God created each animal according to its kind as the bible clearly says
Debunking the big bang theory
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God created each animal according to its kind as the bible clearly says
No I've already said that I'm in engineering. I respect science and understand it more than you do. You only believe the mainstream atheists instead of listening to the counter arguments that non atheists have.
I challenge you to listen to the arguments against made by scientists
Bible never says the earth is flat. The rest of the stuff you mention is written metaphorically. Not literally
And see, even though I've showed you scientists disputing evolution you refuse to listen to their case
On the other hand I've looked at both sides of the argument. I was once an atheist because I believed in the theory of evolution. I'm greatful to God for opening my eyes to research it objectivley and seeing it for what it is. Nothing more than assumptions made by atheists eager to disprove God
Praise be to God
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Grailhunter
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I think it all was created by God, but He guided millions of years of evolution, and it had to start somewhere. Hopefully you do not think the world is flat.
Grailhunter
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Just gave you the reason that scientists think it all started from one cell.
Well seeing a mutation occur would be a big thing. But it is only a matter of time, but even when they do, what does it prove. But God can cause mutations and that is my consciences.
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I seriously doubt that you understand science more than I and there are a lot Christians that believe in evolution that are not atheist. Are you an atheist because you do not believe the world is flat?
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LOL
The scriptures detail the earth as stationary and flat, shaped like a cracker and on a foundation. According to the scriptures the earth has a foundation …. that was set on pillars that could be shaken but the earth could not move and the sun and moon moved around it….and if an object was tall enough it could be seen from the four corners of the earth because the earth was flat….and it had corners….and the sun and moon can stop traveling around the flat earth…. and heaven has windows.
1st Chronicles 16:30
Tremble before him, all the earth! The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved….. (They believed that the Earth did not rotate or move….. everything… sun, moon, and stars, orbited around the earth.)
Psalm 104:5
He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.
1st Samuel 2:8
He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap; he seats them with princes and has them inherit a throne of honor. For the foundations of the earth are the LORD’s; on them he has set the world.
Daniel 4:11
The tree grew large and became strong And its height reached to the sky, And it was visible to the end of the whole earth. The earth would have to be flat for the tree to be visible from the whole earth.
Isaiah 11:12
He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth….
Revelation 7:1
After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree…..The earth has corners,
Job 28:24
For he looks to the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.
Job 37:3
He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth……..the earth has ends?
Jeremiah 51:16
When he utters his voice there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, and he makes the mist rise from the ends of the earth. He makes lightning for the rain, and he brings forth the wind from his storehouses.
John 17:24
Father, I desire that they also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory that you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world.
Proverbs 30:4
Who has ascended to heaven and come down? Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has wrapped up the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth?
Psalm 19:4-6
Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes out like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and, like a strong man, runs its course with joy. Its rising is from the end of the heavens, and its circuit to the end of them, and there is nothing hidden from its heat.
Psalm 67:7
God shall bless us; let all the ends of the earth fear him!
Psalm 98:3
He has remembered his steadfast love and faithfulness to the house of Israel. All the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God.
Jeremiah 16:19
O Lord, my strength and my stronghold, my refuge in the day of trouble, to you shall the nations come from the ends of the earth and say: “Our fathers have inherited nothing but lies, worthless things in which there is no profit.
1st Samuel 2:10
The adversaries of the Lord shall be broken to pieces; against them he will thunder in heaven. The Lord will judge the ends of the earth; he will give strength to his king and exalt the power of his anointed.”
Psalm 19:4
Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun,
(The ends of the world…..the ends of the earth….the four corners!! This was a big concern with sailors….that they would fall off the end of the world.)
Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened……(windows in the filament?)
Genesis 7:2
The fountains of the deep and the windows of the heavens were closed, the rain from the heavens was restrained,
Isaiah 24:18
He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit, and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.
Proverbs 8:29
And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.
Psalms 75:3
When the earth totters, and all its inhabitants, it is I who keep steady its pillars.…(the earth set on pillars?)
Job 9:6
Who shakes the earth out of its place, and its pillars tremble;
Ecclesiastes 1:5
The sun rises, and the sun goes down, and hastens to the place where it rises……(there is a place where the sun rises?)
Habukkuk 3:11
The sun and moon stood still in their place at the light of your arrows as they sped, at the flash of your glittering spear.
Joshua 10:12-13
At that time Joshua spoke to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, “Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day……
It would be that the earth stopped rotating not the sun and moon stopping.
Over the years science has proven a lot of what in the Old Testament is true. But there is the human perspective of trying to explain and understand some events.
Grailhunter
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I understand the debate. There are people that believe in creationism that are not Christians and there are Christians that believe in evolution. It is called freedom of belief.
You just said it yourself. They THINK.
A mutation creating a new species has never been observed as you just rightly said.
So your belief in mainstream secular science is in vain
Obviously you don't believe it.
You choose to believe atheists instead.
Science is my job. You have shown very little understanding of it even failing to recognise the difference between practical and theoretical science.
There would be very few Christian scientists that believe in evolution. It's a theory propagated by atheists.
Metaphorical. That's why no Christian church believes the earth is flat, none of them interpret that as being literal.
And I still didn't see the words "flat earth" anywhere in that scripture
The sad part is that you choose to blindly believe the atheist lies without even listening to your own brethren Christian scientists that oppose evolution.
Do yourself a favour and listen to the other side of the debate because macroevolution has never been observed
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Again you know very little about science, the Bible or history. So you do not know that up to the middle ages people in general and Christians believed the earth was flat. You need to look how Galileo was persecuted by the church because he tried to explain that the earth was not flat and the celestial bodies other than the moon did not revolve around the earth.
I still can't believe you said this.
These are your words.
You've refuted yourself.
This is not science.
This is not observation.
This is speculation.
This is wishful thinking.
This is assumption.
This is hopeful.
That's what your belief is based on.
Not on any observable science.
Just believing the secular mainstream.
Without even listening to the opposing arguments made by scientists.
I can see that you definitely don't understand science.
I'm in engineering so I know exactly what science should be or else I wouldn't have a job.
What makes you think it's only a matter of time...
Man has been breeding animals for thousands of years such as dogs and farm animals. We do see mutations resulting in different breeds. But a chicken is still a chicken and a dog is still a dog. No new species has ever been observed coming from another.
Humans have been around for even longer. We see mutations in different colour eyes, skin, hair. But no new species has evolved. A human is still a human.
Macroevolution has never been observed.
It's only speculated by atheists eager to disprove God. And that's who you blindly believe instead of actually listening to scientists that oppose evolution.
And the fact that they teach this at school as if it's true is an absolute disgrace to society l. It pulls many people away from God as it did with me in the past and countless others. The least they can do is explain that it's just a theory that could be wrong and present opposing arguments and the case for intelligent design
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That's correct. And there can be transitions within each species, as you also have mentioned.
I also think creation or intelligent design should be taught in the schools. It's a shame that the theory of evolution is taught as being true, brainwashing the kids.
Of course I don't think the earth is flat.
Have you debated the flat earthers here? Just curious.
Flat Earth Theory
Here you go: Your argument is based on biblical misinterpretation, slander and insults while being unable to answer fundamental questions such as this. Flat earth theory says that all the stars rotate counter clockwise around the north star, Polaris. But this is false. While it's true in...
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""I also think creation or intelligent design should be taught in the schools."""That's correct. And there can be transitions within each species, as you also have mentioned.
I also think creation or intelligent design should be taught in the schools. It's a shame that the theory of evolution is taught as being true, brainwashing the kids.
Of course I don't think the earth is flat.
Have you debated the flat earthers here? Just curious.
Flat Earth Theory
Here you go: Your argument is based on biblical misinterpretation, slander and insults while being unable to answer fundamental questions such as this. Flat earth theory says that all the stars rotate counter clockwise around the north star, Polaris. But this is false. While it's true in...
YES, teach the kids both sides of the debate in a calm unbiased way.
That's what I really hate the most about all this. Their indoctrinating the kids to pull them away from God. It would be best for a millstone to be hung around their necks and thrown into the sea.
I know alot about the evolution lie. I was an atheists because i believed it. But I did so much research on it for so long, listened extensively to both sides of the argument and realised that its all based on assumptions and speculation, being pushed by God hating atheists.
Most people just believe what the mainstream says without even listening to the opposing arguments and evidence.
Anyway that's why I'm passionate about this subject. I hate that people are being pulled away from God by these lies, especially the kids.
I'm greaful to God for opening my eyes and shinning the light on my path back to Him.
Institute for Creation Research...some interesting articles and a video here.
Grailhunter
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WOW a lot of words but you really did not say anything. The time frame of collecting fossils and considering evolution has been about one hundred years and the technology to observe it about 50 years and DNA 20 years.....evolutional changes.....take millions of years.
At this point evolution is not a theory, there are facts about it that are theory. But definitely God driven.
We don't want to teach our kids that the world is flat and suns fall to the earth and the universe revolves around our planet. If you are concerned about them teaching your children that God did not make everything, put them in a Christian school....petty simple choice....use your head.
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