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Did America Have a Christian Founding?
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And Bigfoot will be declared Trump's successor, and Lizard People will support him, and we will all become healthy by injecting Chlorox, and...
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Brakelite
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The problem is the understating of what actually took place. Until the 16th century Protestants as such didn't exist. Before then there were isolated groups who were not tethered to Rome, but they were relentlessly attacked and persecuted by the papacy from the time of Clovis in the 6th century. I could name a long list of people groups and cultures that were viciously murdered, raped, deported, tortured and lied about who did nothing other than want to live in peace and exercise their Christian faith in accordance with their biblical worldview. They must assuredly never attacked Rome or the established church with armies, or used politics in an attempt to overthrow the church's power.
And I would strongly suggest to you that the majority of Protestant executions of Catholics was an act in self defense. I cite Guy Fawkes as a prime example. And the Hussite wars. And the centuries of battles that so characterised the Italian Alps in the early and later middle ages. Self defense against a rampant power hungry godless tyranny in Rome. If you don't have that perspective on history, you have studied it.
Grailhunter
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Less that Christ like, Ahh! You criticize Christianity. You criticize the founding of our country. You criticize our President. You criticize law and order. You think people don't see right through you? It is time let them see you for what you are....answer the questions....
What is your position on abortion?
Your position on homosexuality?
Your position on drug use?
Your position on the leftist form of communism?
Your position on law and order?
Your position on law enforcement?
Your position on the rioters in the democratic run cities?
Your position on shutting down churches in democratic run states?
Your position on school prayer?
Your position on our schools teaching our children to be communists and atheists?
We should be honest enough to admit that Christians have been less than Christlike in their behavior in the past. Both Catholic and Protestant leaders have committed grave sins against other Christians with whom they disagreed.
No, I'm pointing out that many Christians have failed to live up to their faith.
Yes, it's our responsibility to criticize our leaders when they do wrong.
Sorry, no bunny trails for you, today.
No, I'm pointing out that many Christians have failed to live up to their faith.
Yes, it's our responsibility to criticize our leaders when they do wrong.
Sorry, no bunny trails for you, today.
Grailhunter
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Answer the questions.....by not answering them....you have answered them already.....you think you are hiding. It is so funny!
You are correct I misspoke. The Declaration mentions the Creator. The Constitution itself does not. But you cannot separate the two. The Constitution was written to establish the freedoms they expressed and the rights they desired that they outlined in the Declaration.
I think the lack of mention of God in the Constitution was intentional for the running of the Federal Government. They did not want a national religion or religion running the government. Even though they allowed God to be part of what they did like posting things like the Ten Commandments or words of Moses and allowing church in the capital, that did equate to a particular religion or religious sect to determine the laws and rules of the government.
You are correct, man has done many things in the "name of God" that have been against the teaching of God, Christ and the Apostles. They have no excuse. The southern Democrats used the Bible to support slavery and Jim Crow. BUT they were wrong to do so.
The Catholic Church invoked God in order to torture those they called heretics.
None of that is supported by scripture. And they will be judged by God accordingly.
The fact that you won't answer the questions is evidence of where you are coming from. I am going to guess that you support
White fragility
The cancel culture
The 1619 project
The teaching of whiteness in the government
Anti-racism
The attacks on the federal building in Portland
BLM organization and it's beliefs.
As did Protestants. Few denominations lacked people willing to torture and kill in God's name.
The fact that you never answered the questions is proof enough of where you're coming from.
Apparently you support:
White fragility
The cancel culture
The 1619 project (whatever you guys think that is)
The teaching of whiteness in the government
The attacks on the federal building in Portland
You may claim to oppose racism and support equality for all races, but your behavior suggests otherwise.
They are already separated. One is merely a declaration of intent to be free of English control. The other is the Law by which America is governed.
No. It was established to set up a government. It lacked any guarantees of liberties. That's why they added a Bill of Rights later. And the decision to avoid any mention of God whatever was mainly the doing of Jefferson, Madison, and Washington, who saw that as a European corruption they did not want in the new nation.
It didn't equate to any religious idea at all. They merely wanted a "wall of separation between church and state", as Jefferson and Madison explained.
Freedom from religious compulsion of any kind, and freedom of religion from government interference. Which is not to say that they were always as good as their stated principles. The Alien and Sedition acts, for example would have been loved by Donald Trump as they criminalized criticism of the government. But over time, we have come closer and closer to the ideals of liberty and individual rights and responsibilities.
They did not want a national religion or one that controlled the government.
As I stated earlier and have historical support for they were just fine with religion, Christianity in particular, being acknowledged in the governing of the people. The wall of separation was to keep government out of religion. Not to keep religion out of government in the sense it is taken today. They were fine with the acknowledgement of God and religious phrases, scriptures and prayer being part of the government. Just not part of the ruling authority or establishment of it.
It's wrong to separate the Declaration and Constitution as if one had absolutely nothing to do with the other. It would be wrong to assume that all the problems the founders had with England and their beliefs were not addressed in the Constitution as if it did nothing to address the concerns in the Declaration.
They believed that all men were created equal by their creator. And the rights came from God. The Constitution clarified those rights and limited government so it could not take away or limit those rights.
Hidden In Him
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Hey, Yehren. What do you think about the following video, and the likelihood of BLM amping up the destruction of this country come November?
Can you tell us what you thought was most compelling, and the evidence to support it?
About the same as the likelihood of Donald Trump winning a Nobel Peace Prize.
Hidden In Him
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That's what I thought, LoL.
Don't worry, I won't bother you with any "bunny trails." Just checking.
Hidden In Him
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Oh! One other thing I could ask: What did you think about Post #140 in your thread? You never responded to it:
Trump reacts to firestorm over suggestion of election delay
Hidden In Him
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Actually, I already told you. You weren't listening. But it's not a big deal. I wasn't expecting you to.
You never asked me about it. Sort of a rambling paranoid conspiracy thread about real and imagined Marxists. It was way off topic, so not much to say.
Hidden In Him
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Paranoid conspiracy thread... You are good for a few laughs, LoL.
You do know she is on video saying the very things quoted in the article, yes?
I do believe you're practicing intellectual dishonesty again.
and evasion. Again, LoL.
Hidden In Him
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@Yehren.
Comon' real man!
I know you're on. Every time I try to have a conversation with you you always chicken out.
Give me a real response to Post #140 in that thread of yours. If you want, you can post it here, or you can post it there, or you can post it in any one of the political threads you involve yourself in. But give me an honest response instead of deflection, intellectual dishonesty, and evasion tactics. I know you are fully capable of it if you put your mind to it.
So God bless, and let's have a few honest exchanges - REAL ones, coming from real men, one to another, LoL.
Comon' real man!
I know you're on. Every time I try to have a conversation with you you always chicken out.Give me a real response to Post #140 in that thread of yours. If you want, you can post it here, or you can post it there, or you can post it in any one of the political threads you involve yourself in. But give me an honest response instead of deflection, intellectual dishonesty, and evasion tactics. I know you are fully capable of it if you put your mind to it.
So God bless, and let's have a few honest exchanges - REAL ones, coming from real men, one to another, LoL.
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