Now for the weeds and tares of the argument, but first the only thing true that is said in it all:
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“Sin” is any thought, word, or action that is contrary to the character or law of God.
True, which is why the work of God begins within the heart first to purify the soul at once, that the outside may be clean: instant inward and outward sanctification of Christ.
The Christian saint is given that power to guard the heart from receiving again the lust of the world to sin again.
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Now for all the lies against the truth of Scripture:
Not true: All have sinned, not all are still sinning.
Christ has come in the flesh.
Partly true half-lie: true with things needful for the body, not with sinning with the body.
Mortal flesh, like all living creatures, have needs of the flesh to survive: breath, food, drink, rest, sleep, exercise...
It is the soul and spirit of a man that lusts to sin
with the flesh, and so even sins against his own body.
Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
The body wants to eat and drink, It is the soul that lusts to be a glutton and drunkard, which is not at all good for the body, but is most pleasurable for the soul, at least for a season until the body gets it the morning after. The the soul and spirit is not so happy about the night before.
Partially true again with an implied lie: True for the wretched double minded, not true for the saints delivered therefrom:
Quoting wretched double mindedness in Rom 7 is only for them that are
still carnal and sold under sin, Which does not include the saints delivered from the law of sin and death by the law of the Spirit of Life in Rom 8.
Partially true again, with yet another implied lie about them that are no more double minded:
They doing righteousness at all times according to the commandment, are saying that they are without sin.
I personally have never heard nor even read any Christian saint say any such thing: can anyone please provide a quote of anyone on this sight saying these words?
The only ones who come close to it, are many Christian sinners
accusing saints of saying so.
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
The Big Lie:
And so, the conclusion of sinful Christian theology is: they do sin, and certainly will sin. And there certainly is no 'if', and's, nor but's about it.
A falsehood wrapped in humility:
Sinful Christians only
agree with God about sinning: they do not confess from the heart with godly sorrow unto repentance of sinning.
Just like all unbelieving sinners, their sorrow is only of the world again and again and again at being found out, not the godly sorrow that repents of it.
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
All sinners, whether Christian or unbelieving, are still dying from their ongoing sinning, but only Christian sinners don't believe it is dying to God and His fellowship.
Do sinful Christians sin? Yes. Do they willfully continue to sin? Well, yes and no. Their spirit doesn't want to, but the body does, and so it's not really them that do it, but the rascally bad ol' body only. It's a little complicated.
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
How does one declare on the one hand that they do and will sin, and yet not be committed to sinning again and again and again? They say plainly when they will sin,and never 'if' at all.
Because it is no more their
spiritual will to do so, but only their flesh's lust to do so: they do sin like all sinners, but they no more do it
willingly with the spirit, but only begrudgingly by the body.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Like the man said,
"Judge, I really didn't want to do that. I mean, it's like something just came over my body. I really couldn't help myself. I am so so sorry." "That's fine son, but both you and your body are going to prison."
The soul does all the sinning with the body. The body does not sin despite the soul. It is the soul and spirit of man that lust's to sin with the body, not the body lusting to sin against the soul and spirit of man.
Natural man denies both spirit and soul, and gives himself naturally to the things of the flesh and this life only. Sinful Christians teaching sinful Christianity, like all sinners, still give themselves to the flesh and this life only from time to time, but now they deny it is their own will to do so, but only that of the body:
Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well.
Sinful Christianity denies the power of God to have power over their own will to repent of lusting and overcome sinning, and instead teach the form of godliness called sinful Christian living, that thinks to do more and more good, while continuing to do less and less evil unto the end.
They think they are becoming more and more like Jesus in this life, while never believing it is possible to be like Jesus in the days of His flesh.
All sinful Christians are unbelieving Christians, who desire to worship Jesus as God in their spirits, but only idolize His life as a man come in the flesh, and dual nature theology is it's crowning, and crowing achievement of self-justification for it: it's no more me doing the sinning, but my body only.
Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Jesus was made of the seed of David coming in the same mortal sinless flesh, as every other man born of a woman on earth.
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Why feel the need to "correct" me?
There are more than 45,000 denominations globally. Followers of Jesus span the globe. But the global body of more than 2 billion Christians is separated into thousands of denominations. Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Baptist, Apostolic, Methodist — the list goes on, and on, and on...
Why?
J.