Did America Have a Christian Founding?

[Prayer Warrior]

And that is the bottom line. But the hateful Leftists in America have decided to change history, and attribute the founding of America to slavers. That is how evil and Satanic the Left has become. And many deluded blacks are going along with this because it suits their evil agenda.

The Soviets had planned a long time ago to undermine the foundation of America and change the whole culture. And over the last 20 years Marxist/Communist professors and teachers have taken control of the universities and colleges to indoctrinate impressionable youngsters to the *glories* of Communism. They have at the same time taught American kids to hate America. So finally we have the 1619 project sponsored by the extreme Leftist NY Times, which is full of garbage.

“These errors, which concern major events, cannot be described as interpretation or ‘framing,’” the historians wrote. “They are matters of verifiable fact, which are the foundation of both honest scholarship and honest journalism. They suggest a displacement of historical understanding by ideology. Dismissal of objections on racial grounds — that they are the objections of only ‘white historians’ — has affirmed that displacement.”
1619 Project: Top Historians Criticize New York Times Slavery Feature | National Review

I've heard about the 1619 Project. This quote is from the link you provided:

One focus of the historians is the preposterous claim of the 1619 Project that a primary reason that the colonists launched the American Revolution was to protect slavery. “This is not true,” they say. “If supportable, the allegation would be astounding — yet every statement offered by the project to validate it is false.”
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I had to chuckle when I read this idea that America's War for Independence had anything to do with the slave trade, esp. since Great Britain was entrenched in the trade. So, it doesn't make any sense at all that this would the reason Americans revolted against Great Britain.
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[Enoch111]

So, it doesn't make any sense at all that this would the reason Americans revolted against Great Britain.

Leftist ideology does not have to make sense. This is what ordinary sane people need to understand. In fact it is insane. But that makes no difference to the anarchist. The main thing is to disseminate PROPAGANDA and if it is repeatedly frequently enough and loudly enough, that will do the trick.

 

[Joseph77]

(sub-question) Did Israel have a Godly Start ?
Did God Say So ?

Does the USA for the last 120 years serve God Almighty the Creator or some other god (money? power? greed? military? stock marked? self ? )
Does God mention those things ?

 

[Joseph77]

The main thing is to disseminate PROPAGANDA and if it is repeatedly frequently enough and loudly enough, that will do the trick.

In other words - deceive ?

As in The Apocalypse: "....... will deceive the whole world" (and it has happened, and has been happening for generations) ....

 

[Enoch111]

(sub-question) Did Israel have a Godly Start ? Did God Say So ?

Not if we see the history of Israel starting in the wilderness.

Does the USA for the last 120 years serve God Almighty the Creator or some other god

No the USA is not a theocracy and the nation has not been serving God as such. However, the issue is whether or not the USA was FOUNDED on Christian principles, and is that evident in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...

"... to establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..."

...Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

 

[Joseph77]

Not if we see the history of Israel starting in the wilderness.

You see in a glass dimly something not asked about.
What does God Himself say - What nation did God choose for Himself out of all the nations of the world ?

 

[Joseph77]

However, the issue is whether or not the USA was FOUNDED on Christian principles, and is that evident in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Words?
Follow the money!

i.e. the words , at least most often today, do not do what they say - but are deceptive.

Did the empires (or countries) and corporations with all the money follow Jesus or not ? (no)

Did the colonists ? Some of them (we hope is true).

 

[Joseph77]

(don't follow nor desire money - follow the money path to see who was behind the power doing what they did )

 

[Prayer Warrior]

For some reason, I'm not getting alerts when someone posts in this thread even though I'm "watching" the thread. Sometimes, I get alerts from threads I'm not watching.... Go figure.

 

[Joseph77]

2 + 2 - 1 * 8 /n=7/

(go figure)

 

[Prayer Warrior]

2 + 2 - 1 * 8 /n=7/

(go figure)

Lol, very strange equation.

 

[Taken]

Did America Have a Christian Founding?
OP ^

Yes.
Biblical Principles are revealed in the US Government Established Structure.

* US Government; examples

Sovereign Authority of God
God Creator
Rule of Law / not men
All men created equal
Three branches of Government
Religious Freedom
Self-family First Governance
Establish Justice
Accused /Trial/ Witnesses
Private property
Sabbath day holy
7 yr Debt forgiveness
Dead Body Care
Care for Widows
Care for Orphans
Free to do as you please-consequences yours
Etc.

Founder:
* Noah Webster
"The moral principles and precepts contained in the scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible."

* John Adams
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

* US Constitution signers-
All signed below ... in the year of our Lord.

* States - 50
All 50 states mention God in their Constitutions.

* The Supreme Court, in 1892:
(Holy Trinity Decision)
"This is a religious people. This is a Christian nation."

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[DPMartin]

One Soviet leader in particular said that they would bury us (meaning the U.S.).... They have made progress, but God is still on the throne, and I know that God will accomplish His plans for and through this nation.

the Lord always uses the more powerful entities in the world to accomplish His will, especially with the Jews. Babylon, Persian empire(Cyrus), Rome, Germany, England, US of A.

now you may want to speculate Christian founded USA or not but its not about that its what nation or nations are influential in the spreading of the message. England and Spain were at one time and now US of A and some UK lands like Australia.

not that they were saintly, far from it, its about the accommodation of the Gospel message.

 

[Joseph77]

the Lord always uses the more powerful entities in the world to accomplish His will,

One night, one angel, killed 186,000 of the enemy army (soldiers).

Another time, God had (Gideon I think), remove hundreds or thousands of Israel's soldiers,
and take ONLY three hundred ,
to DEFEAT an army of many thousands ....

God always says NOT to trust in man's numbers, wisdom or strength or armies at all...
but
to trust God the Almighty Creator - for the battle is HIS, not man's.
And this is repeated throughout Scripture in His Promises and in ACTIONS (wars/ etc ) ..
and throughout History (like the recent six days war)....

 

[Joseph77]

continued...
1 Corinthians 1:27 But God chose the foolish things of the ...
biblehub . com/1_corinthians/1-27.htm
But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; Psalm 8:2 Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.

1 CORINTHIANS 1:27 KJV "But God hath chosen the foolish ...
www . kingjamesbibleonline.org/1-Corinthians-1-27/
But God has chosen the things which the world regards as foolish, in order to put its wise men to shame; and God has chosen the things which the world regards as destitute of influence, in order to put its powerful things to shame; - Weymouth Bible but God chose the foolish things of the world that he might put to shame those who are wise.

 

[Brakelite]

Christian ideas underlie some key tenets of America’s constitutional order. For instance, the Founders believed that humans are created in the image of God, which led them to design institutions and laws meant to protect and promote human dignity. Because they were convinced that humans are sinful, they attempted to avoid the concentration of power by framing a national government with carefully enumerated powers. As well, the Founders were committed to liberty, but they never imagined that provisions of the Bill of Rights would be used to protect licentiousness. And they clearly thought moral considerations should inform legislation.

We should certainly reject arguments that America’s Founders intended the First Amendment to prohibit neutral programs that support faith-based social service agencies, religious schools, and the like.[

The irony today is that schools wishing to avail themselves if government subsidies are bound to honor government curriculums, which today do not reflect in any way shape or form the principles of the founding fathers of America.

truth is great and will prevail if left to herself; that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate; errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them

All very true, which explains why debate and discussion today is seen as anathema to leftist ideals. Truth is the enemy to many because truth rebukes their theories and practices... So in order to stifle truth, they must stifle debate and discussion

 

[Joseph77]

The irony today is that schools wishing to avail themselves if government subsidies are bound to honor government curriculums, which today do not reflect in any way shape or form the principles of the founding fathers of America.

Likely (for decades) churches too.

But that was developed with each administration regardless of party in office - and will continue regardless of party or who is in office.

 

[Joseph77]

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[kcnalp]

"Did America Have a Christian Founding?"
No way!

 

[Brakelite]

America has the appearance of a Christian nation, but in practice the experience of the dragon.
KJV Revelation 13
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.