaning.

 

[Earburner]

No one here is doing what you claim!
I clearly did say:
"If you are NOW "a partaker of the divine nature", then you are a participant in Christ's Resurrection, and have been given the Gift of eternal life, through His Holy Spirit, which is the token of His promise that we shall be bodily changed/resurrected into His likeness of Immortality."

We who believe in Christ's sacrificial death and His Resurrection into New Life, do follow Him in His resurrection, as He told us to do!
John 3[6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[7] Marvel not that I said unto thee,
Ye must be born again.

>Iows, Jesus Who was Spirit became flesh.
And through faith in Him,
We who are flesh, have become Spirit.

Paul said this in Phil. 3[10] That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

But Paul also said this about those who care not to partake (have part) or know the power of His Resurrection:
2 Tim. 3[5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Iows, there are many who believe in Jesus, but they ARE NOT "partakers of the divine nature", and unfortunately, they are fulfilling Romans 8:9 unto themselves, and shall be declared by Christ to be "none of His". See also Matthew 7:23.
Not because they didn't believe in Jesus, but rather they never followed Him [correctly] in/by the power of His resurrection, and therefore they never were born again by His Holy Spirit.
All of such are not blessed, nor are they holy. For one is only made to be holy, if the Holy Spirit of God has been gifted to them by God. Luke 11:13

Therefore, for those who are born again:
"Blessed and holy is he [are they] that hath part in the first resurrection [who is Christ]: on such
the second death hath no power.

 

[Earburner]

So then, since the second death is everlasting destruction, then the second death involves the physical aspects of our existence, not the spiritual aspect. Even so, the first resurrection is also physical.

Mat. 10[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in *hell.

*hell is the grave.

 

[Earburner]

^ And if you recall both death and hell (the grave) will end up IN the lake of fire.
Rev. 20[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life [who is Jesus]
was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[CadyandZoe]

No one here is doing what you claim!
I clearly did say:
"If you are NOW "a partaker of the divine nature", then you are a participant in Christ's Resurrection, and have been given the Gift of eternal life, through His Holy Spirit, which is the token of His promise that we shall be bodily changed/resurrected into His likeness of Immortality."

We who believe in Christ's sacrificial death and His Resurrection into New Life, do follow Him in His resurrection, as He told us to do!
John 3[6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[7] Marvel not that I said unto thee,
Ye must be born again.

>Iows, Jesus Who was Spirit became flesh.
And through faith in Him,
We who are flesh, have become Spirit.

Paul said this in Phil. 3[10] That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;

But Paul also said this about those who care not to partake (have part) or know the power of His Resurrection:
2 Tim. 3[5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Iows, there are many who believe in Jesus, but they ARE NOT "partakers of the divine nature", and unfortunately, they are fulfilling Romans 8:9 unto themselves, and shall be declared by Christ to be "none of His". See also Matthew 7:23.
Not because they didn't believe in Jesus, but rather they never followed Him [correctly] in/by the power of His resurrection, and therefore they never were born again by His Holy Spirit.
All of such are not blessed, nor are they holy. For one is only made to be holy, if the Holy Spirit of God has been gifted to them by God. Luke 11:13

Therefore, for those who are born again:
"Blessed and holy is he [are they] that hath part in the first resurrection [who is Christ]: on such
the second death hath no power.

Resurrection always refers to being raised from the dead. It never refers to being born again or partaking of the divine nature. Jesus was crucified on a cross. He died and was buried in a tomb. And three days later God raised him from the dead. Death, burial, resurrection. Death, burial, resurrection.

John 5:28-30
28 Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29 and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

In the tombs >>> Resurrection.
When? >>> hear his voice.

 

[Joseph77]

excerpts from Blue Letter Bible online:
"On our first entrance upon a Christian profession, we are met by the ordinance of baptism, which teaches the necessity of purification. Baptism is, in its very form, a washing, and its teaching requires cleansing of the most thorough kind. It is a burial, in which the man is viewed as dead with Christ to sin, and is regarded as rising again as a new man. Baptism sets forth, as in a picture, the union of the believer with the Lord Jesus in his baptism of suffering, and in his death, burial, and resurrection. By submitting to that sacred ordinance, we declare that we believe ourselves to be dead with him, because of his endurance of the death penalty, and dead to the world and to the dominion of sin by his Spirit; at the same time, we also profess our faith in our Lord's resurrection, and that we ourselves are raised up in union with him, and have come forth through faith into newness of life. It is a very impressive and vivid symbol, but it is without meaning unless we rise to purity of life."

Christ’s Resurrection and Our Newness of Life by C. H. Spurgeon

"A Sermon
(No. 2197)
Delivered on Lord's-day Morning, March 29th, 1891, by
C. H. SPURGEON,
At the Metropolitan Tabernacle, Newington

"Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."- Rom 6:4

I HAVE AFORETIME preached upon the whole verse,* so that this morning I shall take the liberty to dwell chiefly upon the latter part of it-"Like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

The idea that the grace of God should lead us to licentiousness is utterly loathsome to every Christian man. We cannot endure it."

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

For a moment, let's consider what it might be like, as how we think about the GWTJ, and how it might commence over resurrected "flesh and blood" only, standing before God, an all consuming fire:
"Ahem...., okay... next?
Oh, its you Johnny B Goode!
Hmmm, lets see now, its written here in the book that yo....
Hey! Where did you go??

Ooopps! Sorry about that!
You guys catch on fire pretty fast!!
Oh well...
Next?"

Reflecting three things: 1) No Scripture; 2) No logic; No comprehension. In other words, self-proven bull.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

excerpts from Blue Letter Bible online:
"On our first entrance upon a Christian profession, we are met by the ordinance of baptism, which teaches the necessity of purification. Baptism is, in its very form, a washing, and its teaching requires cleansing of the most thorough kind. It is a burial, in which the man is viewed as dead with Christ to sin, and is regarded as rising again as a new man. Baptism sets forth, as in a picture, the union of the believer with the Lord Jesus in his baptism of suffering, and in his death, burial, and resurrection. By submitting to that sacred ordinance, we declare that we believe ourselves to be dead with him, because of his endurance of the death penalty, and dead to the world and to the dominion of sin by his Spirit; at the same time, we also profess our faith in our Lord's resurrection, and that we ourselves are raised up in union with him, and have come forth through faith into newness of life. It is a very impressive and vivid symbol, but it is without meaning unless we rise to purity of life."

Christ’s Resurrection and Our Newness of Life by C. H. Spurgeon

"A Sermon
(No. 2197)
Delivered on Lord's-day Morning, March 29th, 1891, by
C. H. SPURGEON,
At the Metropolitan Tabernacle, Newington

"Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."- Rom 6:4

I HAVE AFORETIME preached upon the whole verse,* so that this morning I shall take the liberty to dwell chiefly upon the latter part of it-"Like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

The idea that the grace of God should lead us to licentiousness is utterly loathsome to every Christian man. We cannot endure it."

Your post is proof of the power of money. Yes, you read correct, money. That Edition would not even have been thought of to be written or released (and sold one way or the other) by the millions, had it not been for the religion which financed it and in the first place employed and paid the human mental robots programmed to do the harlot church's job for her. How so? <<Delivered on Lord's-day Morning, March 29th, 1891>> was not on the Lord's Day but on the harlot's day! And that's enough proof; a good brain needs but halve a grain to catch the train.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

You lost me.

It isn't the subject of this thread, but a fact in any case. Protestantism still adheres to Roman Catholicism in many things and ways. Also about the resurrection of the dead which they have made such a mess of they are rightly called Babylon.

 

[Cooper]

'Behold, I shew you a mystery;
We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
and this mortal must put on immortality.
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption,
and this mortal shall have put on immortality,
then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written,
Death is swallowed up in victory.

'O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore, my beloved brethren,
be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord,
forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.'
(1 Corinthians 15:55)

Hello there,

I have begun a study on resurrection, and began with reading through 1 Corinthians 15, a wonderful chapter on that subject.

The verses above show clearly that it is at the moment of our resurrection from the dead that death for us will be swallowed up in victory. Not at the moment of our death, but at our resurrection from the dead, which is yet to come.

Do you have any comment.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

It tells us in that same verse (highlighted).
But when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. (1 Corinthians 15:54 ASV)

The above verse is a quote from Isaiah 25:8 and it gives me such a thrill.

He hath swallowed up death for ever (Jesus); and the Lord Jehovah will wipe away tears from off all faces; (who will wipe away our tears? Jesus!) and the reproach of his people will he (Jesus) take away from off all the earth: for Jehovah (Jesus) hath spoken it.
.

 

[Taken]

All of your "thinking" in the above, is derived through your "natural man/mind", and NOT what the Spirit is meaning in what is said/written.

No.
We are notified ahead of time, WHAT every individual's judge-MENT "WILL BE", but an individual Does NOT Receive Judge-MENT, until AFTER that individual Appears Before the Judge-MENT seat of Christ.

2 Cor 5:
[10] For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

IF

...you are NOW "a partaker of the divine nature", then you are a participant in Christ's Resurrection, and been given the Gift of eternal life, through His Spirit, which is the token of His promise that we shall be bodily changed/resurrected into His likeness of Immortality.

Yes, everything is Dependent upon, "IF".

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Joseph77]

That Edition would not even have been thought of to be written or released

?????? you are confusing.....

On theblueletterbible site, I use the KJV texts and references -

that edition is said to be the most accurate by millions of bible scholars , both KJV only (which I don't recommend) and simply KJV readers.

 

[CadyandZoe]

^ And if you recall both death and hell (the grave) will end up IN the lake of fire.
Rev. 20[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life [who is Jesus]
was cast into the lake of fire.

I get that. My efforts in this thread, however, are to answer the OP question. When is death swallowed up in victory? Anyone reading this thread will probably get a good idea as to the answer. But lately, I have once again run across, what I would consider to be a misinterpretation of Revelation 20, which confuses "new life in Christ" or "being born again" with the concept of "resurrection". Both of these concepts are Biblical; both of them are true. But they are different, not the same thing.

Do you see them as two different things or are they the same thing in your view?

 

[Joseph77]

I get that. My efforts in this thread, however, are to answer the OP question. When is death swallowed up in victory? Anyone reading this thread will probably get a good idea as to the answer. But lately, I have once again run across, what I would consider to be a misinterpretation of Revelation 20, which confuses "new life in Christ" or "being born again" with the concept of "resurrection". Both of these concepts are Biblical; both of them are true. But they are different, not the same thing.

Do you see them as two different things or are they the same thing in your view?

Three different things, or more? - "new life in Christ". , "born again" , "concept?" of resurrection ?? , "Revelation 20" , ... ... ...

Anyhow, the OP answered the question in the OP, clearly -
When is death swallowed up in victory ,
Scripture clearly says, as the OP quoted :
=======================================
QUOTE=
... ... ...
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,

and we shall be changed.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
and this mortal must put on immortality.
... ... ...
[/QUOTE
====================================

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Three different things, or more? - "new life in Christ". , "born again" , "concept?" of resurrection ?? , "Revelation 20" , ... ... ...

Anyhow, the OP answered the question in the OP, clearly -
When is death swallowed up in victory ,
Scripture clearly says, as the OP quoted :
=======================================
QUOTE=
... ... ...
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,

and we shall be changed.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption,
and this mortal must put on immortality.
... ... ...
[/QUOTE
====================================

All good, all true. All God's Word is like that; it is a two-edged Sword that cuts in every which way to the dividing of marrow and bone or whatever spiritual that has more than one application though one the same meaning. What you have stated here above is FIRST TRUE IN AND OF THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST, and thereafter of the resurrection of all-- of the wicked in the resurrection of condemnation and of the redeemed in the resurrection of life - Eternal, Life!

 

[Davy]

So then, since the second death is everlasting destruction, then the second death involves the physical aspects of our existence, not the spiritual aspect. Even so, the first resurrection is also physical.

The first death is the death of our flesh body.

The "second death" is the destruction of one's "spiritual body" with soul into the future "lake of fire". The abode of the wicked dead called Hades is often called "hell" in the KJV, and it is destroyed also into that future "lake of fire" per the end of Rev.20.

We each have 3 parts, even right now:

1. flesh body -- this is our earthly tabernacle or house. It is not the real us.
2. spiritual body -- this is our spirit body inside our flesh body, not made with hands but eternal in the heavens (heavenly dimension).
3. soul -- this is our person, or id. It is what makes each soul a separate individual and individually accountable.

When our flesh dies, it goes back to the earth where it came from. We are finished with it forever. That is the 1st death.

But our spiritual body with soul continues back to God Who gave it. We are then judged to one side of Paradise or the other, like Lazarus and the rich man that Jesus described in Luke 16.

Our outward image likeness in the heavenly dimension is our "spiritual body".

The destruction of one's spiritual body with soul is the "second death", a casting into the future "lake of fire". The "second death" has nothing to do with destruction of the flesh.