Did mind–body dualism exist before original sin?

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Base12

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The Gnostics have it wrong. Matter is not evil. Matter is simply God manifesting himself in all of creation as the Godhead...
Now Antimatter on the other hand, that is a different Matter entirely (pun intended)...

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Those thrown into the Lake of Fire will find themselves travelling backwards in Time as they are consumed by Antimatter...

 

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Curious how Jesus got into a locked room.

John 20:19

On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”

via Tim Cheong
 

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This entire reality is a road to hell, the only way out of it through the Grace of God. We put ourselves here, it is our fault. Unbelievers don't believe in anything. If they look at wave-particle duality they will know something more is going on. It is only after this step can you explain why and how Jesus will get us out of this.
 

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Wave Function Collapse was a major component of Ezekiel's vision of the Whirling Wheels...

Ezekiel 1:4
"And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire."


A 'fire infolding itself' is a perfect description of Electrons as they whirl about the Nucleus, and this is precisely what God was showing Ezekiel...

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In fact, the word 'Amber' is where we get our word for 'Electron'. Ezekiel was literally being shown Electron Orbitals.

God gave the Electrons themselves the symbol of the Eye. That is what Freemasons call the 'All Seeing Eye' BTW...

Proverbs 15:3
"The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good."


The All Seeing Eye is the Holy Ghost...

Ezekiel 1:20
"Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels."


Why did God give Electrons the symbol of the Eye? I believe it is to teach us about Wave Function Collapse.

The Electron Eye is also Light, which is Electromagnetism...

Matthew 6:22
"The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light."


Scientific proof of God is all throughout the Bible.

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It is indeed. :) Did you ever hear of or read the book, The Spaceships of Ezekiel? Fascinating stuff that goes even further to demonstrate science is in scripture. The book was written by an engineer who worked for NASA. His son told him about the Ezekiel scripture, and it sounded familiar to what NASA was working on at that time. So the dad/ NASA engineer went to work using the Ezekiel scriptures and his own knowledge of engineering. What he came up with as to what Ezekiel described is in the book and as I recall on the cover. Great read. :)

The Spaceships of Ezekiel - Wikipedia
 
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2 Corinthians 4:18
"For the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal"
via Uriel Anderson
 

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You seeing the connection to particles being temporal ..and waves being eternal?

If physical sin isn't allowed in God's Kingdom, how was the tree and fruit represented to Adam and Eve? Was it made of Angel sin which isn't physical? Is the link to this physical fallen reality Satan's sin? Are we swimming in Satan's sin and need Jesus to get out of here?
 
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You seeing the connection to particles being temporal ..and waves being eternal?

If physical sin isn't allowed in God's Kingdom, how was the tree and fruit represented to Adam and Eve? Was is made of Angel sin which isn't physical? Is the link to this physical fallen reality Satan's sin? Are we swimming in Satan's sin and need Jesus to get out of here?
You need to stop teaching gnosticism on these boards.
 

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The alternative is millions burn because you couldn't get over them having one good idea.
 

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God didn't want this physical reality for us. Physicality leads to death ..Satan

It is Satan that is going to cause the torture in hell. You don't get to blame God for it. We chose to be under Satan's rule in this fallen reality and if you stick around after Judgment Day, he is going to take out his anger on what he hates most ..humans.

In order for us to think LIKE God, in His image, our souls had to be eternal. You are choosing who you want to follow in this reality.
Our soul accesses something infinite to function in the physical brain.
 

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If an eternal soul is required to think like God ..what do you think happens to a soul that doesn't want infinite order (peace)?

The soul is eternal, it has to keep existing somewhere. If it choses to remain in disorder, that is what it is going to get.
 

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We are experiencing the choice Adam and Eve had but from within the fallen reality. We are choosing disorder or order.
Adam and Eve got us into the mess, but we have the choice to get out of it with Jesus.
 

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John 14:3
"And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."

via Kevin Stewart

Could this mean physical bodies made of sin are not compatible? Jesus can obviously freely swap between types of environments.
 

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It is a gnostic teaching (even the primary teaching of gnosticism) that matter is evil and only what is spirit is good.
 

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You cherry pick what I write. Jesus is still our only way out of this mess.
If we become one with God ..and God is light ..does that mean something?
Explain how a physical person could be one-with-God. I think our heavenly bodies are something different than what you are expecting.
God died for us to more than forgive us ..He did it so we could become one with Him when this is over.
God didn't want us in this physical reality ..there is death here. Physicality is not going to be involved in becoming one with God.
God's Grace for infinity isn't going involve this cesspool.
 

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We are not sinful because we are in the flesh.

Jesus came in human flesh; yet He was without sin.

Agree or disagree?