'Death is swallowed up in victory' -When?
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It is bound to happen when someone <<from God's perspective>> tries to <perceive>.
No matter how many times the Earcreeper maintained << ↑ I perceive that there will be no physical resurrection of the wicked dead!>>, THERE SHALL BE JUST BECAUSE SCRIPTURE SAYS.
Like Cooper said: ↑ What about the sheep and the goats when they come before the Judgment Seat and Jesus says "I never knew you."!
God's perspective of our salvation is, "For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son'. After that everything is a gift also, but a gift FROM God, "so that whoever believes in Him shall have everlasting life" given him.
The caterpillar doesn't get 'born again', it is the 'cocoon' changed / evolved <marvellously> into the 'new creature' the caterpillar, just like
<<"The natural man" (is) physically born>> from the flesh literally as well as spiritually, and yes, therefore is <<born dead to God- Caterpillar stage>. Beautiful analogy, he shall eat of trees allowed and disallowed, the rusper!
So the caterpillar eats and eats so that it can develop into a cocoon, where man will eat himself to death and into his cocoon-coffin and grave.
But with man it's not like with caterpillars. All caterpillars follow the same route to the same destiny. But for man there's this difference that God loved even the caterpillars so much that He gave his Son to save man and the world of caterpillars cocoons and butterflies from extinction---SO THAT...
<<"Born again by His Holy Spirit", having part in Christ's Resurrection->>, the SAVED, the ELECT [<<Butterfly stage>>], are
<<"Changed into His likeness">> eating and living of the nectar of the Lily of Immortality. "He feedeth me among the lilies."
Upon Christ's return, "all the dead" will be made alive - resurrected to life. That's what's WRITTEN!
1. "some will be resurrected to the resurrection of life" - eternal life on earth with the saved who will be "alive at His Coming".
2. And "some will be resurrected to the resurrection of condemnation" ... the "wicked" "part" of "all the dead" "WHO HAVE / HAD NO PART IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION THIS THE THOUSAND YEARS".
Davy
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According to what Apostle Paul taught in 2 Corinthians 5 and 1 Corinthians 15, our flesh body is a totally different dimension of existence than the "spiritual body". For this reason also, Lord Jesus showed in John 3 that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. That is about two distinct and separate operations in two distinct and separate realms of existence.
1 Cor 15:42-54
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
The resurrection is about a "spiritual body", NOT a new flesh body, nor even the raising of our old flesh body. When our flesh dies we are done with it, forever.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
This above verse confirms what was just said. The first Adam means those born in the flesh. God puts our spirit into a flesh body and we becoming a living soul, meaning in the flesh. But the last Adam represents the final state 'without flesh', which is the state of a quickening spirit. Paul is referring again to the "spiritual body" by that, which he just covered in the previous verse.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
We are first born into the flesh, which that "natural" represents the idea of flesh. But at death of the flesh, then the "spiritual body" manifests in that other dimension called the heavenly.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Apostle John referring to our final state as the sons of God, said at present we don't know what we shall be, but when Jesus returns we know we will see Him as He is, and we shall be like Him (meaning with a spirit body similar to His, which is what Paul's "last Adam" idea represents).
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
In the above Paul makes this very, very plain and simple. As we have borne the image of the earthy, which is about our flesh body, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly, which is about the "spiritual body".
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
And to make it even more plain for the knuckleheads out there, Paul proclaims strongly that flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom, just as a body of corruption (flesh) cannot inherit a body of incorruption (spiritual body). That goes back to what Lord Jesus said in John 3 that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. In other words, flesh does not come from Spirit, and spirit does not come from the flesh. They are two separate and distinct operations.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
On the last day of this present world when Jesus comes on that "last trump" (7th), all those alive on earth will be 'changed' to the spiritual body at the twinkling of an eye (fast as you can blink an eye). A section of the Isaiah 25 chapter refers to this for ALL peoples, not just Christ's Church. Those of the resurrection are already in their spiritual bodies, as Jesus will bring those with Him when He comes (per 1 Thess.4).
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
KJV
Paul quoted this from Isaiah 25 about death being swallowed up in victory. This reveals more as to what the Isaiah 25 Scripture was about with the vail being removed from all peoples on that day.
But Paul is covering 2 separate changes required to have eternal Life through Christ Jesus. We must put on the body of incorruption, which is the spiritual body, AND something else inside us that is liable to perish must put on immortality through Faith on Jesus Christ. That something else is about our soul.
The true Scripture definition of a 'soul' is not some flesh body idea from OT Scripture like Gen.2:7. The idea of becoming a 'living soul' is about God placing our spirit inside a flesh body, not animate spirit like plants have, but a spiritual body with a soul placed inside a flesh body. Our soul is our id or person, and it is always... attached to our spiritual body. Our spiritual body is simply our "image of the heavenly" that manifests when our flesh dies.
In 2 Cor.5, Apostle Paul taught that if our earthly tabernacle (house) were dissolved, then we still have a building not made with hands, meaning not of the flesh, but eternal in the heavens. He was speaking of the "spiritual body". You already... have it today, inside your flesh body. At flesh death it is loosed, which is what Solomon explained in Ecc.12:5-7 involving the "silver cord". We each have a "silver cord" that keeps our spiritual body with soul attached to our flesh body. At death it is severed. Our flesh then goes back to the earth where it came from, and our spirit (spiritual body with soul) goes back to God Who gave it.
So the idea that our dead loved ones are literally asleep in caskets in the ground is an old orthodox Jewish fable carried on even by some Christian Churches today. Our dead loved ones are in the heavenly, their "spiritual body" manifested already. That is how Jesus will bring those with Him when He comes as written in 1 Thess.4.
1 Cor 15:42-54
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
The resurrection is about a "spiritual body", NOT a new flesh body, nor even the raising of our old flesh body. When our flesh dies we are done with it, forever.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
This above verse confirms what was just said. The first Adam means those born in the flesh. God puts our spirit into a flesh body and we becoming a living soul, meaning in the flesh. But the last Adam represents the final state 'without flesh', which is the state of a quickening spirit. Paul is referring again to the "spiritual body" by that, which he just covered in the previous verse.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
We are first born into the flesh, which that "natural" represents the idea of flesh. But at death of the flesh, then the "spiritual body" manifests in that other dimension called the heavenly.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
Apostle John referring to our final state as the sons of God, said at present we don't know what we shall be, but when Jesus returns we know we will see Him as He is, and we shall be like Him (meaning with a spirit body similar to His, which is what Paul's "last Adam" idea represents).
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
In the above Paul makes this very, very plain and simple. As we have borne the image of the earthy, which is about our flesh body, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly, which is about the "spiritual body".
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
And to make it even more plain for the knuckleheads out there, Paul proclaims strongly that flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom, just as a body of corruption (flesh) cannot inherit a body of incorruption (spiritual body). That goes back to what Lord Jesus said in John 3 that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. In other words, flesh does not come from Spirit, and spirit does not come from the flesh. They are two separate and distinct operations.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
On the last day of this present world when Jesus comes on that "last trump" (7th), all those alive on earth will be 'changed' to the spiritual body at the twinkling of an eye (fast as you can blink an eye). A section of the Isaiah 25 chapter refers to this for ALL peoples, not just Christ's Church. Those of the resurrection are already in their spiritual bodies, as Jesus will bring those with Him when He comes (per 1 Thess.4).
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
KJV
Paul quoted this from Isaiah 25 about death being swallowed up in victory. This reveals more as to what the Isaiah 25 Scripture was about with the vail being removed from all peoples on that day.
But Paul is covering 2 separate changes required to have eternal Life through Christ Jesus. We must put on the body of incorruption, which is the spiritual body, AND something else inside us that is liable to perish must put on immortality through Faith on Jesus Christ. That something else is about our soul.
The true Scripture definition of a 'soul' is not some flesh body idea from OT Scripture like Gen.2:7. The idea of becoming a 'living soul' is about God placing our spirit inside a flesh body, not animate spirit like plants have, but a spiritual body with a soul placed inside a flesh body. Our soul is our id or person, and it is always... attached to our spiritual body. Our spiritual body is simply our "image of the heavenly" that manifests when our flesh dies.
In 2 Cor.5, Apostle Paul taught that if our earthly tabernacle (house) were dissolved, then we still have a building not made with hands, meaning not of the flesh, but eternal in the heavens. He was speaking of the "spiritual body". You already... have it today, inside your flesh body. At flesh death it is loosed, which is what Solomon explained in Ecc.12:5-7 involving the "silver cord". We each have a "silver cord" that keeps our spiritual body with soul attached to our flesh body. At death it is severed. Our flesh then goes back to the earth where it came from, and our spirit (spiritual body with soul) goes back to God Who gave it.
So the idea that our dead loved ones are literally asleep in caskets in the ground is an old orthodox Jewish fable carried on even by some Christian Churches today. Our dead loved ones are in the heavenly, their "spiritual body" manifested already. That is how Jesus will bring those with Him when He comes as written in 1 Thess.4.
AMEN. The Ear sees not, nor <perceives>, but seeks to jippo hell it seems.
Earburner
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But first one must help Moses' understanding of what "the breath of life" really is.
Yes, without "the breath of life, millions of newly created living cells, in every organ within Adam, would have died in short order, if God didn't immediately follow through, by administering "the breath of life" into his nostrils/airways and lungs.
However, in Genesis 6:17 and Genesis 7:22 it appears that "the breath of life" was equally common for all, and water or any other physical alternative that entered into one's "air ways", definitely caused one to become an UN-living soul!
Might one hazard a guess, as to what
"the breath of life" really is?
The common Hebrew word for "soul" , in the above references, is "nephesh", meaning " animal soul" or "animal life".
Earburner
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^Oh, and I almost forgot, Genesis 2:7. The word for "soul" there, is also "nephesh" in the Hebrew.
CadyandZoe
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Everywhere the translation has "spiritual" substitute the word "supernatural". Right now, we have a body that was naturally produced, i.e. the product of the union of our mother and father. Then we will have a body produced supernaturally by God.
Earburner
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It is apparent that the words "I never knew you", was known of well in advance, before any far flung, fictitious futuristic line up of judging of anyone.
You just don't get it!
The jugment for those who remain in Adam, is DEATH!
The judgment for those who converted in Christ, is LIFE!
Simply put....John 3:18.
And the ultimate conclusion, of which book determines who goes where is:
Rev. 20[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
I hope that you are not thinking that there really is a literal book called "the book of life".
Earburner
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Yes, God created Adam and then Eve, who both had seed within them, for the beginning of procreation of the human race.
Surely you don't think that God is actively creating each and every "seed" generated human and animal, do you?
Earburner
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If you continue thinking with the "religious spin on it" as you do, then you are going have to conclude that all animals are equally endowed with a soul.
KJV- Genesis 6:17 and Genesis 7:22.
Earburner
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1. Amen!
2. Isa. 49[16] Behold, I have graven (inscribed-written) thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me. Luke 10[20] Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.
3. That is your form of belief.
However, God ordained it in the day of Adam's Creation, that his seed is within himself, just as it is also for all life, that procreates by its own seed.
Earburner
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^ Btw, concerning item #1, in order for anyone to be "born again", they each must receive God's seed, being that of His Holy Spirit. Luke 11:13 and Romans 8:8-9.
Davy
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No! When Apostle Paul speaks of the subject of a "spiritual body" in 1 Corinthians 15:44, here is the Greek for it...
NT:4152
pneumatikos (pnyoo-mat-ik-os'); from NT:4151; non-carnal, i.e. (humanly) ethereal (as opposed to gross), or (daemoniacally) a spirit (concretely), or (divinely) supernatural, regenerate, religious:
KJV - spiritual. Compare NT:5591.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
Even the NT:4151 word it is derived from points to the idea of 'spirit'. So YOU... need to heed exactly what the KJV says, because Paul included more info to make SURE what he taught there would be understood. That other info are the 1 Corinthians 15:48-50 verses which clearly explain he was talking literally about a spirit body, and body of the heavenly.
If you think that flesh body is the 'real' you, then when it dies, 'you' would be dying with it. God's Word does NOT teach any such idea as that. The false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" are who that teach that LIE. So you can listen to them and perish if that's what you want. But Jesus showed in Matthew 10:28 and elsewhere that the 'soul' continues after flesh death. And Solomon in Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 also showed this indirectly, for our soul is connected to that spirit that goes back to God at flesh death. In other words, the SOUL is NOT a part of the flesh!
FALSE!
<<by administering "the breath of life" into his nostrils/airways and lungs>> God created Adam a SINLESS, PERFECT FIRST HUMAN "THAT VERY BONE DAY SAME DAY" the Sixth Day of God's SINGLE creation act "IN THE BEGINNING, GOD....".
There is no sense and no good at all in discussing anything of God with you. You're a scoundrel.
Davy
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To my Christian brethren NOT influenced by Judaizers (Jewish converts to Christ that still follow a lot of old Pharisee doctrines. The first Judaizers were the Pharisee converts to Christ that Apostle Paul had to deal with in Galatians).
I have been to funerals where the casket of the deceased had to be closed because their flesh was so shriveled up appearing totally unlike their normal life image. Instead a picture would be placed on top of the casket. And then with some eulogies the preacher would start preaching the vanity of how that person was in that casket, and will be literally asleep in the ground, their flesh awaiting the day of resurrection through Christ Jesus. That idea is vanity.
God's Word teaches that we have also a "spiritual body", a body not made with hands (meaning not flesh), eternal in the heavens (2 Corinthians 5:1-3; 1 Corinthians 15). I have seen mocking Judaizers here on this forum that mock even what our Lord Jesus showed on this in Matthew 10:28, where He showed the idea of the 'soul' is about a part of us that continues after flesh death, and that man cannot kill it, only God can in the future lake of fire. What is it that makes these Jews not want to believe our Lord Jesus and Apostle Paul on this matter? Why are they so dependent upon their flesh?
I am certain, that when Lord Jesus returns, they will learn their error on this matter, and will realize how they have been listening not to Him in His Word, but instead of men's doctrines of the Judaizers.
I have been to funerals where the casket of the deceased had to be closed because their flesh was so shriveled up appearing totally unlike their normal life image. Instead a picture would be placed on top of the casket. And then with some eulogies the preacher would start preaching the vanity of how that person was in that casket, and will be literally asleep in the ground, their flesh awaiting the day of resurrection through Christ Jesus. That idea is vanity.
God's Word teaches that we have also a "spiritual body", a body not made with hands (meaning not flesh), eternal in the heavens (2 Corinthians 5:1-3; 1 Corinthians 15). I have seen mocking Judaizers here on this forum that mock even what our Lord Jesus showed on this in Matthew 10:28, where He showed the idea of the 'soul' is about a part of us that continues after flesh death, and that man cannot kill it, only God can in the future lake of fire. What is it that makes these Jews not want to believe our Lord Jesus and Apostle Paul on this matter? Why are they so dependent upon their flesh?
I am certain, that when Lord Jesus returns, they will learn their error on this matter, and will realize how they have been listening not to Him in His Word, but instead of men's doctrines of the Judaizers.
You have a post that might just be full of hot air ? (puffed up knowledge perhaps ?) , but no posted substance..... I haven't seen you quote anyone who is a Judaizer by any Biblical definition.. but of course, I have not likely read all of your posts....
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