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So does BS.Facts speak for themselves....
You should try to stick to facts instead . . .
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So does BS.Facts speak for themselves....
Yes, they did, in one form or another, syncretism has infiltrated the Church. I am not well versed on Pagan religions or practices, but anyone with a cursory understanding of Church history, will surely appreciate the potential, and actuality, of such a corruption. But, my thesis is not based solely on Pagan or other Religion's influences, but any anti or extra Biblical sources.Looking into the history of the rites of the ancient pagan religion in Rome, the rites were performed and controlled by a number of different priestly collegia and other special priests and magistrates. The priestly organizations that ranked below the collegia were known as sodalicia, and there were many "independent" priests of various cults who bore the title sacerdos. There were pagan beliefs that came in and were picked up and developed a priesthood and became strong in Rome such as the such as the Mysteries of Mithras or worship originating from ancient Babylon.
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Discipline of the Secret (Catholic Encyclopedia), Discipline of the Secret (Latin Disciplina Arcani ):
There are many other "unwritten mysteries of the Church," says St. Basilc. 66 and 67). They are not mentioned in the Scripture. But they are of great authority and significance. They are indispensable for the preservation of right faith. They are effective means of witness and communication. According to St. Basil, they come from a "silent" and "private" tradition: [From the silent and mystical tradition, from the unpublic and ineffable teaching]. This "silent" and "mystical" tradition, "which has not been made public," is not an esoteric doctrine, reserved for some particular elite. The "elite" was the Church. In fact, "tradition" to which St. Basil appeals, is the liturgical practice of the Church. St. Basil is referring here to what is now denoted as disciplina arcani [The discipline of secrecy].
These 'traditions' of the church of Rome can easily be traced to the source. The Collegium Pontificum in Rome came from ancient pagan religion in Babylon and was the priests who served the public rites of the State religion and contoled both the public rites and the priesthoods themselves. Its leader was the Pontifex Maximus (Greatest Pontiff) who acted as the speaker for the Collegium Pontificum, and oversaw the various priesthoods and the Comitia Curiata and the Vestals. The Flamines were the priest orders that served specific deities such as the Flamen Dialis (priests of Jupiter), the Flamen Martialis (priests of Mars) among the many orders.
Vesta, of the hearth and sacred fires...
When the zealots of the primitave Christian Church sought to Christianize paganism, the pagan initiates retorted with a powerful effort to paganize Christianity. The Christians failed but the pagans succeeded
Acts 14:12The Greeks considered Mercury, whom they called Hermes, to be the messenger of the gods...
...Venus, of sexual love and birth...
Because they gave them up during Lent - and now they were able to eat them again. Red was the Liturgical color of the Easter Season/Holy Spirit/Pentecost.
It would be weird to color the milk red, I guess . . .
First of all - the Bishop’s miter didn’t develop into its present form until the late Middle Ages – which is LONG after all of the “Dagon worshippers” were all dead and gone. Before that, it was a shorter version.
1 Samuel 5:4
"And when they arose early on the morrow morning, behold, Dagon was fallen upon his face to the ground before the ark of the LORD; and the head of Dagon and both the palms of his hands were cut off upon the threshold; only the stump of Dagon was left to him"
Overdosing on a little too much Jack Chick, I see.
I see you've been reading Alexander Hislop's nonsense probably via some Jack Chick tracts.
A Christian SHOULD be able to smell this kind of manure a mile away. Shame that YOU can't.
For one thing - this idiocy about Easter eggs being pf "pagan" origin.
Time for a Church history lesson . . .
Not sure if you're familiar with the Church season of Lent - but it's a time of self-denial, prayer, fasting and sacrifice. In the ancient Church - they didn't just give up meat on Fridays as an act of mortification of the flesh and as a means of drawing closer to God (Romans 8:13, Col. 3:5, Gal. 5:24). They actually went without ALL dairy products including milk, cheese and EGGS. This is why the practice of making pancakes the night before Ash Wednesday (Shrove Tuesday) became a tradition - because they would use up whatever dairy they had in the house.
It became a custom in the ancient Church to COLOR EGGS RED for Easter - the Traditional color of the Holy Spirit. You will STILL find this ancient practice in the Orthodox Churches and Eastern Rite Churches.
Next time you watch "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" - look for the scene when the family meets the boyfriend on Easter. The daughter and her father pull out two RED eggs, clink them together and say, "Christos Anesthi" (Christ is Risen!) and the response is "Alithos Anesti!" (Truly He is Risen!) .
Bottom line - do your homework before posting this kind of nonsense . . .
Looking into the history of the rites of the ancient pagan religion in Rome, the rites were performed and controlled by a number of different priestly collegia and other special priests and magistrates. The priestly organizations that ranked below the collegia were known as sodalicia, and there were many "independent" priests of various cults who bore the title sacerdos. There were pagan beliefs that came in and were picked up and developed a priesthood and became strong in Rome such as the such as the Mysteries of Mithras or worship originating from ancient Babylon.
If you look into church history you will find what is called the Disciplina Arcani or Discipline of the Secret or Discipline of the Arcane, which was a restriction imposing silence upon Christians with respect to their rites and doctrines. It was a theological term used to describe the 'tradition' or custom which came in and prevailed in the church, whereby knowledge of the more 'intimate mysteries' of the Christian religion was carefully kept from non-Christians and even from those who were undergoing instruction in the faith. Lets look see what this "Discipline" actually is from:
This term signifies in general that which is unknowable, or valuable knowledge that is kept secret. In pagan antiquity the word mystery was used to designate certain esoteric doctrines, such as Pythagoreanism, or certain ceremonies that were performed in private or whose meaning was known only to the initiated, e.g., the Eleusinian rites, Phallic worship. In the language of the early Christians the mysteries were those religious teachings that were carefully guarded from the knowledge of the profane (see DISCIPLINE OF THE SECRET).
..theological term used to express the custom which prevailed in the earliest ages of the Church, by which the knowledge of the more intimate mysteries of the Christian religion was carefully kept from the heathen and even from those who were undergoing instruction in the Faith. The custom itself is beyond dispute.
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Discipline of the Secret (Catholic Encyclopedia), Discipline of the Secret (Latin Disciplina Arcani ):
There are many other "unwritten mysteries of the Church," says St. Basilc. 66 and 67). They are not mentioned in the Scripture. But they are of great authority and significance. They are indispensable for the preservation of right faith. They are effective means of witness and communication. According to St. Basil, they come from a "silent" and "private" tradition: [From the silent and mystical tradition, from the unpublic and ineffable teaching]. This "silent" and "mystical" tradition, "which has not been made public," is not an esoteric doctrine, reserved for some particular elite. The "elite" was the Church. In fact, "tradition" to which St. Basil appeals, is the liturgical practice of the Church. St. Basil is referring here to what is now denoted as disciplina arcani [The discipline of secrecy].
These 'traditions' of the church of Rome can easily be traced to the source. The Collegium Pontificum in Rome came from ancient pagan religion in Babylon and was the priests who served the public rites of the State religion and contoled both the public rites and the priesthoods themselves. Its leader was the Pontifex Maximus (Greatest Pontiff) who acted as the speaker for the Collegium Pontificum, and oversaw the various priesthoods and the Comitia Curiata and the Vestals. The Flamines were the priest orders that served specific deities such as the Flamen Dialis (priests of Jupiter), the Flamen Martialis (priests of Mars) among the many orders.
Not sure what you're talking about - but I've never heard ANY Christian say that Christmas and Easter traditions are "above" scripture.What I hate about us imperfect human beings is we think the traditions such as Easter are equal to scripture. Well their not, no matter how much we imperfect humans try to say they are. Where in Scripture does it tell us to observe traditional days such as Easter and Christmas. We imperfect humans think too much of ourselves by putting these traditions which come from us mere imperfect humans on equal standing with Scripture. By doing that we are putting imperfect humans on equal standing with God, which is a very serious wrong.
1 Corinthians 11:1 Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. 2 Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you.
Looking into the history of the rites of the ancient pagan religion in Rome, the rites were performed and controlled by a number of different priestly collegia and other special priests and magistrates. The priestly organizations that ranked below the collegia were known as sodalicia, and there were many "independent" priests of various cults who bore the title sacerdos. There were pagan beliefs that came in and were picked up and developed a priesthood and became strong in Rome such as the such as the Mysteries of Mithras or worship originating from ancient Babylon.
If you look into church history you will find what is called the Disciplina Arcani or Discipline of the Secret or Discipline of the Arcane, which was a restriction imposing silence upon Christians with respect to their rites and doctrines. It was a theological term used to describe the 'tradition' or custom which came in and prevailed in the church, whereby knowledge of the more 'intimate mysteries' of the Christian religion was carefully kept from non-Christians and even from those who were undergoing instruction in the faith. Lets look see what this "Discipline" actually is from:
This term signifies in general that which is unknowable, or valuable knowledge that is kept secret. In pagan antiquity the word mystery was used to designate certain esoteric doctrines, such as Pythagoreanism, or certain ceremonies that were performed in private or whose meaning was known only to the initiated, e.g., the Eleusinian rites, Phallic worship. In the language of the early Christians the mysteries were those religious teachings that were carefully guarded from the knowledge of the profane (see DISCIPLINE OF THE SECRET).
..theological term used to express the custom which prevailed in the earliest ages of the Church, by which the knowledge of the more intimate mysteries of the Christian religion was carefully kept from the heathen and even from those who were undergoing instruction in the Faith. The custom itself is beyond dispute.
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Discipline of the Secret (Catholic Encyclopedia), Discipline of the Secret (Latin Disciplina Arcani ):
There are many other "unwritten mysteries of the Church," says St. Basilc. 66 and 67). They are not mentioned in the Scripture. But they are of great authority and significance. They are indispensable for the preservation of right faith. They are effective means of witness and communication. According to St. Basil, they come from a "silent" and "private" tradition: [From the silent and mystical tradition, from the unpublic and ineffable teaching]. This "silent" and "mystical" tradition, "which has not been made public," is not an esoteric doctrine, reserved for some particular elite. The "elite" was the Church. In fact, "tradition" to which St. Basil appeals, is the liturgical practice of the Church. St. Basil is referring here to what is now denoted as disciplina arcani [The discipline of secrecy].
These 'traditions' of the church of Rome can easily be traced to the source. The Collegium Pontificum in Rome came from ancient pagan religion in Babylon and was the priests who served the public rites of the State religion and contoled both the public rites and the priesthoods themselves. Its leader was the Pontifex Maximus (Greatest Pontiff) who acted as the speaker for the Collegium Pontificum, and oversaw the various priesthoods and the Comitia Curiata and the Vestals. The Flamines were the priest orders that served specific deities such as the Flamen Dialis (priests of Jupiter), the Flamen Martialis (priests of Mars) among the many orders.