Waiting on him
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I still can’t for the life of me understand why Christians want to rule over the dung heap
Defending Homosexuality
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Fortunately, God has a higher and less "flexible" standard. He judges all by His standard--not that of men. The law in several states has decided it is just dandy to kill infants moments before natural birth. That is murder of the innocent--do you not think God will judge that? I hate what God has declared to be evil. Men can pass all kinds of laws permitting what is clearly evil but I will NEVER agree that a true Christian will or should praise it.
Waiting on him
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Proverbs 16:4 KJV
[4] The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
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[4] The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
Tecarta Bible
If you are comparing the Bride of Christ to the hypocrites among Jesus' enemies, you have said something that you will ultimately regret.
Waiting on him
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Again, none of the verses you give say God supports or condones homosexuality. You have created this notion no doubt to satisfy your perversion.
God established the seat of government. It doesn't mean all laws passed by man are from God. An evil generation passes evil laws. They pass laws that are against God. Homosexuality and queer marriages are just such laws. God's law is clear about homosexuality and queers. (Lev. 20:13) (Lev. 18:22)
Nebuchadnezzar had passed a law. When certain music was to be played all were to fall and worship the image that represent him. (Dan. 3:10-11) But Meshach, Shadrach, and Abed-nego refused to obey. (Dan. 3:12) (Dan. 3:18) Why did they refuse? Because the law was in conflict with the laws of God.
And, Daniel also. Darius of the Medes and Persians made a similar law. (Dan. 6:7-9) As soon as Daniel heard of it, he immediately set himself to break that law. (Dan. 6:10)
In both these instances the believers recognized that there were laws they would not obey as they were against God. They in turn submitted to the powers in accepting the judgement for disobeying the laws.
In other words, your effort to say God has established laws supporting homosexuality is a lie. Perverted mankind has established such laws. Your list of Scriptures do nothing to prove your point.
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God says many things are an abomination. Haven’t read through all the post here but is anyone one saying sin is right. Or are they saying it is no different than all the other sins and that we have no reason to be high on their sin being so much heavier than our own. not that you will care or listen but ...if others were to cast stones at a woman caught in sin....I’m pretty sure you would defend her against her tormentors as He did. But how about when we become the tormentor. You keep slinging the word “queer” as if poking for an reaction when God said all sin is corruptible.
Luke 9:54-56
[54] And when his disciples James and John saw this , they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? [55] But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. [56] For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them . And they went to another village.
You know not what manner of spirit you are of. What does that mean?
Well, are they an abomination or not?
Before you issue words of chastisement, perhaps you should read all the posts here.
I see you have not accused skywriting of slinging the word 'gay'. Why not?
After you read all the posts, then I will answer your question, if you believe then it is still relevant. I believe I started at post #(567) on p. 29.
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Correct!
God Established;
Precepts, Statutes and Laws.
Neh 9:
[14] And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:
Gods Precepts ~ establish a Favorable Behavior "BETWEEN" men.
Men can hear, read, learn, Gods Precepts intermingled throughout Written Scripture;
And adopt those Precepts as their own when intermingling WITH OTHER PEOPLE, or NOT, and otherwise intermingle with OTHER PEOPLE, according to their OWN devised precepts.
(And BTW, Gods Precepts have NOT Changed from the Beginning of man TO this day, HOW God Himself, laid out HIS PLAN, of Gods OWN Acceptable Behavior "BETWEEN" man and man.)
Gods Statutes ~ establish a Favorable Behavior "BETWEEN" men and God Himself.
Men can hear, read, learn, About God that men Can KNOW ABOUT Him. Men being naturally Curious Creatures, with the ultimate Goal of Men, surpassing merely KNOWING About God, "TO" men "Knowing God".
(And BTW, Gods Statutes have NOT Changed from Beginning of man To this day, HOW God Himself, laid out HIS PLAN, of Gods OWN Desire, for men to KNOW ABOUT Him, and Come to "KNOW" Him.)
Gods Laws ~ establish a WAY, direction, path, road FOR men to acknowledge, observe, lean toward, decide to travel, walk, and NOTICE;
The bumps, the hurdles, the roadblocks,
And NOTICE;
How God HELPS the willing to Overcome
The bumps, the hurdles, the roadblocks;
And NOTICE;
Bit by bit, Step by step, HOW a LAW, applies to an individual, Doesn't apply to an individual, Becomes Fulfilled unto the individual.
And NOTICE;
Once a Law IS Fulfilled, It's Accomplished, MOVE On, there is Always MORE one can accomplish that Glorifies God.
MEN ALSO establish;
Precepts, Statutes, Laws;
And TWO THINGS;
1) Some men establish such Precepts, Statutes, Laws....UNDER and WITHIN the umbrella and Confines of:
Gods Precepts, Statutes, Laws:
2) Some men DO NOT establish such Precepts, Statutes, Laws....Under and Within the umbrella and Confines of:
Gods Precepts, Statutes, Laws.
THE HIGHLIGHT...
NO man IS SUBJECT TO:
Gods Precepts, Statutes, Laws....
UNTIL such man;
AGREES to Be SUBJECT TO such things.
The confusion:
Men ARE Subject to GOD, whether or not They Believe IN God.
Men WHO believe, and AGREE to be Subject to Gods Precepts, Statutes, Laws....
Must first know WHAT those things ARE...
And KNOW HOW to Fulfill those things.
Men WHO do NOT believe, and Do NOT Agree, Become (by default) SUBJECT to the NEGATIVE consequences.
NO FREE man IS SUBJECT TO:
Mans Precepts, Statutes, Laws...
UNTIL such man;
AGREES to BE SUBJECT TO such things.
(Noting the word FREE. Men IN Indenturment, Prison, Bondage, Slavery, are LIMITED, in TOTAL, or PARTIAL, of exercising THEIR OWN Agreement).
WHEN ~ MEN IN Governing Authority ESTABLISH
Precepts, Statutes, Laws...
THAT DO NOT FALL Under or Within Gods Established Precepts, Statutes, Laws...
NO FREE MAN IS REQUIRED To AGREE, To Advocate, To Participate in or to Be Subject To such Precepts, Statute, Law.
Skywriting IS ATTEMPTING to TEACH...IF Man Establishes (A LAW).... MEN MUST Obey the Law.
Whereas the FACT IS; MEN ARE NOT Compelled, Forced, Required BY LAW TO MAKE THEMSELVES SUBJECT TO A LAW, that GOES AGAINST Gods Teaching.
And THAT ^ is the understanding Of;
Acts 5:29 (b)
[29] Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Acts 5 :29 (b)[29] We ought to obey God rather than men.
The Law making authority of MEN is established Among men, representing the Government, to WHICH THEY ARE Bound by the Confines of the Constitution.
When MEN go outside of those BOUNDARIES and Create LAWS, Greater than what God Provides as a Boundary...
The Government CAN NOT FORCE a man "NOT UNDER the Governments Subject matter Jurisdiction," TO COMPLY with such Law.
Again....it is about APPLICABILITY!
Some of mens laws ALLOW for Abortions.
Yet NOT every female SUBJECTS themselves to being required to participate in Abortions.
And there are Physicians WHO DO NOT MAKE themselves SUBJECT to being required to perform Abortions.
Some mens laws ALLOw for a (pseudo, so called LEGAL) Marriage between the Same Sex individuals.
Yet NOT ALL SAME SEX individuals SUBJECT themselves to being required to participate in Marrying another of the SAME sex.
And there are Clergy WHO DO NOT MAKE themselves SUBJECT to being required to perform Marriage Vows between two individuals of the Same Gender.
NOTHING whatsoever in Scripture Directs People of the SAME GENDER to Travel a Road, To enter into a Marriage Contract.
IN FACT, God calls such thing, According to Him, An Abomination.
And Ya, ya, Men try to JUSTIFY, Sin is Sin, Everyone has Sinned, and a Homosexuals Sin is no greater or lesser than any other SIN.
Which "IF"....a BIG "IF", men Understood the Gravity of Homosexuality, they would THEN Understand, WHY it is Highlighted, According to God, as an Abomination.
FYI ~ Abomination meaning;
A "THING" that causes DISGUST or HATRED.
So, thus People should Have a incling: When God says something is an ABOMINATION...
Hint, Hint...
His reaction toward the perpertrator shall BE DISGUST and HATRED.
And ya, ya... The next thing is for men to BRING UP LOVE. God is Love. God Loves all of His Creations. No argument there.
Gods LOVE does NOT MEAN, men are without being subject to Consequences for their Choices and Behavior, that are in DEFIANCE of Gods OWN teaching.
Glory to God,
Taken
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In the UK you could be arrested for calling somebody a 'queer' It would be counted as a hate crime because it is derogatory. We are not supposed to use such terms even if we disagree with their lifestyle.
God "CREATED"...AND
"MADE"...All things for Himself.
YES!
The ORDER of Gods Creations...
Begins FIRST, With His Creations.
Thereafter the Individual Creations, BECOME "MADE".
"THE" ....Created thing becoming "MADE" reveals the "the POWER of GOD" effecting the "Created" THING.
The Earth was Created...but YET UNTIL God Exercied HIS POWER Over the EARTH...
There was NO EARTH to BE seen or recognized.
Earth is Dry Land.
In the beginning, EARTH was WITHIN WATER.
BY Gods POWER the EARTH (Dry Land) was raised UP ABOVE the Water.
Gen 1
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit {power}of God moved upon the face of the waters.
AND WHAT?
Gen 1
[9] And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
[10] And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
Same with MANKIND.
Man Created....and the Created man, THEN MADE, By the Power of God.
[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
So FIRST, God Created man...then MADE the man, By His Power.
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 2
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became {was made} a living soul.
Man was created from the Existing Earth.
Formed from the dust of the Earth.
And WHAT? That man could see, stand, hear, talk, taste, touch, feel, have thoughts, have emotions? No.
No. That man was CREATED with the capabilities.....but NONE of those capabilities were IN EFFECT.....UNTIL, BY the POWER of God, God "MADE" those capabilities EFFECTED.
It is Always Creation First....THEN something being MADE pertaining to the specific Creation.
Not a big secret, NO MAN "asked" to BE Created a Natural man, OR "asked" to BE Made a Living man, with sight, hearing, taste, touch, speech, or emotions.
Nor is it a secret, God Created Everything for His Pleasure. And God gave His Kinds of Things CALLED "MAN"...(despite God being Invisible)...for ALL men:
1) to have FREEWILL in their own Choices.
2) to have a WAY to BELIEVE IN God.
3) to have a WAY to NOT Believe IN God.
4) And Foretold Consequences for an Individuals Mans Choices, whatever they be.
God IS JUST.
Whatever a MAN Chooses;
To be WITH God
OR
To be AGAINST God
God WILL "MAKE" His created man, HAVE what the MAN Desires.
So HOW can a MAN AGAINST GOD perpetuate, instigate, advocate FOR ANYTHING AGAINST GOD, that WOULD 'ultimately" BE Pleasing to God?
IN THE BIG PICTURE....
DIVISION is the "ULTIMATE" Goal.
DIVISION between those WITH God and those AGAINST (without) God.
"CURRENTLY" the DIVISION is Happening...
HOWEVER...the Men WITH God, are still MINGLED with men Against God, both occupying the Same Earth.
A man WITH God, CAN NOT "YET" SEE their GOD, nor always live in the Flesh, IN HARMONY with MEN, AGAINST GOD.
"ULTIMATELY" the DIVISION SHALL come into Fruition.
Whereby, MEN with God, CAN SEE their GOD, LIVE with their God ON EARTH, "WITHOUT" ANY MEN WHO ARE AGAINST God.
Men WHO ARE Currently AGAINST GOD, ARE perpetuating, encouraging, advocating for others to JOIN with them; which Basically IS THEM "IDENTIFYING" THEMSELVES as the WEEDS and CHAFF.
It is likened to a man who IS the Gardener and sees the herbs and weeds all mixed together, and then noticing, the herbs do not resemble the weeds, and the weeds do not resemble the herbs....thus the Division of knowing Which to PLUCK UP for something Good, and Which to CUT and BURN.
How Convenient should a WEED shout, you hoo... I'm a Weed.
Not much different than a MAN shouting, you hoo... I'm Against God.
Glory to God,
Taken
I would say a firm no to hating any human being. Hating someone is like drinking poison and hoping that the hated person dies. But hating the evil deeds is aligning ourselves with God in hating what He says He detests. He says He hates the shedding of innocent blood--that is why I hate abortion. But I do not hate the abortionist--I hope he or she comes under the conviction of the Holy Spirit and stops doing the evil deed. That is also my prayer.
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There used to be a saying many years ago which you don't hear so much these days, it was, 'Love the sinner but hate the sin.' And I believe that. Unless people carryout these to us, horrible practises knowing that they are against God's word they are not guilty. Sin is only sin if you know it's sin. We have our consciences geared up to recognise sin for what it is but non-believers aren't so finely attuned.
I would probably be arrested for the guns I own also, if I was in England. Or California, or New York.
Why do they get to call themselves 'gay'? My how they have perverted that word.
Stranger
Yes they have, gay used to be a word that meant merry and happy but you can't use it like that anymore as it's been hijacked. If people want to be 'gay' then that's their choice but why do they have to be so in your face about it. Surely our sexuality is a private matter but they flaunt it and that's what gets me.
Homosexuality is not a 'different standard of normality'. It is 'abnormality'.
I have no love for those who are enemies of God and seek to pervert His Word.
You're not allowed to love the world are you?
Stranger
They flaunt it because they know people like you and me detest it. Because God detests it.
They really think they are doing their own thing. That they will choose the way they want to go and no one can tell them otherwise. They are so duped. They don't realize that they are homosexual because they are under the judgement of God. Homosexuality is itself a judgement from God upon a people. (Rom. 1:26-27) God has literally turned them over to it. Yet they think they are 'free spirits'.
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