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Yes, I would say so.
Knowing our peace with God gives peace to our lives. Being completely and forever at peace with God - when I hold this in mind - gives peace in my heart.
Much love!
Hebrews 4:9-13 KJV
9) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10) For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11) Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13) Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
God wants us to rest, and if we are resting, we've stopped doing our own works. So we work to enter this rest, because the word of God is living and powerful and sharper than the sharpest 2 edged sword,
It cuts deep, dividing in two soul and spirit.
I want to stop there for the moment.
That the word of God divides between soul and spirit is reason for us to work to enter our rest, and that rest is to stop doing our own works.
This is how I understand these things.
The soul speaks of the psyche, my personality, temperment, the sum of my experiences, what I think of as "me", but not of the Lord. The man I was born, the man I grew up to become, the man born from Adam, alive in flesh, with the flesh mind.
Before I was born again, this was all I had. Now I am a new man, spirit, though the man of flesh continues.
The spirit child born from God lives in the body born from Adam.
The Word of God shows me which is which.
Everything the Bible says is true, and my spirit rejoices. My soul sometimes cringes.
Everything the Bible instructs is good, and my spirit obeys. My soul sometimes bristles.
Everything the Bible promises is foundational, and my spirit stands firm. My soul sometimes fears.
Always rejoicing is the true state of the New Creation. The flesh is fickle.
Always loving is the true state of the New Creation. Always faithful. Always self-controlled.
Anything less is soulish.
God sees all of me, much more of me than I see. I can take His Word for all things, and let His Word clarify for me what is not of His Spirit, so I can rest!
Much love!
Hebrews 4:9-13 KJV
9) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10) For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11) Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13) Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
God wants us to rest, and if we are resting, we've stopped doing our own works. So we work to enter this rest, because the word of God is living and powerful and sharper than the sharpest 2 edged sword,
It cuts deep, dividing in two soul and spirit.
I want to stop there for the moment.
That the word of God divides between soul and spirit is reason for us to work to enter our rest, and that rest is to stop doing our own works.
This is how I understand these things.
The soul speaks of the psyche, my personality, temperment, the sum of my experiences, what I think of as "me", but not of the Lord. The man I was born, the man I grew up to become, the man born from Adam, alive in flesh, with the flesh mind.
Before I was born again, this was all I had. Now I am a new man, spirit, though the man of flesh continues.
The spirit child born from God lives in the body born from Adam.
The Word of God shows me which is which.
Everything the Bible says is true, and my spirit rejoices. My soul sometimes cringes.
Everything the Bible instructs is good, and my spirit obeys. My soul sometimes bristles.
Everything the Bible promises is foundational, and my spirit stands firm. My soul sometimes fears.
Always rejoicing is the true state of the New Creation. The flesh is fickle.
Always loving is the true state of the New Creation. Always faithful. Always self-controlled.
Anything less is soulish.
God sees all of me, much more of me than I see. I can take His Word for all things, and let His Word clarify for me what is not of His Spirit, so I can rest!
Good morning!No, no. Each thing in context. When Peter used the expression, it was in the context of discussing the Day of the Lord, i.e. after six thousand years of human history, and how heretics were questioning if it would ever come.
To me, this is the rest we have now.Yes there is a rest awaiting us, but not yet.
Ephesians 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
we put down our works, and take up His
Matthew 11:Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
It's an interesting point of view, now I'm wondering how we're not talking about the same thing. What characterized the "millennial rest"? The rest I'm talking about is the cessation of my own efforts to reconcile to God, to remain reconciled, to be fruitful in my life, any of this. Instead, to focus my trust in my Father, and do with love what presents itself to me to be done, whether addressing some circumstance, or responding to an inner direction, I rest knowing Jesus works beside me, and His work is what is getting the job done.we enter into the millennial rest now by walking in faith,
I've noticed many times when I've felt positively bouyed up as I'm doing what I know God wants. Other times, I'm pushing against fatigue and pain.I have heard in my church that if we serve God we have more energy and strength to do his will. So in a way it's a type of rest to be in his Holy Spirit and the fruits of His Holy Spirit. Love and Peace being the one's I notice the most (Galatians 5:22-25).
I couldn't really find in your post where you showed from the context that this restis the "millennial kingdom" rest, and not a rest we enter now.Many will not enter God's resting place, The Millennial Kingdom because of unbelief.
but it is also pointing to trusting in fully in the providence of God and his promises to us.
this passage is pointing to resting in the finished work of Christ on the cross,
Ah, coming back to topic, dividing between soul and spirit, I'm sure I know what you are saying here. I want to use these words to show a distinction.But we still have our sinful impulses as new believers.
Many will not enter God's resting place, The Millennial Kingdom because of unbelief.
So what I don't see is what tells you that this rest isn't now? That it's later, and refers to "the average believer in the millennium"? Whatever "average" is referring to
Boy! Hard to keep a thread on topic! Particularly when I find the discussion so interesting!
It's an interesting point of view, now I'm wondering how we're not talking about the same thing. What characterized the "millennial rest"? The rest I'm talking about is the cessation of my own efforts to reconcile to God...
There is a great difference between the soul and the spirit, and the soul can be divided and should be divided from the spirit. Moreover, 1 Corinthians 2:14-15 shows us that unless the soul is subdued by the spirit and submissive to the spirit, the soul is against the spirit and contradicts the spirit. These verses say, “But a soulish man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him and he is not able to know them because they are discerned spiritually. But the spiritual man discerns all things, but he himself is discerned by no one.” Soulish implies the meaning of natural or psychological. A soulish man is a natural man, a man living in the soul. The soul is absolutely impotent in spiritual matters.
Will we enter His rest now?
What does it look like to enter that rest now. That's what you were saying, right?Yes, I know. When I say millennial rest, I am referring to entering into that time together with Christ after His return where I belong to His kingdom and am sharing in the fruits of it. I'm referring to entering the thousand year reign with Him, not figuratively but in the literal, after the Antichrist has been deposed and all things have been put under His feet, and He establishes His throne in Jerusalem.
I think you underestimate what I mean when I say "rest".You are not wrong in your understanding of rest,
and has practical aspects for us physically,
Very good assessment. Let me expand on it.Hebrews 4:9-13 KJV
9) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10) For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11) Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
12) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
13) Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
God wants us to rest, and if we are resting, we've stopped doing our own works. So we work to enter this rest, because the word of God is living and powerful and sharper than the sharpest 2 edged sword,
It cuts deep, dividing in two soul and spirit.
I want to stop there for the moment.
That the word of God divides between soul and spirit is reason for us to work to enter our rest, and that rest is to stop doing our own works.
This is how I understand these things.
The soul speaks of the psyche, my personality, temperment, the sum of my experiences, what I think of as "me", but not of the Lord. The man I was born, the man I grew up to become, the man born from Adam, alive in flesh, with the flesh mind.
Before I was born again, this was all I had. Now I am a new man, spirit, though the man of flesh continues.
The spirit child born from God lives in the body born from Adam.
The Word of God shows me which is which.
Everything the Bible says is true, and my spirit rejoices. My soul sometimes cringes.
Everything the Bible instructs is good, and my spirit obeys. My soul sometimes bristles.
Everything the Bible promises is foundational, and my spirit stands firm. My soul sometimes fears.
Always rejoicing is the true state of the New Creation. The flesh is fickle.
Always loving is the true state of the New Creation. Always faithful. Always self-controlled.
Anything less is soulish.
God sees all of me, much more of me than I see. I can take His Word for all things, and let His Word clarify for me what is not of His Spirit, so I can rest!
Much love!