My friend told me is gonna be a virgin again once he gets baptized in the water. He is so silly.
Did Jesus remove all the sin from the world?
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My friend told me is gonna be a virgin again once he gets baptized in the water. He is so silly.
Behold
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Its an offer, Of God's Grace.
See, everything that Christ has Accomplished, on The Cross, that He said "is FINISHED, Accomplished", then proven by His Resurrection, is a Universal OFFER.
So, Christ "takes away the sin of the World".....exactly as.. "for God so Loved the WORLD that He gave His Only Begotten Son.""
This simply means that Christ (Adam #2) has accomplished all that is necessary to resolve, for each person, what must be resolved so that They may rejoin God, in Spiritual Union, that Adam #1 originally lost for us all.
"God hath made JESUS to be sin....for us".......as "the one time ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin"....for the sin of the world.
Everything that God has Accomplished by wrapping Himself in Human flesh, born of a Virgin, to shed His Blood on The Cross, is an OFFER of God's Grace.
Its a Universal Offer to "All who will believe".. "all who will trust"... "all who will give their Faith"......."All who will Receive Christ as Savior".
The Cross of Chrsit deals with The Sin of the WORLD......one BELIEVER at a time.
Reader,
"The WORLD" (John 3:16) refers to each individual Sinner......exactlty as the phrase "the body of Christ" and "the NT Church" = refers to each individual born again BELIEVER.
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Paul says in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.
Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law.
(v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy.
Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.
Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law.
(v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy.
Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.
That is actually really cool you share all of this.
God nailed all those commandments to the Cross.
Colossians 2:14
God wiped out the charges that were against us for disobeying the Law of Moses. He took them away and nailed them to the cross.
It pleased Yahavah to crush his son.
Isaiah 53:10 But it was the LORD’s good plan to crush him and cause him grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have many descendants. He will enjoy a long life, and the LORD’s good plan will prosper in his hands.
Some people would consider this WAY TOO FAR OUT THERE to even accept....
Yahavah was pleased to crush his son, and cause him grief! Who want to worship a God such as this....
I ain't God, and if he was pleased, well. His living Word that became flesh, was pleased to Die for Yahavah, and mankind in order to reconcile the world back unto himself.
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Sorry to say but the Commandments was not nail to the cross. Also you have to be mindful that Jesus had already died and went to heaven way before Paul/ wrote Romans seven chapter. When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).
Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Let us avoid this at all costs, seeking a better reward. Jesus will return real soon And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:12).
That is what Paul wrote.
Jesus, surpassed the 10 Commandments, by Loving Yahavah, and loving his neighbor as himself.
Jesus fulfilled them.
That was how he fulfilled them, and they were nailed to the cross. (By loving Yahavah, and loving his neighbor as himself.)
Today, we do not go around to people saying they must adhere to the Law of Moses.
I'm not saying either, that those laws were bad by any means, but following those laws are not what save people today.
It's faith in Yeshua, that saves people, and what is the commandmnet today?
But by all means you don't have to believe me.
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Here is something too,
Where the seven eyes upon one Stone (Christ) it says this
Zech 3:9 For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.”
Similarly Jesus is the Lamb of God
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
The seven eyes upon the one stone (and the removing of iniquity there) pertain also to the Lamb (which taketh away the sin of the world) shown in hindsight here
Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.”
John the baptist said he knew him not but that he should be manifest to Israel,
And John writes
1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Paul says,
Romans 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Hebrews says, he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself
Heb 9:26.... but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Paul says,
Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned
He also says here
Romans 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
You are asking in what way since we can all still sin if I am following, because its a good question
Davy
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No, that's not all. We must STAY in the FAITH.
See Galatians 5, which the Book of Galatians is one of the foundational New Testament Books on Christian Doctrine. The Book of Romans is the other main doctrinal Book by Paul.
In Galatians 5, Apostle Paul defines the difference between walking in The Spirit vs. walking by our flesh. Walk by The Spirit, and we won't be doing anything that is against God's laws, Paul said, because there is no law against the good things of The Spirit.
But walk by the flesh, and we place ourselves back under the law, which is what Paul showed. Even in 1 Timothy 1 Paul showed that God's law is good, and was not made for the righteous, but for the sinner and ungodly.
So when brethren in Christ brag to me that they are 'born again', I sometimes ask them, "How's your walk?"
What I really want to express here is that having already removed all our sins, there is no impediment to anyone now coming to Christ. He has already reconciled us to Himself, now all that remains is we receive the reconciliation.
And having received the reconciliation, nothing can separate us from God's love, and from God Himself, Who has promised, I will never leave you nor forsake you, the most joyous news of all!
Much love!
If you are truly reborn, you will in fact remain trusting in Jesus.
You may "fall from grace" if you begin to think you must do something to add to Jesus' reconciliation, and then you believe you must obey to remain saved, which takes you from grace to works.
It won't undo your rebirth, but it won't lead you to maturity, and it won't keep you from sin.
Much love!
quietthinker
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It means God has forgiven all manner of offence. It means God does not hold mens sins against them. It is summarised as 'The Good News'
pandaflower
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I think Jesus atoned for the sins of those he'd redeem.
I think today's headlines show sin is still here.
I think today's headlines show sin is still here.
pandaflower
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Adam and Eve had a choice?
When Jesus is the lamb slain for the world's sins before this world was created?
Yes to obey God or not.
It seems Yahavah had it in mind of what he would do if Adam and Eve made the wrong choice.
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Davy
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That above is Calvinism, a saved-by-fate belief, not written.
A believer on Jesus Christ can... and some have throughout history, turned away from the Faith on Jesus Christ. Did you not know that Fidel Castro was at one time trained as a Jesuit priest but then later became an atheist and a Communist?
Sorry marks, you're just not living in the real world when you believe a lot of the un-Biblical baloney some illiterate preachers put out.
Only... those Christ labeled as "chosen", when He said for many are called, but few are chosen, are already 'owned' by Him and The Father and thus They will steer His chosen sent ones in the Faith, as those cannot fall, ever. Those are the ones in Christ which Calvin confused when he read Scripture like Ephesians 1:4 which is about the 'chosen', and not the 'called'.
Those who are 'chosen' Lord Jesus used as a example of those who were 'sent', which in the Greek is where the word apostle comes from, and means to be 'sent'. In John 17 Jesus showed The Father already owned those chosen before, and He gave them to Christ. Jesus said they were not of this world, and like Him were 'sent'.
Then later, Jesus said He prayed not only for His chosen sent ones, for also for those who would believe on Him through the words of His sent ones (i.e., preaching of The Gospel)...
John 17:18-21
18 As Thou hast sent Me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent Me.
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The 'called' only, which is the majority of us that came to Faith on Jesus Christ through hearing of The Gospel, have to remain... in the Faith, and not fall away. Those called CAN... fall away, like Castro for example. This is why about half of Apostle Paul's admonishing in his Epistles are to those 'called' only to not be deceived, and not fall away, but remain steadfast in the Faith walking with Lord Jesus Christ.
Thus the doctrine you are actually declaring is not Biblical, but is actually a part of men's false 'once saved, always saved' doctrines.
They knew did wrong as soon as they went and hid from God.
They actively made a choice.
How did you choose to make an account on this website?
