Desolating Abomination

[daq]

Both wonderful and terrible things take place in the heart! The most terrible of all is the "abomination of desolation" spoken of by Daniel the prophet. The word in the Greek New Testament translated as "abomination" appears only three times in the Gospel accounts. Two of those occurrences are found in the companion chapters Matthew 24 and Mark 13. This means that technically speaking the word is only used on two occasions by the Master in the Gospel accounts because Matthew and Mark record the same statement from the Olivet Discourse. After the Gospel accounts it occurs only in the Book of the Revelation of Yeshua.

Matthew 24:15 KJV
15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination (GSN#946 bdelugma) of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, ( whoso readeth, let him understand: )

Mark 13:14 KJV
14. But when ye shall see the abomination (GSN#946 bdelugma) of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, ( let him that readeth understand, ) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

Original Strong's Ref. #946
Romanized bdelugma
Pronounced bdel'-oog-mah
from GSN0948; a detestation, i.e. (specially) idolatry:
KJV--abomination.

The KJV word for "abomination" in the Greek is the same GSN#946 "bdelugma" in all three instances. Yeshua then only used it twice, (or possibly the Hebrew-Aramaic equivalent) because Matthew 24 and Mark 13 are companion passages. Thus Yeshua only used the word for "abomination" on two separate occasions; and because one of them is a direct quote from Daniel, whom Yeshua clearly states to be a prophet, we can be certain that the other occasion is highly significant in regards to the true meaning of the "abomination of desolation" written in the Book of Daniel. The usage the same word only twice, as recorded in the Gospel accounts, strongly implies that both instances denote the very same meaning as interpreted by the Master himself.

The question then becomes whether or not one is willing to accept the teaching and doctrines of Messiah in this regard, that is, if the same word is found elsewhere and does not agree with the eschatology of the modern prophecy scholars and shepherds? Yeshua clearly states in the second usage of "bdelugma" that the abomination concerns men and the condition of the heart. And we know from the Strong's definition above that the word means IDOLATRY just as does the Hebrew word used in Daniel for "abomination" in the passages concerning the abomination of desolation. The passage in Luke is the only other place in the Gospels where the word is employed in the Greek:

And the passage in Luke should be SOBERING ...

Luke 16:13-15 KJV
13. No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
14. And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him.
15. And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination (GSN#946 bdelugma) in the sight of God.

The same word does not occur again until the Revelation:

Revelation 17:4-5 KJV
4. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations (GSN#946 bdelugma) and filthiness of her fornication:
5. And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS (GSN#946 bdelugma) OF THE EARTH.

Revelation 21:27 KJV
27. And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, (GSN#946 bdelugma) or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

According to the usage of "bdelugma" in the Gospel accounts the Greek word concerns individual people and the idolatrous condition of the heart. According to the usage of the same "bdelugma" found in the Book of the Revelation of Yeshua it still concerns individual people and the idolatrous condition of the heart. And Yeshua is he that searches the reins and hearts. :)

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

Sorry my friend ...... It is a huge stretch to interpret the abomination as something in the heart.


Jesus said when you see the abomination ..... yada yada .....


Best wishes

 

[tgwprophet]

The Abomination of Desolation is an event whereas an un-clean thing is taken into the inner-sanctum of the Temple. This action will soon hapopen when the Beast eters the inner-sanctum after the Temple is built again and the inner-sanctum is built. This is an event!

 

[daq]

Sorry my friend ...... It is a huge stretch to interpret the abomination as something in the heart.


Jesus said when you see the abomination ..... yada yada .....


Best wishes

Perhaps it all depends on what the Master means by "see" when he says "see"? For clearly he states in Luke that the Kingdom of God does not come by observation. This kind of "observation" is "visual-ocular evidence" meaning "to be seen with the eyes of the flesh" and is purely physical in nature. This he states because the Kingdom of God is within us:

Luke 17:20-21 KJV
20. And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: [GSN#3907 parateresis]
21. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Original Strong's Ref. #3907
Romanized parateresis
Pronounced par-at-ay'-ray-sis
from GSN3906; inspection, i.e. ocular evidence:
KJV--obervation.

And the Master continues with the following statement to his own disciples:

Luke 17:22 KJV
22. And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see [GSN#1492 eido] one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see [GSN#3700 optanomai] it.

This kind of supernal "seeing" is also expounded in John:

John 16:7-19 KJV
7. Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9. Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10. Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see [GSN#2334 theoreo] me no more;
11. Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
16. A little while, and ye shall not see [GSN#2334 theoreo] me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see [GSN#3700 optanomai] me, because I go to the Father.
17. Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see [GSN#2334 theoreo] me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see [GSN#3700 optanomai] me: and, Because I go to the Father?
18. They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith.
19. Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye inquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see [GSN#2334 theoreo] me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see [GSN#3700 optanomai] me?

The world cannot "optanomai-see" the Master because they walk not according to the Spirit but rather according to the mind and the eyes of the flesh. Thus, the world is always looking and watching to "theoreo-see" the physical signs and unfortunately miss the supernal signs given; which supernal things are the true reality in the age of those who walk according to the Spirit:

Revelation 1:7 KJV
7. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see [GSN#3700 optanomai] him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

See now I have allowed the Testimony of Yeshua to form my doctrine … :)

The Abomination of Desolation is an event whereas an un-clean thing is taken into the inner-sanctum of the Temple. This action will soon hapopen when the Beast eters the inner-sanctum after the Temple is built again and the inner-sanctum is built. This is an event!

Yes it is most certainly an "event" (each in his or her own appointed times and none shall be alone in his appointed times) and we are given the supernal signs to watch for when the appointed time approaches because the man is the temple. The same signs are given in the Matthew 24 and Mark 13 companion passages and they go hand in hand with the seven abominations from Proverbs:

Proverbs 6:16-19 KJV
16. These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17. A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19. A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Notice which one "doubles up" and returns?
It is the lying tongue which comes back as the false witness.
That one gives place to the devil according to the Epistle to the Ephesians:

Ephesians 4:17-27 KJV
17. This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18. Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19. Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20. But ye have not so learned Christ;
21. If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22. That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23. And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24. And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25. Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27. Neither give place to the devil.

In fact the "false witness" spirit of abomination actually in the Hebrew "BREATHES" out lies:

Proverbs 6:19 RSV (Revised Standard Version)
19. a false witness who breathes out lies, and a man who sows discord among brothers.

Proverbs 6:19 YLT (Young's Literal Bible)
19. A false witness [who] doth breathe out lies - And one sending forth contentions between brethren.

Sound familiar? :)

Revelation 13:15 RSV
15. and it was allowed to give breath [GSN#4151 pneuma] to the image of the beast so that the image of the beast should even speak, and to cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.

Revelation 13:15 YLT
15. and there was given to it to give a spirit [GSN#4151 pneuma] to the image of the beast, that also the image of the beast may speak, and [that] it may cause as many as shall not bow before the image of the beast, that they may be killed.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

The Abomination of Desolation is an event whereas an un-clean thing is taken into the inner-sanctum of the Temple. This action will soon hapopen when the Beast eters the inner-sanctum after the Temple is built again and the inner-sanctum is built. This is an event!

terry ..... I lean toward that interpretation as well

daq .... you are all over the place ...... and printing out half the bible on a topic that is off topic in the debate does not bolster your case.

the way I understand it you claim the abomination is simply something in somebodies heart right ???? Yes or No ... and please dont print out the other half of the bible .... you're just using it as a smokescreen to set the stage of a strange new teaching or something.

at least it looks that way to me .... sorry

Best wishes

 

[daq]

terry ..... I lean toward that interpretation as well

daq .... you are all over the place ...... and printing out half the bible on a topic that is off topic in the debate does not bolster your case.

the way I understand it you claim the abomination is simply something in somebodies heart right ???? Yes or No ... and please dont print out the other half of the bible .... you're just using it as a smokescreen to set the stage of a strange new teaching or something.

at least it looks that way to me .... sorry

Best wishes

Well at least now I know that your opinion, (yada yada) is what is most important to you in proving the things you state. As for myself what is most important is the Word of Life. So while it might seem that my posts are "all over the place" to one such as yourself the Word is to me rather my Life and my very being. These things are not some "weekend warrior" or "prophecy buff hobby" kind of thing to me but rather my eternal rewards in Messiah being lived out in the now. h34r: :)

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

daq ..... you dodged the question ..... do you think the abomination of desolation is simply something in somebodies heart ?

It sounds like that is what you were trying to imply.

 

[Rocky Wiley]

hi daq,
Welcome to our forum.

You speak of:


Revelation 17:4-5 KJV
4. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations (GSN#946 bdelugma) and filthiness of her fornication:
5. And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS (GSN#946 bdelugma) OF THE EARTH.


Your post is right on the money and I would like to add to it if I may. You mentioned 'Mystery Babylon' above and it can be proved by scripture that would be God's people, the Jews of that time. Also it is known as Jerusalem site of the temple.

According to the books written by Josephus, 'The Wars of the Jews',
http://archive.org/details/wars_of_the_jews_0908_librivox
in Book V it speaks of the six months prior to being surrounded by the Roman army. It was controlled by three different groups of Jews called zealots and they had divided the city into three areas and were fighting among themselves for control of it and the Temple. Almost all of Jerusalem was destroyed by these zealots and 3 years of food supply had been wiped out by them. By the time the Roman army arrived, there were three walls to penetrate, Outer, Inner, and the Wall around the temple. The Roman army did not want to destroy the temple, but even when they had taken all of Jersusalem and the temple was the only thing left to conquer. The zealots finally accepted surrender, but they demanded that they be allowed to leave and go home untouched. The Roman General refused and set the door of the temple on fire, just to be able to break into it, but once the silver therein melted it burnt up everything in the temple completely.

The abomination happened when the zealots were fighting among themselves, because there was stealing and murder going on in the temple and they even begin making the sacrifices instead of the Priests. The zealots were evil man and that would be represented by the number 6. There were three groups, thus 666.

 

[daq]

Hi Rocky, thank you for the warm welcome. :)
Please allow me, (for now) to respond to what Arnie said above:

daq ..... you dodged the question ..... do you think the abomination of desolation is simply something in somebodies heart ?

It sounds like that is what you were trying to imply.

That is not what I say but what Yeshua implies with the statement already quoted:

Luke 16:15 KJV
15. And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The body is the Temple and the heart is the Altar:

1 Corinthians 6:19 KJV
19. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

This teaching comes not only from Messiah but directly from (supernal) Torah:

Exodus 25:1-9 KJV
1. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
2. Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: of every man that giveth it willingly with his heart ye shall take My offering.
3. And this is the offering which ye shall take of them; gold, and silver, and brass,
4. And blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen, and goats' hair,
5. And rams' skins dyed red, and badgers' skins, and shittim wood,
6. Oil for the light, spices for anointing oil, and for sweet incense,
7. Onyx stones, and stones to be set in the ephod, and in the breastplate.
8. And let them make me a sanctuary; [miqdash] that I may dwell among them.
9. According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, [mishkan] and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

"Let them make me a miqdash-sanctuary-chapel that I may dwell among them; According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the Mishkan-Tabernacle" …

And if we do this with a willing heart there is a promise:

Ezekiel 11:14-16 KJV
14. Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
15. Son of man, thy brethren, even thy brethren, the men of thy kindred, and all the house of Israel wholly, are they unto whom the inhabitants of Jerusalem have said, Get you far from the Lord: unto us is this land given in possession.
16. Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord God; Although I have cast them far off among the heathen, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet will I be to them as a little sanctuary [miqdash] in the countries where they shall come.

The Most High will be for a "little miqdash-sanctuary-chapel" to us in all the countries and lands wheresoever we go …

Revelation 21:22 KJV
22. And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

Deuteronomy 11:18-21 KJV
18. Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, [supernal] that they may be as frontlets between your eyes [supernal].
19. And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
20. And thou shalt write them upon the door posts of thine house, [supernal] and upon thy gates: [supernal]
21. That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the Lord sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.

And where is the supernal Altar that we are to build unto the Most High? I quote the large amount of text below only to show that the two statements at the end of the post are within the very same context and are therefore companion statements:

Exodus 20:18-24 KJV
13. Thou shalt not kill.
14. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15. Thou shalt not steal.
16. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
18. And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
19. And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
20. And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.
21. And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.
22. And the Lord said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.
23. Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.
24. An altar of earth [HSN#0127 'adamah] thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.

Deuteronomy 5:17-30 KJV
17. Thou shalt not kill.
18. Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
19. Neither shalt thou steal.
20. Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
21. Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.
22. These words the Lord spake unto all your assembly in the mount out of the midst of the fire, of the cloud, and of the thick darkness, with a great voice: and he added no more. And he wrote them in two tables of stone, and delivered them unto me.
23. And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
24. And ye said, Behold, the Lord our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.
25. Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any more, then we shall die.
26. For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?
27. Go thou near, and hear all that the Lord our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the Lord our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear it, and do it.
28. And the Lord heard the voice of your words, when ye spake unto me; and the Lord said unto me, I have heard the voice of the words of this people, which they have spoken unto thee: they have well said all that they have spoken.
29. O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!
30. Go say to them, Get you into your tents again.

The following are therefore contextual "companion" statements:

Exodus 20:24a
24. An altar of 'adamah-earth-soil thou shalt make unto me ...

Deuteronomy 5:29a
29. O that there were such an heart in them ...

Make yourself therefore an altar of the 'adamah-soil of the Parable of the Sowers heart! :)

 

[Brothertom]

The Abomination that makes desolate is a person, a man.

"And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months.
Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven.
It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them.
And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation."

Whoever does not worship him as Yahweh/Allah...will be killed

"Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frtcher bullogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the BEAST and out of the mouth of the FALSE PROPHET. For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."

He will set up a temple worship in Jerusalem, possibly at the Dome of the Rock....declaring himself to be God while cruelly blaspheming Christ Jesus...& the making desolate...is murdering everyone who will not worship him. Also...he will butcher everyone on Earth of Jewish blood....& this is why he marches on Israel....& the Lord gathers him to the valley of Miggido, just below Mt. Carmel. Murder, Jihad will come upon the entire Earth....& it is God who allows this beast to test the Earth....& believe it or not, coming to a Walmart near you.

He will control a new World-Wide money system, & the mark of the Beast will only be given to those who worship him, & you cannot buy food, water, heating energy & essentials without this mark...& this will last 42 months...at least.

“Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”

And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon."

THE END OF THE ABOMINATION....
The beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.

And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh."


JESUS WINS....of course.

 

[tgwprophet]

Once again into the breech... The Abomination of Desolation transpires when an un-clean thing ( this time it will be committed when the Beast - enters the inner-sanctum of the Temple yet to be built. This Beast does this mid-point of Tribulation. Now. as far as the end of the Abomination of Desolation that does NOT occur at Armageddon, but rather when the Temple is cleansed, The Temple is cleansed 2300 days after the Daily Sacrifice was started. This is not an event inside a person - this is a physical event linked to a spiritual event. This abomination of Desolation takes place in Israel at the New temple inside the Inner-Sanctum - mid-point of Tribulation which lasts 7 years and that 7 years IS the SHORTENED time of Tribulations.

And... Jesus did not win... Jesus ALREADY won ! Too bad Satan does not realize the vast difference between his power and the power of the living God, for if he truly did understand he would have spent his time bringing people to Christ instead of trying to take people away from Christ. Even after he spends 1000 years in captivity he will show that he still does not understand. Now consider that Satan with all the years he has been and with the mental ability to captivate 1/3 of the angels and get them to go against Fod and follow him... still does not get it. That means Satan's mind is a frail as the people that follow him.... and he still will not get it, even unto his end... for he lacks one thing... LOVE - LOVE is the greates power of all and God IS Love.

 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, daq.

Perhaps it all depends on what the Master means by "see" when he says "see"? For clearly he states in Luke that the Kingdom of God does not come by observation. This kind of "observation" is "visual-ocular evidence" meaning "to be seen with the eyes of the flesh" and is purely physical in nature. This he states because the Kingdom of God is within us:

Luke 17:20-21 KJV
20. And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: [GSN#3907 parateresis]
21. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Original Strong's Ref. #3907
Romanized parateresis
Pronounced par-at-ay'-ray-sis
from GSN3906; inspection, i.e. ocular evidence:
KJV--obervation.

And the Master continues with the following statement to his own disciples:

Luke 17:22 KJV
22. And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see [GSN#1492 eido] one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see [GSN#3700 optanomai] it.

This kind of supernal "seeing" is also expounded in John:

John 16:7-19 KJV
7. Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9. Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10. Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see [GSN#2334 theoreo] me no more;
11. Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
16. A little while, and ye shall not see [GSN#2334 theoreo] me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see [GSN#3700 optanomai] me, because I go to the Father.
17. Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see [GSN#2334 theoreo] me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see [GSN#3700 optanomai] me: and, Because I go to the Father?
18. They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith.
19. Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye inquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see [GSN#2334 theoreo] me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see [GSN#3700 optanomai] me?

The world cannot "optanomai-see" the Master because they walk not according to the Spirit but rather according to the mind and the eyes of the flesh. Thus, the world is always looking and watching to "theoreo-see" the physical signs and unfortunately miss the supernal signs given; which supernal things are the true reality in the age of those who walk according to the Spirit:

Revelation 1:7 KJV
7. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see [GSN#3700 optanomai] him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

See now I have allowed the Testimony of Yeshua to form my doctrine … :)


Yes it is most certainly an "event" (each in his or her own appointed times and none shall be alone in his appointed times) and we are given the supernal signs to watch for when the appointed time approaches because the man is the temple. The same signs are given in the Matthew 24 and Mark 13 companion passages and they go hand in hand with the seven abominations from Proverbs:

Proverbs 6:16-19 KJV
16. These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17. A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19. A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Notice which one "doubles up" and returns?
It is the lying tongue which comes back as the false witness.
That one gives place to the devil according to the Epistle to the Ephesians:

Ephesians 4:17-27 KJV
17. This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18. Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19. Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20. But ye have not so learned Christ;
21. If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22. That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23. And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24. And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25. Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
26. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
27. Neither give place to the devil.

In fact the "false witness" spirit of abomination actually in the Hebrew "BREATHES" out lies:

Proverbs 6:19 RSV (Revised Standard Version)
19. a false witness who breathes out lies, and a man who sows discord among brothers.

Proverbs 6:19 YLT (Young's Literal Bible)
19. A false witness [who] doth breathe out lies - And one sending forth contentions between brethren.

Sound familiar? :)

Revelation 13:15 RSV
15. and it was allowed to give breath [GSN#4151 pneuma] to the image of the beast so that the image of the beast should even speak, and to cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain.

Revelation 13:15 YLT
15. and there was given to it to give a spirit [GSN#4151 pneuma] to the image of the beast, that also the image of the beast may speak, and [that] it may cause as many as shall not bow before the image of the beast, that they may be killed.

I wish I had a nickel for every time a well-meaning believer misquotes Luke 17:20-22! I'd be a very wealthy man! Do yourself a favor and study this passage in the Greek; don't just look at one or two Greek words and think you understand it.

Kata Loukan 17:20-22
20 Eperooteetheis de hupo toon Farisaioon pote erchetai hee basileia tou Theou apekrithee autois kai eipen, "Ouk erchetai hee basileia tou Theou meta parateereeseoos,
21 oude erousin, 'Idou hoode!' ee 'Ekei!' idou gar hee basileia tou Theou entos humoon estin."
22 Eipen de pros tous matheetas, "Eleusontai heemerai hote epithumeesete mian toon heemeroon tou Huiou tou Anthroopou idein kai ouk opsesthe."
Greek New Testament

20 Eperooteetheis = 20 When-He-was-interrogated
de = but
hupo = under/beneath
toon = the
Farisaioon = P'rushiym/Pharisees
pote = when
erchetai = should-come
hee = the
basileia = kingdom
tou = of-the
Theou = God
apekrithee = He-answered
autois = to-them
kai = and
eipen, = he-said,
"Ouk = "Not
erchetai = comes
hee = the
basileia = kingdom
tou = of-the
Theou = God
meta = amid
parateereeseoos, = visible-evidence,
21 oude = 21 nor
erousin, = shall-they-say,
'Idou = 'Look
hoode!' = here!'
ee = or
'Ekei!' = 'There!'
idou = look
gar = for
hee = the
basileia = kingdom
tou = of-the
Theou = God
entos = within/among
humoon = you (plural)
estin." = is."
22 Eipen = 22 He-said
de = but
pros = toward
tous = the
matheetas, = students/disciples,
"Eleusontai = "Will-come
heemerai = days
hote = when
epithumeesete = you-shall-desire (plural)
mian = one
toon = of-the
heemeroon = days
tou = of-the
Huiou = Son
tou = of-the
Anthroopou = Man
idein = to-see
kai = and
ouk = not
opsesthe." = you-shall-see (plural)."

20 When-He-was-interrogated but under/beneath the P'rushiym/Pharisees when should-come the kingdom of-the God He-answered to-them and he-said, "Not comes the kingdom of-the God amid visible-evidence,
21 nor shall-they-say, 'Look here!' or 'There!' look for the kingdom of-the God within/among you (plural) is."
22 He-said but toward the students/disciples, "Will-come days when you-shall-desire (plural) one of-the days of-the Son of-the Man to-see and not you-shall-see (plural)."

20 But when He was interrogated under the P'rushiym when the kingdom of the God should come He answered to them and said, "The kingdom of the God does not come amid visible evidence,
21 nor shall they say, 'Look here!' or 'There!' for - look! - the kingdom of the God is among you (plural)."
22 But He said toward the disciples, "Days will come when you (plural) shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of the Man and you (plural) shall not see (it)."

So, Yeshua` was first talking to the P'rushiym when He said verse 21; certainly He was not saying that the kingdom of God was within or inside of them! However, the word "entos" carries also the translation "among." And, He was using the plural form of the second person, which we would translate as "y'all" here in the South! He was NOT saying that the Kingdom of God was "within them"; He was saying that the Kingdom of God was already "AMONG them as a GROUP!" Yeshua` was/is the King of the Jews! He IS the King and therefore, since HE was in the middle of them in their interrogation, the KINGDOM was already in the middle of them in their interrogation! They didn't have to wait for some pomp-and-circumstance arrival of the Kingdom; HE WAS ALREADY THERE!

His next statement to the disciples foretold that He was going to leave them in the near future and that they would wish to see one of His days, but it would not happen in their lifetime.

He was NOT telling them that the Kingdom is "invisible" or "inside of a person"; He was telling them that HE was the embodiment of the Kingdom! If you have the King, you have the Kingdom! No King, no Kingdom! This is why He instructed His disciples to pray, "Let thy Kingdom come!" Any kingdom requires three things to be called a "kingdom": It must have a legitimate king; it must have a realm over which the king will rule; and it must have subjects. Isra'el is once again a nation; therefore the realm over which to rule is once again present. We who are willing to be ruled by the Messiah Yeshua` and the Isra'elites who are willing to be ruled by a Messiah are the subjects. The only thing missing for His Kingdom to be realized is the physical presence of the King! When Yeshua` arrives and He is anointed to be King in Isra'el, THEN His Kingdom will begin!

Right now, we are just people who are willing to be His subjects. We can even submit to Him as though He was already reigning in our lives, but He is NOT actually present yet as He will be. It just isn't enough to be a "spiritual" Kingdom nor is that Kingdom "invisible" or "imagined!" It must be CONCRETE, TANGIBLE, and PHYSICAL to fulfill the prophecies about that Kingdom!

So, until the Messiah returns as promised in Acts 1, KEEP LOOKING UP!

 

[daq]

Once again into the breech... The Abomination of Desolation transpires when an un-clean thing ( this time it will be committed when the Beast - enters the inner-sanctum of the Temple yet to be built. This Beast does this mid-point of Tribulation. Now. as far as the end of the Abomination of Desolation that does NOT occur at Armageddon, but rather when the Temple is cleansed, The Temple is cleansed 2300 days after the Daily Sacrifice was started. This is not an event inside a person - this is a physical event linked to a spiritual event. This abomination of Desolation takes place in Israel at the New temple inside the Inner-Sanctum - mid-point of Tribulation which lasts 7 years and that 7 years IS the SHORTENED time of Tribulations.

And... Jesus did not win... Jesus ALREADY won ! Too bad Satan does not realize the vast difference between his power and the power of the living God, for if he truly did understand he would have spent his time bringing people to Christ instead of trying to take people away from Christ. Even after he spends 1000 years in captivity he will show that he still does not understand. Now consider that Satan with all the years he has been and with the mental ability to captivate 1/3 of the angels and get them to go against Fod and follow him... still does not get it. That means Satan's mind is a frail as the people that follow him.... and he still will not get it, even unto his end... for he lacks one thing... LOVE - LOVE is the greates power of all and God IS Love.

How will you keep the sayings of the prophecy of this Book?

Revelation 22:7 KJV
7. Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

And what will you do when you get to this point in your walk?

Revelation 6:9-11 KJV
9. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11. And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

What is at the bottom of the Brazen Altar of Sacrifice?

Exodus 27:1-5 KJV
1. And thou shalt make an altar of Shittim wood, five cubits long, and five cubits broad; the altar shall be foursquare: and the height thereof shall be three cubits.
2. And thou shalt make the horns of it upon the four corners thereof: his horns shall be of the same: and thou shalt overlay it with brass.
3. And thou shalt make his pans to receive his ashes, and his shovels, and his basons, and his fleshhooks, and his firepans: all the vessels thereof thou shalt make of brass.
4. And thou shalt make for it a grate of network of brass; and upon the net shalt thou make four brasen rings in the four corners thereof.
5. And thou shalt put it under the compass of the altar beneath, that the net may be even to the midst of the altar.

The brass grating or "network" at the bottom of the Altar some have suggested was actually underneath and hanging from the bottom while others suggest that the "netting" was just as it is pictured above. Either way the placement of the brass netting is inconsequential to the point being made here. The supernal understanding is that this "netting" represents a "fisherman's net" (just as the "netting" on the two pillars Boaz and Yakin with their pomegranate-fruits) because the Lord himself is the ultimate "Fisher of men" (and the man is the nephesh-soul). And what could be "the foundation" of the Brazen Altar of Sacrifice except but the 'adamah-earth-soil beneath it which we are admonished to make unto the Most High? And this is indeed where the blood of all the sacrifices is to be poured out; for the nephesh-soul is in the blood:

Leviticus 4:18 RSV
18. And he shall put some of the blood on the horns of the altar which is in the tent of meeting before the Lord; and the rest of the blood he shall pour out at [HSN#413 'el] the base [HSN#3247 ycowd] of the altar of burnt offering which is at the door of the tent of meeting.

Original Strong's Ref. #413
Romanized 'el
Pronounced ale
(but only used in the shortened constructive form 'el {el}); a primitive particle; properly, denoting motion towards, but occasionally used of a quiescent position, i.e. near, with or among; often in general, to:
KJV--about, according to ,after, against, among, as for, at, because(-fore, -side), both...and, by, concerning, for, from, X hath, in(-to), near, (out) of, over, through, to(-ward), under, unto, upon, whether, with(-in).

Original Strong's Ref. #3247
Romanized ycowd
Pronounced yes-ode'
from HSN3245; a foundation (literally or figuratively):
KJV--bottom, foundation, repairing

Leviticus 4:25 RSV
25. Then the priest shall take some of the blood of the sin offering with his finger and put it on the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and pour out the rest of its blood at [HSN#413 'el] the base [HSN#3247 ycowd] of the altar of burnt offering.

Leviticus 4:30 RSV
30. And the priest shall take some of its blood with his finger and put in on the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and pour out the rest of its blood at [HSN#413 'el] the base [HSN#3247 ycowd] of the altar.

Leviticus 4:34 RSV
34. Then the priest shall take some of the blood of the sin offering with his finger and put it on the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and pour out the rest of its blood at [HSN#413 'el] the base [HSN#3247 ycowd] of the altar.

However when we arrive at Deuteronomy 12:27 a different rendering appears in this same context and it is revealed that this place "at-near-beside" [HSN#413 'el] the Altar of Sacrifice changes to "upon" [HSN#5921 `al] which means "above-over-upon" the Altar of Sacrifice meaning that the blood of the sacrifices is poured out OVER, and therefore THROUGH, the brass "fisherman's" netting which is figuratively-allegorically designed to "catch" the nephesh-souls which are in the blood of whatever has been sacrificed. The blood then goes through the grating and into the 'adamah-'erets-earth-soil foundation beneath the Altar:

Deuteronomy 12:23-27 RSV
23. Only be sure that you do not eat the blood; for the blood is the life, [nephesh-soul] and you shall not eat the life [nephesh-soul] with the flesh.
24. You shall not eat it; you shall pour it out upon the earth like water.
25. You shall not eat it; that all may go well with you and with your children after you, when you do what is right in the sight of the Lord.
26. But the holy things which are due from you, and your votive offerings, you shall take, and you shall go to the place which the Lord will choose,
27. and offer your burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, on the altar of the Lord your God; the blood of your sacrifices shall be poured out on [HSN#5921 `al] the altar of the Lord your God, but the flesh you may eat.

Original Strong's Ref. # 5921
Romanized `al
Pronounced al
properly, the same as HSN5920 used as a preposition (in the singular or plural often with prefix, or as conjunction with a particle following); above, over, upon, or against (yet always in this last relation with a downward aspect) in a great variety of applications (as follow):
KJV--above, according to(-ly), after, (as) against, among, and, X as, at, because of, beside (the rest of), between, beyond the time, X both and, by (reason of), X had the charge of, concerning for, in (that), (forth, out) of, (from) (off), (up-)on, over, than, through(-out), to, touching, X with.

Deuteronomy 12:27 KJV
27. And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the Lord thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon [HSN#5921 `al] the altar of the Lord thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh.

Matthew 13:47-50 KJV
47. Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48. Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49. So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50. And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Therefore we say that every disciple who walks with Messiah, and desires to fully keep the sayings of the Book, the same will one day find himself in need of an altar of 'adamah when the same arrives at the following point in his walk:

Revelation 6:9 KJV
9. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Shalom Retrobyter :)

2 Corinthians 5:14-17 KJV
14. For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15. And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


In addition, (Retrobyter) of course Yeshua speaks to them in plural yet he speaks to each in his own appointed times even though he speaks to them all at the same time. The word employed here ("entos") translated "within" comes from GSN#1722 "en" which most definitely means "IN".

Luke 17:21 TUA
21. oude erousin, "Idou hode!" e"{*} Ekei!" Idou gar he basileia tou Theou entos humonestin."^

Original Strong's Ref. #1787
Romanized entos
Pronounced en-tos'
from GSN1722; inside (adverb or noun):
KJV--within.

BDB -- Strong's Greek Definition for #1787
1787 // entov // entos // en-tos' //
from 1722 ; prep
AV - within 2; 2
1) within, inside
1a) within you i.e. in the midst of you
1b) within you i.e. your soul
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/strongs/luke_17.shtml
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/strongs/ref/?stgh=greek&stnm=1787

 

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, daq.

How will you keep the sayings of the prophecy of this Book?

Revelation 22:7 KJV
7. Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

And what will you do when you get to this point in your walk?

Revelation 6:9-11 KJV
9. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11. And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

What is at the bottom of the Brazen Altar of Sacrifice?

Exodus 27:1-5 KJV
1. And thou shalt make an altar of Shittim wood, five cubits long, and five cubits broad; the altar shall be foursquare: and the height thereof shall be three cubits.
2. And thou shalt make the horns of it upon the four corners thereof: his horns shall be of the same: and thou shalt overlay it with brass.
3. And thou shalt make his pans to receive his ashes, and his shovels, and his basons, and his fleshhooks, and his firepans: all the vessels thereof thou shalt make of brass.
4. And thou shalt make for it a grate of network of brass; and upon the net shalt thou make four brasen rings in the four corners thereof.
5. And thou shalt put it under the compass of the altar beneath, that the net may be even to the midst of the altar.

The brass grating or "network" at the bottom of the Altar some have suggested was actually underneath and hanging from the bottom while others suggest that the "netting" was just as it is pictured above. Either way the placement of the brass netting is inconsequential to the point being made here. The supernal understanding is that this "netting" represents a "fisherman's net" (just as the "netting" on the two pillars Boaz and Yakin with their pomegranate-fruits) because the Lord himself is the ultimate "Fisher of men" (and the man is the nephesh-soul). And what could be "the foundation" of the Brazen Altar of Sacrifice except but the 'adamah-earth-soil beneath it which we are admonished to make unto the Most High? And this is indeed where the blood of all the sacrifices is to be poured out; for the nephesh-soul is in the blood:

Leviticus 4:18 RSV
18. And he shall put some of the blood on the horns of the altar which is in the tent of meeting before the Lord; and the rest of the blood he shall pour out at [HSN#413 'el] the base [HSN#3247 ycowd] of the altar of burnt offering which is at the door of the tent of meeting.

Original Strong's Ref. #413
Romanized 'el
Pronounced ale
(but only used in the shortened constructive form 'el {el}); a primitive particle; properly, denoting motion towards, but occasionally used of a quiescent position, i.e. near, with or among; often in general, to:
KJV--about, according to ,after, against, among, as for, at, because(-fore, -side), both...and, by, concerning, for, from, X hath, in(-to), near, (out) of, over, through, to(-ward), under, unto, upon, whether, with(-in).

Original Strong's Ref. #3247
Romanized ycowd
Pronounced yes-ode'
from HSN3245; a foundation (literally or figuratively):
KJV--bottom, foundation, repairing

Leviticus 4:25 RSV
25. Then the priest shall take some of the blood of the sin offering with his finger and put it on the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and pour out the rest of its blood at [HSN#413 'el] the base [HSN#3247 ycowd] of the altar of burnt offering.

Leviticus 4:30 RSV
30. And the priest shall take some of its blood with his finger and put in on the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and pour out the rest of its blood at [HSN#413 'el] the base [HSN#3247 ycowd] of the altar.

Leviticus 4:34 RSV
34. Then the priest shall take some of the blood of the sin offering with his finger and put it on the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and pour out the rest of its blood at [HSN#413 'el] the base [HSN#3247 ycowd] of the altar.

However when we arrive at Deuteronomy 12:27 a different rendering appears in this same context and it is revealed that this place "at-near-beside" [HSN#413 'el] the Altar of Sacrifice changes to "upon" [HSN#5921 `al] which means "above-over-upon" the Altar of Sacrifice meaning that the blood of the sacrifices is poured out OVER, and therefore THROUGH, the brass "fisherman's" netting which is figuratively-allegorically designed to "catch" the nephesh-souls which are in the blood of whatever has been sacrificed. The blood then goes through the grating and into the 'adamah-'erets-earth-soil foundation beneath the Altar:

Deuteronomy 12:23-27 RSV
23. Only be sure that you do not eat the blood; for the blood is the life, [nephesh-soul] and you shall not eat the life [nephesh-soul] with the flesh.
24. You shall not eat it; you shall pour it out upon the earth like water.
25. You shall not eat it; that all may go well with you and with your children after you, when you do what is right in the sight of the Lord.
26. But the holy things which are due from you, and your votive offerings, you shall take, and you shall go to the place which the Lord will choose,
27. and offer your burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, on the altar of the Lord your God; the blood of your sacrifices shall be poured out on [HSN#5921 `al] the altar of the Lord your God, but the flesh you may eat.

Original Strong's Ref. # 5921
Romanized `al
Pronounced al
properly, the same as HSN5920 used as a preposition (in the singular or plural often with prefix, or as conjunction with a particle following); above, over, upon, or against (yet always in this last relation with a downward aspect) in a great variety of applications (as follow):
KJV--above, according to(-ly), after, (as) against, among, and, X as, at, because of, beside (the rest of), between, beyond the time, X both and, by (reason of), X had the charge of, concerning for, in (that), (forth, out) of, (from) (off), (up-)on, over, than, through(-out), to, touching, X with.

Deuteronomy 12:27 KJV
27. And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the Lord thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon [HSN#5921 `al] the altar of the Lord thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh.

Matthew 13:47-50 KJV
47. Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
48. Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
49. So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50. And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Therefore we say that every disciple who walks with Messiah, and desires to fully keep the sayings of the Book, the same will one day find himself in need of an altar of 'adamah when the same arrives at the following point in his walk:

Revelation 6:9 KJV
9. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Shalom Retrobyter :)

2 Corinthians 5:14-17 KJV
14. For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15. And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
16. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

In addition, (Retrobyter) of course Yeshua speaks to them in plural yet he speaks to each in his own appointed times even though he speaks to them all at the same time. The word employed here ("entos") translated "within" comes from GSN#1722 "en" which most definitely means "IN".

Luke 17:21 TUA
21. oude erousin, "Idou hode!" e"{*} Ekei!" Idou gar he basileia tou Theou entos humonestin."^

Original Strong's Ref. #1787
Romanized entos
Pronounced en-tos'
from GSN1722; inside (adverb or noun):
KJV--within.

BDB -- Strong's Greek Definition for #1787
1787 // entov // entos // en-tos' //
from 1722 ; prep
AV - within 2; 2
1) within, inside
1a) within you i.e. in the midst of you
1b) within you i.e. your soul
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/strongs/luke_17.shtml
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/strongs/ref/?stgh=greek&stnm=1787

You're trying too hard, and you're missing the point! Yeshua` was talking to the P'RUSHIYM!!! Are you trying to tell me that you think the Kingdom of God was "within" THEM?! I think you'd be hard pressed to win THAT argument, if that's what you're trying to say!

It's time to come back to the simplicity of the Word without all the gobbledygook that you're trying to pass off as "supernal understanding." I mean, c'mon! The grate at the bottom of the altar = a fisherman's net?! Really?! That's just really a stretch!

As Charlie Tremendous Jones often said, "Learn to use the mnemonic 'SIBKIS.' See It Big; Keep It Simple!"

 

[tgwprophet]

daq... you did not give any difference to what I posted... which is probably a good thing.

You did make a change from Altar to Brazan Alter - did not Eve do something like that as well?

 

[daq]

daq... you did not give any difference to what I posted... which is probably a good thing.

You did make a change from Altar to Brazan Alter - did not Eve do something like that as well?

So soon terry you are willing to imply that I might be deceived by the serpent as was Eve in the beginning? If this be the case with your response then you only reveal what is already in your heart; for that which comes forth from the mouth of the lion comes forth from the heart of the lion-like man-faced anthropon countenance. Under the New Covenant each one sleeps in his or her own bed which he or she has made: For in these days we say no more, "The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge." But rather every one shall die for his own iniquity: "Every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge." :)

Retrobyter, how are you so sure it is I who "try too hard"? Perhaps it is you who do not try hard enough? Have you resisted sin unto blood? Yet we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. I have even the wounds in my spiritual body to exemplify what I say from the Scripture. How then were you "circumcised in heart" if so be that you are indeed circumcised in heart? How is it that you have been "crucified with Messiah"? The Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes, and Herod are all used for typology and allegory according to the doctrines of Yeshua in the four Gospel accounts, and this fact is especially portrayed in the Book of the Acts. Therefore beware of the anthropon-man-faced-countenance; for they will deliver you up to the Sanhedrins, and they will scourge you in their Synagogues; and shall bring you before governors and kings for the sake of Messiah, for a testimony against them and the heathen, (Matthew 10:17-18). Therefore also beware of the leaven of Herod: for if one has a caul-chestplate of iron over the heart of gold then the Most High states exactly what he will use to tear it open for the circumcision of the man. And that is our own beasts which he will use against us; a lion or lioness, a bear bereaved of her cubs, and the brass belly of a four-headed leopard; even the wild beasts of Jeremiah 31:27, Daniel 7, and Revelation 13. :unsure:

Hosea 13:4-11 KJV
4. Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no Saviour beside me.
5. I did know thee in the wilderness, in the land of great drought.
6. According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me.
7. Therefore I will be unto them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them:
8. I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild beast shall tear them.
9. O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help.
10. I will be thy king: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes?
11. I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath.

This genos-kind of "king" cannot be seen with the eyes of the flesh … :)

 

[John_8:32]

The AoD...

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Dan 11:21 And in his estate (Seleucus IV) shall stand up a vile person (Antiochus IV, Epiphanes), to whom they (those Syrian officials supporting Heliodorus) shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries. (Antiochus IV with a flattery and the aid of neighboring King Eumenes II of Pergamum and some officials at home forced out Heliodorus.)

Dan 11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant. (A Hellenistic Jew who changed his name to Jason was appointed High Priest. Three years later he was replaced by Menelaus.)

Dan 11:23 And after the league (an agreement by Jews with Antiochus) made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.

Dan 11:24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time. (Antiochus took from the rich and distributed to the poor to gain support of the masses.)

Dan 11:25 And he shall stir up his power and his courage against the king of the south (Ptolemy VI, Philometer) with a great army; and the king of the south shall be stirred up to battle with a very great and mighty army; but he (Ptolemy) shall not stand: for they shall forecast devices against him.

Dan 11:26 Yea, they that feed of the portion of his meat (Ptolemy's own trusted officers) shall destroy him, and his army shall overflow: and many shall fall down slain. (Antiochus was victorious at Pelusium taking Ptolemy VI captive.)

Dan 11:27 And both these kings' hearts shall be to do mischief, and they shall speak lies at one table (Antiochus and Ptolemy sat at a banquet together with Antiochus pretending to ally with Ptolemy, but each lied to each other); but it (these lying agreements) shall not prosper: for yet the end shall be at the time appointed.

Dan 11:28 Then shall he return into his land (Syria) with great riches (loot from Egypt); and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits (He lotted the Temple and massacred Jews on his return), and return to his own land.

Dan 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return (Again coming against Egypt with Ptolemy VI and Ptolemy VII plotting together), and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former, or as the latter. (Antiochus was not successful this time.)

Dan 11:30 For the ships of Chittim (Kittim: Western Lands which was Rome) shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved (Antiochus had to accept surrender terms from Popillius, commander of the Roman fleet.), and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant (Antiochus vented his frustration on the Jews) : so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant. (He showed favor to those who refected their religion and adopted Hellenistic culture.)

Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part (Antiochus was able to muster forces), and they (His forces) shall pollute the sanctuary of strength (by sacrificing a pig on the altar), and shall take away the daily sacrifice (Antiochus actually outlawed the service of God at the Temple), and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate (The statue of Jupiter Olympus erected there).

Verse 31 is the AoD and Christ said that this chain of events would occur again. He tells us to read Daniel and understand what went before and expect to see that again. In Luke 21, He instructs us about armies surrounding Jerusalem...

Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

When you see this, you know it is near. Then when you see the actual AoD, the stopping of the daily sacrifice and the setting up of an abominable thing where it ought not be...

Mar 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Mar 13:15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house:
Mar 13:16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment.
Mar 13:17 But woe to them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Mar 13:18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.
Mar 13:19 For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be.
Mar 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

That is the moment. It will happen so quickly from this point, if you are in Judea, you will not have time to run into your house and pack a suitcase.

 

[daq]

Hi John. :)

Why do you suppose I included the Brazen Altar of Sacrifice, (Burnt Offering) in my analogies? It is because that was precisely where Antiochus IV Epiphanes had his men set up the Desolating Abomination. In fact it was on top of the Brazen Altar itself, (and again, beneath the Brazen Altar is the "foundation" which is made either of stone or of the 'adamah-earthen-soil, Exodus 20:24-25)

1 Maccabees 1:54-59 NJB (New Jerusalem Bible)
54. On the fifteenth day of Chislev in the year 145 the king built the appalling abomination on top of the altar of burnt offering; and altars were built in the surrounding towns of Judah
55. and incense offered at the doors of houses and in the streets.
56. Any books of the Law that came to light were torn up and burned.
57. Whenever anyone was discovered possessing a copy of the covenant or practising the Law, the king's decree sentenced him to death.
58. Month after month they took harsh action against any offenders they discovered in the towns of Israel.
59. On the twenty-fifth day of each month, sacrifice was offered on the altar erected on top of the altar of burnt offering.

In addition the word "Nagiyd" which is translated Prince in the KJV is found only three times in all of the Book of Daniel and ALL of them concern the Nagiyd-Prince of the Covenant who is Yeshua:

Daniel 11:22 KJV
22. And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince [HSN#5057 nagiyd] of the covenant.

Original Strong's Ref. #5057
Romanized nagiyd
Pronounced naw-gheed'
or nagid {naw-gheed'}; from HSN5046; a commander (as occupying the front), civil, military or religious; generally (abstractly, plural), honorable themes:
KJV--captain, chief, excellent thing, (chief) governor, leader, noble, prince, (chief) ruler.

Daniel 9:25-26 KJV
25. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [HSN#5057 nagiyd] shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince [HSN#5057 nagiyd] that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

If the KJV rendering is the correct one, (and that is a "big if") then it is the people of the Nagiyd-Prince who destroy the holy city and Sanctuary even to this day because they are not willing to believe, as the Scripture teaches, that they themselves are the Temple of the Most High which they are defiling. :unsure:

Your post is right on the money and I would like to add to it if I may. You mentioned 'Mystery Babylon' above and it can be proved by scripture that would be God's people, the Jews of that time. Also it is known as Jerusalem site of the temple.

According to the books written by Josephus, 'The Wars of the Jews',
http://archive.org/details/wars_of_the_jews_0908_librivox
in Book V it speaks of the six months prior to being surrounded by the Roman army. It was controlled by three different groups of Jews called zealots and they had divided the city into three areas and were fighting among themselves for control of it and the Temple. Almost all of Jerusalem was destroyed by these zealots and 3 years of food supply had been wiped out by them. By the time the Roman army arrived, there were three walls to penetrate, Outer, Inner, and the Wall around the temple. The Roman army did not want to destroy the temple, but even when they had taken all of Jersusalem and the temple was the only thing left to conquer. The zealots finally accepted surrender, but they demanded that they be allowed to leave and go home untouched. The Roman General refused and set the door of the temple on fire, just to be able to break into it, but once the silver therein melted it burnt up everything in the temple completely.

The abomination happened when the zealots were fighting among themselves, because there was stealing and murder going on in the temple and they even begin making the sacrifices instead of the Priests. The zealots were evil man and that would be represented by the number 6. There were three groups, thus 666.

Hi Rocky :)
If Yeshua spoke only concerning the war and desolations of 66-70AD/CE then those physical events nullify the Matthew 24 and Mark 13 passages for everyone else who came after that time period and, thus, we would have nearly 2000 years of the age wherein two main passages of Scripture no longer apply to us. Therefore, (although those things did take place) they are not what the passages are speaking of because the Master clearly states that his "words shall not pass away" and emphatically states that what he tells the four disciples at the Mount of Olives, (Peter, James, John, and Andrew, Re: Mark 13:3) HE SAYS TO ALL, WATCH!

Mark 13:31-37 KJV
31. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
32. But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33. Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
34. For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36. Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.

Notice also that the Son of man is like an "House Master" who left his house, (YOU) and gave authority to his servants, (YOU) and to each one his work, and commanded the PORTER to WATCH! You are the "porter" of the house while the Master of the house is away in a "far journey". However, when we enter into the Yeshua faith we are no more our own but have become the temple of the Most High. Therefore your "house"-body is no more your own but belongs to the Lord. And you are likened to "the porter" who watches the doors of the house so that the wicked one is not allowed into the house.

John 10:1-6 KJV
1. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth [GSN#305 anabaino-ascend] up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
2. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
3. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
4. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
6. This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

YOU are the "porter" who will either open or not open the door to the house. Therefore "test the spirits" with their doctrines to see whether they be of God or not. And if not then receive not that testimony into "the house" which you have been given charge over; bid them not even "God speed" for in so doing you become a partaker of the evil. Likewise when you see your own branch become tender, (for the man is like a tree and every man has a fig and a vine) then know that the summer of your harvest is near, even at the doors. Therefore we are commanded to WATCH! :)

 

[tgwprophet]

So soon terry you are willing to imply that I might be deceived by the serpent as was Eve in the beginning? If this be the case with your response then you only reveal what is already in your heart; for that which comes forth from the mouth of the lion comes forth from the heart of the lion-like man-faced anthropon countenance. Under the New Covenant each one sleeps in his or her own bed which he or she has made: For in these days we say no more, "The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge." But rather every one shall die for his own iniquity: "Every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge

NO.. you missed the understanding entirely. Eve injected more into what she was told, when she explained to the serpent about the fruit. you did the same when you added brazan to altar. then again you altered what was given when you attempted to say what i explained. Next, you then tried to tell ME what is in MY heart. To this action of trying to claim evil in me - i should say: get thee behind me Satan. But, instead I will put that on hold. Previously all i did was give you correction, not an attack.

This is a chance for you to recover from your errors... please use it wisely.


Daq wrote: " Retrobyter, how are you so sure it is I who "try too hard"? Perhaps it is you who do not try hard enough? Have you resisted sin unto blood? ........ "

It is pretty simple how retrobyter could arrive at that conclusion... You not only attempt to back up what you claim with any scripture you can find, but you also alter or add words within that are not there. Then you attack him??? Why are you trying to be so self-righteouss? We here in this forum are on a path of discovery - learning and teaching... not a path of self-elevating. So... I must go along with Retrobyter on this.

 

[daq]

So soon terry you are willing to imply that I might be deceived by the serpent as was Eve in the beginning? If this be the case with your response then you only reveal what is already in your heart; for that which comes forth from the mouth of the lion comes forth from the heart of the lion-like man-faced anthropon countenance. Under the New Covenant each one sleeps in his or her own bed which he or she has made: For in these days we say no more, "The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge." But rather every one shall die for his own iniquity: "Every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge

NO.. you missed the understanding entirely. Eve injected more into what she was told, when she explained to the serpent about the fruit. you did the same when you added brazan to altar. then again you altered what was given when you attempted to say what i explained. Next, you then tried to tell ME what is in MY heart. To this action of trying to claim evil in me - i should say: get thee behind me Satan. But, instead I will put that on hold. Previously all i did was give you correction, not an attack.

This is a chance for you to recover from your errors... please use it wisely.


Daq wrote: " Retrobyter, how are you so sure it is I who "try too hard"? Perhaps it is you who do not try hard enough? Have you resisted sin unto blood? ........ "

It is pretty simple how retrobyter could arrive at that conclusion... You not only attempt to back up what you claim with any scripture you can find, but you also alter or add words within that are not there. Then you attack him??? Why are you trying to be so self-righteouss? We here in this forum are on a path of discovery - learning and teaching... not a path of self-elevating. So... I must go along with Retrobyter on this.

Why do you feel the need to make false accusations? I already quoted the Scriptures:

Exodus 20:24-26 KJV
24. An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.
25. And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.
26. Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.

Exodus 27:1-4 KJV
1. And thou shalt make an altar of Shittim wood, five cubits long, and five cubits broad; the altar shall be foursquare: and the height thereof shall be three cubits.
2. And thou shalt make the horns of it upon the four corners thereof: his horns shall be of the same: and thou shalt overlay it with brass.
3. And thou shalt make his pans to receive his ashes, and his shovels, and his basons, and his fleshhooks, and his firepans: all the vessels thereof thou shalt make of brass.
4. And thou shalt make for it a grate of network of brass; and upon the net shalt thou make four brasen rings in the four corners thereof.

In addition you do understand that bronze, brass, brasen, or brazen, are all the same material correct?
Perhaps if you do not understand this then you should not be so quick to judge:

Exodus 38:28-39 KJV
29. And the brass of the offering was seventy talents, and two thousand and four hundred shekels.
30. And therewith he made the sockets to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and the brasen altar, and the brasen grate for it, and all the vessels of the altar,

The foundation-base beneath the Brazen Altar of Sacrifice or Burnt Offerings is to be a foundation of either 'adamah-earth-soil or stones not having been hewn or cut with tools. For you to accuse me of adding to the Word like Eve and suggest that you should be telling me: "Get thee behind me Satan" (but for now you will "put that on hold") only shows once again what is in your heart; For whatsoever comes forth out from the mouth proceeds from the heart and those are the things that defile the man, for out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies, and all sorts of desolating abominations in the sight of God. Do you also treat the Gospel accounts in the same way? Dividing them up into separate portions instead of consuming the four as one meal? You should be putting the four accounts together like as if they are "one house" with four different rooms or levels if you will even begin to understand the whole story. :)

Matthew 15:10-20 KJV
10. And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11. Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth [GSN#2840 koinoo] a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth [GSN#2840 koinoo] a man.
12. Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
13. But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14. Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
15. Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
16. And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
17. Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18. But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile [GSN#2840 koinoo] the man.
19. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20. These are the things which defile [GSN#2840 koinoo] a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth [GSN#2840 koinoo] not a man.

Original Strong's Ref. #2840
Romanized koinoo
Pronounced koy-no'-o
from GSN2839; to make (or consider) profane (ceremonially):
KJV--call common, defile, pollute, unclean.

BDB -- Strong's Greek Definition for #2840
2840 // koinow // koinoo // koy-no'-o //
from 2839 ; TDNT - 3:809,447; v
AV - defile 11, call common 2, pollute 1, unclean 1; 15
1) to make common
1a) to make (Levitically) unclean, render unhallowed, defile, profane
1b) to declare or count unclean
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/strongs/matthew_15.shtml
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/strongs/ref/?stgh=greek&stnm=2840

Again from Post #9 above:

THE MAN IS THE MIQDASH-CHAPEL-SANCTUARY-TEMPLE:

Exodus 25:1-9 KJV
1. And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
2. Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: of every man that giveth it willingly with his heart ye shall take My offering.
3. And this is the offering which ye shall take of them; gold, and silver, and brass,
4. And blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen, and goats' hair,
5. And rams' skins dyed red, and badgers' skins, and shittim wood,
6. Oil for the light, spices for anointing oil, and for sweet incense,
7. Onyx stones, and stones to be set in the ephod, and in the breastplate.
8. And let them make me a sanctuary; [HSN#4720 miqdash] that I may dwell among them.
9. According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, [HSN#4908 mishkan] and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it.

Original Strong's Ref. #4720
Romanized miqdash
Pronounced mik-dawsh'
or miqqdash (Exo.15v17) {mik-ked-awsh'}; from HSN6942; a consecrated thing or place, especially, a palace, sanctuary (whether of Jehovah or of idols) or asylum:
KJV--chapel, hallowed part, holy place, sanctuary.

"Let them make me a miqdash-sanctuary-chapel; that I may dwell among them. According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the Mishkan-Tabernacle"…

Daniel 11:31 KJV
31. And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute [HSN#2490 chalal] the sanctuary [HSN#4720 miqdash] of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

Original Strong's Ref. #2490
Romanized chalal
Pronounced khaw-lal'
a primitive root [compare HSN2470]; properly, to bore, i.e. (by implication) to wound, to dissolve; figuratively, to profane (a person, place or thing), to break (one's word), to begin (as if by an "opening wedge"); denom. (from HSN2485) to play (the flute):
KJV--begin (X men began), defile, X break, defile, X eat (as common things), X first, X gather the grape thereof, X take inheritance, pipe, player on instruments, pollute, (cast as) profane (self), prostitute, slay (slain), sorrow, stain, wound.

BDB -- Strong's Hebrew Definition for # 02490
02490 // llx // chalal // khaw-lal' //
a primitive root [compare 02470]; TWOT - 660,661; v
AV - begin 52, profane 36, pollute 23, defile 9, break 4, wounded 3, eat 2, slay 2, first 1, gather grapes 1, inheritance 1, began men 1, piped 1, players 1, prostitute 1, sorrow 1, stain 1, eat as common things 1; 141
1) to profane, defile, pollute, desecrate, begin
1a) (Niphal)
1a1) to profane oneself, defile oneself, pollute oneself
1a1a) ritually
1a1b) sexually
1a2) to be polluted, be defiled
1b) (Piel)
1b1) to profane, make common, defile, pollute
1b2) to violate the honour of, dishonour
1b3) to violate (a covenant)
1b4) to treat as common
1c) (Pual) to profane (name of God)
1d) (Hiphil)
1d1) to let be profaned
1d2) to begin
1e) (Hophal) to be begun
2) to wound (fatally), bore through, pierce, bore
2a) (Qal) to pierce
2b) (Pual) to be slain
2c) (Poel) to wound, pierce
2d) (Poal) to be wounded
3) (Piel) to play the flute or pipe
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/strongs/daniel_11.shtml
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/strongs/ref/?stgh=hebrew&stnm=02490

THE TESTIMONY OF YESHUA IS THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY:

Matthew 15:19-20 KJV
19. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20. These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Luke 16:15 KJV
15. And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

Desolating Abomination = Detestable-Abominable Defilement of the Heart. :)