Do animals have rights?

[Taken]

breath of life does not mean an immortal soul

So?
Did you already forget you point was about IF animals have souls.
Animals do have souls.

 

[Hidden In Him]

So?
Did you already forget you point was about IF animals have souls.
Animals do have souls.

I wish more humans had souls, because many seem to lack a sense of humor.

 

[MatthewG]

Do animal have rights?

Well... I like to eat meats so if a farmer sells his cattle to a slaughter house God made the animals to eat.

To abuse, dogs or cats, or birds, or anything like that is pretty mean if you ask me.

There are people who start off killing small animals at a young age, then go to murdering human beings it is sad but a very reality in this life.

 

[JohnPaul]

Animals have the right to be treated humanely.

 

[Taken]

I wish more humans had souls, because many seem to lack a sense of humor.

LOL...funny entertaining birds. Thanks for sharing!

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Animals have the right to be treated humanely.

I wonder if I got treated humanly ? in my school days or working life ! I did not see it that way at all.

Some people are sick or depraved or possessed or somewhat Possessed in some way. I have come to understand such people more clearly nowadays.

My uncle had a million dollar horse and some low life went and killed it, wrapped plastic around it's head. why would some moron do such a thing to a Horse. I remember that horse he would come to me for a pat.

I have seen people kick their own dog, but such stupid dogs would be in the way and the owner would nearly trip over it at times, spilling there beer or Rum.
One mate who is a nut lived down the road killed his Cat, kicked it and broke it's back for peeing in his bed room the 2ed time and he killed one of his 3rd wife's dog for bighting him when feeding it, for the 3rd time was the last, he tossed the little rat mongrel thing up against a wall. Mick being a bad tempered Mori just looses the plot also shot 2ed his wife's dog and came in and tossed the collar on her laying on the couch and said your next.
Mick boast about such to everyone and I said you can not do that ! he thinks I am joking, claims it's his and he can do anything he wants with such.
Old Mick claims he is a bad combination Half Mori and half Viking, he claims that we would not wish that on anyone ! so he did not want kids. but he ended up with a Ratbag Kid to a German woman, what a brat he is, I said he will burn down your house ! just like Mick did to his parents home when he was a kid and Mick he said, yep probably.

But then again I have seen brats who look for fights getting about in gangs, bashing people up badly, stealing you name it ! but society has created such people in fact, they have accommodated them and let such fester ! they are invested in growing such idiots from the beginning but then coming the playing the big hero deluded clown cracking down on such idiots ? acting the big hero game play, when they planted the very seed that creates such !
For they know not what they do !
If they were growing a garden ? they disregard the management of it from the start so it has the weeds growing up out of control, they are degenerate no hopers who have no right to be in charge of a Garden in fact as the proof is in the pudding ! they would use poison to kill off the weeds but also kill the fruit ? They are not worthy of God ! because the proof is in the pudding.
That's Socialism for you Godless degenerates, they can not see past their own nose.

 

[JohnPaul]

I wonder if I got treated humanly ? in my school days or working life ! I did not see it that way at all.

Some people are sick or depraved or possessed or somewhat Possessed in some way. I have come to understand such people more clearly nowadays.

My uncle had a million dollar horse and some low life went and killed it, wrapped plastic around it's head. why would some moron do such a thing to a Horse. I remember that horse he would come to me for a pat.

I have seen people kick their own dog, but such stupid dogs would be in the way and the owner would nearly trip over it at times, spilling there beer or Rum.
One mate who is a nut lived down the road killed his Cat, kicked it and broke it's back for peeing in his bed room the 2ed time and he killed one of his 3rd wife's dog for bighting him when feeding it, for the 3rd time was the last, he tossed the little rat mongrel thing up against a wall. Mick being a bad tempered Mori just looses the plot also shot 2ed his wife's dog and came in and tossed the collar on her laying on the couch and said your next.
Mick boast about such to everyone and I said you can not do that ! he thinks I am joking, claims it's his and he can do anything he wants with such.
Old Mick claims he is a bad combination Half Mori and half Viking, he claims that we would not wish that on anyone ! so he did not want kids. but he ended up with a Ratbag Kid to a German woman, what a brat he is, I said he will burn down your house ! just like Mick did to his parents home when he was a kid and Mick he said, yep probably.

But then again I have seen brats who look for fights getting about in gangs, bashing people up badly, stealing you name it ! but society has created such people in fact, they have accommodated them and let such fester ! they are invested in growing such idiots from the beginning but then coming the playing the big hero deluded clown cracking down on such idiots ? acting the big hero game play, when they planted the very seed that creates such !
For they know not what they do !
If they were growing a garden ? they disregard the management of it from the start so it has the weeds growing up out of control, they are degenerate no hopers who have no right to be in charge of a Garden in fact as the proof is in the pudding ! they would use poison to kill off the weeds but also kill the fruit ? They are not worthy of God ! because the proof is in the pudding.
That's Socialism for you Godless degenerates, they can not see past their own nose.

God's creatures are to be treated humanely, why abuse an animal? To kill it for food is just or clothing as God gave us dominion over the animals and Earth, but not to outright abuse an animal and mistreat it.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

God's creatures are to be treated humanely, why abuse an animal? To kill it for food is just or clothing as God gave us dominion over the animals and Earth, but not to outright abuse an animal and mistreat it.

Sure !
But We get abused all the time and mistreated, that's life.

A mate is a waiter now and he says how rude people are in how they can treat him, he is in a posh area serving the rich snobs and he says that he feels like punching some of them people in the face, because they are so outright rude and degrading, that they are way out of control and this mate and his wife can fight well.

Understanding abuse ? Nowadays we have a abuse police, Social Justice ! it's a creation from the Socialist garden ? a one track mindset ! indoctrination ! not education ? So such has become it's own one way street !

They do not have a handle on what they are claiming, they are like a Law unto their own ? but they have no Grace !
So they are like a robot on such issues. not to mention they will play any cards they want at will, to justify themselves, yet do not understand jack.

So they will go about making any claim on say farmers ? so in come a total degenerate dictating the deal to one who is a master of such ?
They can make any claim and cause so much trouble ! but lets say a Horse has cancer or is sick, old age etc etc some boofhead comes into the fray with total ignorance and not to mention that total ignorance is applauded by the same simpletons.

I have a mate up the road who would never be seen taking the raw prawn deal and get on his hands and knees for anyone in a Job ! he wanted to start from the top ! but he is one who will love to look down on another and laugh at them for doing the hard yards slogging it out. so he never worked a day in his life he is 60yo now.

What of them who go above and beyond duty to work what others would totally refuse, but they get nothing but abuse day in day out. but they get on with the job regardless.

So one can see some boofhead having kittens over some issue but is in fact total disregard for another issue and why is that, well they have been indoctrinated to see one and not the other. It's the same with the Gay issues, we have idiots falling all over themselves on such issues and sadly all other issues are nil avoid nothing to be seen here. It's because some issue is in trend ! and the trendy dupes swallow it all 100% because they are simpleton clowns.

 

[marksman]

“Babies lives matter”.

All live born lives matter. A developing thing, has two stand out elements...the seed itself and the planting of the seed.

A good seed, planted in something corrupt...
A corrupt seed, planted in something good...
A good seed, planted in something good...
A corrupt seed, planted in something corrupt...

Concerning humans...God Knows...men hope and guess.
Concerning plants......God Knows...men hope, guess, or might know.

A developing fetus is the expectation of a Human Baby Person.
A Baby is not a Human Person, until it born alive, severed from it’s developing life source.

Where does it say in scripture that a baby is not a human person until it is born alive? Such a claim means that the minute before it is born it is dead and the minute it is born, it is alive. That begs the question if it is born at 22 weeks and is alive before it comes out of the womb, how can a baby in the womb at 22 weeks be dead. I don't think so, especially as with the use of ultrasound a baby in the womb can be clearly seen to be alive. I know, I have seen them. And I have photos of babies which have been aborted and are obviously alive in the womb.

 

[marksman]

God's creatures are to be treated humanely, why abuse an animal? To kill it for food is just or clothing as God gave us dominion over the animals and Earth, but not to outright abuse an animal and mistreat it.

And why can you go to prison if you kill a dog but you are paid if you kill a baby,

 

[JohnPaul]

And why can you go to prison if you kill a dog but you are paid if you kill a baby,

Because society is screwed up.

 

[Taken]

Where does it say in scripture that a baby is not a human person until it is born alive?

Where in Scripture does it mention “human persons”?

Such a claim means that the minute before it is born it is dead

No.
The minute before it is born, it is not a person.
It is a developing thing, still in dependency on the Placenta Source as it’s nutrient, oxygen, waste, with the expectation an Individual person will be born.

and the minute it is born, it is alive.

The minute it is born and severed from it’s developing life Source, AND receives Gods Breath of Life, it is an individual Living Person.

That begs the question if it is born at 22 weeks and is alive before it comes out of the womb, how can a baby in the womb at 22 weeks be dead.

Developing is one thing.
Born is another thing.

When ANY seed is planted, it has a development stage, before it becomes what you expect the seed TO Become.
You don’t crack the shell of an acorn, plant it, and say look, see, I have an oak tree!

Why call a developing fetus, a person before it is born?
A person is a Man-KIND born alive thing.

I don't think so, especially as with the use of ultrasound a baby in the womb can be clearly seen to be alive. I know, I have seen them. And I have photos of babies which have been aborted and are obviously alive in the womb.

Does the planting of an acorn NOT begin growing developing ROOTS in the ground you do not SEE, long before it bursts through the soil and the expectation of a Tree has been manifested?

So you can see ultra-sound images of a fetus wiggling around in the placenta, in the womb?
Developing things, are Developing! They grow, they move about expanding, enlarging as they are developing.

The developing expectation of a Man-Kind of person IN a Placenta, IN a womb, IS wholly dependent on it’s connection to the Placenta, via the umbilical cord attachment. It IS the developing fetus’ dependency source for nutrients, oxygen intake and waste outtake.

Read the Scriptures.
When was the first man CALLED a man-KIND of thing?
...AFTER it was FORM-ED....Not during it’s formation.
When did God Breathe His Breath of Life into the nostrils of the first man-KIND of thing?
...AFTER it was FORM-ED...Not during it’s formation.

Gen 2
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Was that form-ed thing a manKIND of thing BEFORE it was form-ED?
While God was form-ING it? No.
Was the manKIND of thing a LIVING MAN BEFORE it received Gods, BREATH OF LIFE? No.

What “IF”, a fetus passed through the birth canal, exited the mothers womb, still connected to the Placenta, was severed from the Placenta.......and God DID NOT blow His Breath into the nostrils of that thing?

Would that thing, BE a Person?
No.

Persons are ALIVE manKIND of things.
ManKIND of things WITHOUT its own LIFE is not a PERSON.
A ManKIND of thing MUST have its own independent LIFE before it can Become a DEAD thing.
A ManKIND of thing never having its own independent LIFE does NOT become Dead.
A ManKIND of thing, that is born, has it’s own independent LIFE, and then physically DIES, is not thereafter called a Person.
* Dead Body’s are not called Persons.

Adam in the process of being FORMED, was neither ALIVE or DEAD.
Adam was not independently ALIVE, until God blew His Breath into the nostrils of Adams fully FORM-ED body.

Did something in Scripture teach you, God changed His method and Began Blowing His Breath of Life into a manKIND of thing BEFORE it was form-ED, In the Placenta, Connected to the Placenta?

Knowing Gods Knowledge, Understanding Gods Knowledge, is not to be construed to mean, a declaration of SUPPORTING what other men think, advocate, say, do.

 

[marksman]

Where in Scripture does it mention “human persons”?



No.
The minute before it is born, it is not a person.
It is a developing thing, still in dependency on the Placenta Source as it’s nutrient, oxygen, waste, with the expectation an Individual person will be born.



The minute it is born and severed from it’s developing life Source, AND receives Gods Breath of Life, it is an individual Living Person.



Developing is one thing.
Born is another thing.

When ANY seed is planted, it has a development stage, before it becomes what you expect the seed TO Become.
You don’t crack the shell of an acorn, plant it, and say look, see, I have an oak tree!

Why call a developing fetus, a person before it is born?
A person is a Man-KIND born alive thing.



Does the planting of an acorn NOT begin growing developing ROOTS in the ground you do not SEE, long before it bursts through the soil and the expectation of a Tree has been manifested?

So you can see ultra-sound images of a fetus wiggling around in the placenta, in the womb?
Developing things, are Developing! They grow, they move about expanding, enlarging as they are developing.

The developing expectation of a Man-Kind of person IN a Placenta, IN a womb, IS wholly dependent on it’s connection to the Placenta, via the umbilical cord attachment. It IS the developing fetus’ dependency source for nutrients, oxygen intake and waste outtake.

Read the Scriptures.
When was the first man CALLED a man-KIND of thing?
...AFTER it was FORM-ED....Not during it’s formation.
When did God Breathe His Breath of Life into the nostrils of the first man-KIND of thing?
...AFTER it was FORM-ED...Not during it’s formation.

Gen 2
[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Was that form-ed thing a manKIND of thing BEFORE it was form-ED?
While God was form-ING it? No.
Was the manKIND of thing a LIVING MAN BEFORE it received Gods, BREATH OF LIFE? No.

What “IF”, a fetus passed through the birth canal, exited the mothers womb, still connected to the Placenta, was severed from the Placenta.......and God DID NOT blow His Breath into the nostrils of that thing?

Would that thing, BE a Person?
No.

Persons are ALIVE manKIND of things.
ManKIND of things WITHOUT its own LIFE is not a PERSON.
A ManKIND of thing MUST have its own independent LIFE before it can Become a DEAD thing.
A ManKIND of thing never having its own independent LIFE does NOT become Dead.
A ManKIND of thing, that is born, has it’s own independent LIFE, and then physically DIES, is not thereafter called a Person.
* Dead Body’s are not called Persons.

Adam in the process of being FORMED, was neither ALIVE or DEAD.
Adam was not independently ALIVE, until God blew His Breath into the nostrils of Adams fully FORM-ED body.

Did something in Scripture teach you, God changed His method and Began Blowing His Breath of Life into a manKIND of thing BEFORE it was form-ED, In the Placenta, Connected to the Placenta?

Knowing Gods Knowledge, Understanding Gods Knowledge, is not to be construed to mean, a declaration of SUPPORTING what other men think, advocate, say, do.

That is the most convoluted, inexplicable, and improbable explanation of life I have ever heard in all my 50 years of being informed on the issue. All I can say is no thanks, I prefer God's simple explanation.

 

[Taken]

That is the most convoluted, inexplicable, and improbable explanation of life I have ever heard in all my 50 years of being informed on the issue. All I can say is no thanks.

LOL

I prefer God's simple explanation.

Which is what?

 

[Brakelite]

In some ways animals have the same rights as people...and it is up to people to ensure those rights are granted.
First, the right to rest.
“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days thou shalt labour and do all thy work, but the sevent day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. In it thou shalt not do any work. Thou nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Second, the right to life.
And He said unto them, "What man shall there be among you that shall have one sheep, and it fall into a pit on the Sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?"

Third, the right to clothing.
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves."

Fourth, the right to food.
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves...