Do We as Christians Keep the Mosaic Law?

[richard79408]

Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,
As an aside we live in a nation where folks want to believe that Jesus is coming back via the rapture and other such things. A study of covenants changes all of that and a lot of folks are not willing to make that journey--after all they have what they believe to be the truth--so why question something so exciting.

However, It is helpful is one understands what the new covenant proclaims when identifying Christians.. The big one while there are many but the one that really is obvious--is the clear and distinct change in the priesthood. Now, all men/women are priests--where as prior under the Mosaic law only the men in the tribe of Levi.
Most of us have not considered just how far reaching that is--So much so that when one tries to put man today back under the Mosaic law--one is keeping them separated from Christ--when anyone hears and then follows that teaching.

Covent study separates all this out--not easy in fact it is hard and a lot of work but then for many reading this--this is the first thinking at all on the study of Covenants--It is hard to understand the role of Jesus to the lost nation of Israel--or, to even understand that israel was lost when the Messiah came to redeem them..but they refused and lost the covenant.

Richard79408

 

[richard79408]

Greetings from sunny Texas, You might find it interesting to look at a brief history of man and God--through the RCC split in 1054 with the Greek Orthodox--through the Reformation through the restoration. It does not take long as most of it is graphs. You can choose to follow the link at the end and see for yourself what the RCC did to the world with the addition of a title page in the scriptures in 1486. The man who did this research has some interesting facts you don't know.. you can go to http://rgfheart.com/cov/hist and enjoy the study

Richard79408

ps--most of us are clueless as to the power and influence of the Rcc and most of us are not a part of it--yet it hits us every time we turn around and most times we do not know it.

Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,
In doing research into the covenants--I ran across this question. So I will share with you the question and the answers that I found in scripture. You may know of some that I do not. enjoy
QUESTION: Why were gospel written? I got the John one in producing faith and then I really begin to look.
[1] They were written to show the "FULFILLMENT" of Jeremiahs OT prophecy that God "WOULD END" His old covenant and the law with Israel-AND- make a new covenant through Christ for the Jews--jere 31:31-33.
[2] They were written to show that Christ was the "end" of the law of Moses by his death on the cross (Rom.10:1-4).
[3] They were written to show that all Jews became "dead to the law" by the body of Christ on the cross (Rom.7:4).
[4] They were written to show that Christ "nailed" the law of Moses to his cross (Col. 2:14).
[5] They were written to show that Christ "abolished" the Old Testament law of Moses by the offering of his body on the cross (Eph. 2:15-16).
[6] They were written to show that Christ "abolished" God's Old Covenant with Israel (2 Cor. 3:13-14).
[7] They were written to show that Christ "took away" the Old Covenant with Israel that he might establish the New Covenant with the church (Heb. 10:9-10).

One has to stop and really begin to think about the consequences of the teachings of these texts.. This is not a little thing--consequences for not getting these texts like no rapture, no 1,000 year reign and that is one reason why many have problems with the above texts given as they are so
Let's think about the teaching of these texts.Richard79408

 

[Strat]

.Modern Christians keep any law they feel good about and makes them feel good about themselves....Mosaic or otherwise

 

[richard79408]

Strat, greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

Hmmm. Isn't that a lot like saying--Here in the USA one will only keep the laws they feel good about--?

You know from an American standpoint--we are most certainly free to do exactly what you are stating.

But when we do so--do we not forget that God is not a democrat and He gives us what He wants from us--and, while it is then our choice about whether or not we choose to do so--choice carries consequences.

And, scripture is full of examples of folks who do exactly what you suggest and each time they fared poorly.

Richard79408

 

[Strat]

Strat, greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

Hmmm. Isn't that a lot like saying--Here in the USA one will only keep the laws they feel good about--?

You know from an American standpoint--we are most certainly free to do exactly what you are stating.

But when we do so--do we not forget that God is not a democrat and He gives us what He wants from us--and, while it is then our choice about whether or not we choose to do so--choice carries consequences.

And, scripture is full of examples of folks who do exactly what you suggest and each time they fared poorly.

Richard79408

I agree...but we have a new system in America now,it's called for whatever a man sows that shal his neigbor also reap,or put another way i screw up and you get the bill....pretty neat ain't it....no more need for the individual consequences that God put in place to regulate behaviour....yep...it's just a big ole party now.

 

[richard79408]

Strat, greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

I believe you have hit the nail on the head with a big hammer.

Richard 79408

 

[richard79408]

In the study of covenants i.e. the Mosaic law and the Law of Christ on Pentecost after the cross--there is one negative teaching that flows in both covenants.
When I was a child many many years ago--living in a small town in Nebraska--our small town put on a free outdoor movie during the summer for the town.
I had a five block walk to get to the town and the movie. Not bad going to the movie but leaving the movie sometimes it was overcast and neither the moon or the stars were showing. Oh did I mention we did not have street lights..
So this is a deeply buried memory that war resurrected in my studies of covenants and the emphasis in each covenant on hell.
A lot of folks don't want to believe in it but during the ministry of Jesus did you catch how often Jesus talked about it?
So, question one--Did God lie to us about hell? Or, is it man that does not want to believe in hell--so it is man that tries to make it go away?
And, if God lied to us about Hell, Did God lie to us about other things? Well, let's see?
The Bible reveals the Character of God--
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:11 You are the only one who knows what is in your own mind, and God's Spirit is the only one who knows what is in God's mind.
1Co 2:12 But God has given us his Spirit. That's why we don't think the same way that the people of this world think. That's also why we can recognize the blessings that God has given us.
1Co 2:13 Every word we speak was taught to us by God's Spirit, not by human wisdom. And this same Spirit helps us teach spiritual things to spiritual people.
Try to pick up on the idea that God reveals Himself to us in "words which the Spirit teacheth..
Jesus tells us--Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Again--note the "every Word" which tells us that hunting and pecking through the word to take just the texts we want or choose to believe is going to work.
Eternal punishment is the PROMISE OF GOD...again in both covenants
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Judgment is certain and so is the "lake of fire" for those who reject God and His will for them in their lives.
To be continued

Richard79408

 

[Sabitarian]

Mark S,
The problem with you Christian’s is that you use preconceived notions to decipher scripture by. There is no backing for any of your post as the Sacrificial Law is the only one given just to the Children of Israel. They were not all Jews as there were 12 tribes not just one. The Jews are just the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. Not all of the Jews were from the tribes of Israel as some were from the Moabites which are from Lot and the story of Ruth tells of this. Her son is in the direct line of the Lord. Not all of the people coming out of Egypt were Children of Israel as some were strangers or Egyptians. There is more than one law as there is ceremonial, moral, and sacrificial, so when did the moral and ceremonial come into existence. I would be nice if you would actually read the scriptures as they are written, not as preconceived, as that is Papal doctrine that you have accepted as fact. The only proof for that is not in scripture but the catholic teachings. The Catholics laugh at you for following their teachings while calling yourself Protestants. The people who founded the protestant religions knew the truth and said so, although they did not bring it into the religion.

www.date1.ruGen 1:14
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
(KJV)
Please explain away this example of the beginnings of the ceremonial law. If you examine this scripture it becomes clear the ceremonial law is spoken of here in the beginning.
OT:4150

mowed` (mo-ade'); or moed` (mo-ade'); or (feminine) mow` adah (2 Chron 8:13) (mo-aw-daw'); from OT:3259; properly, an appointment, i.e. a fixed time or season; specifically, a festival; conventionally a year; by implication, an assembly (as convened for a definite purpose); technically the congregation; by extension, the place of meeting; also a signal (as appointed beforehand):


KJV - appointed (sign, time), (place of, solemn) assembly, congregation, (set, solemn) feast, (appointed, due) season, solemn (-ity), synogogue, (set) time (appointed).
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
If you notice the word seasons in the scripture, this is the definition. Particularly the word festivals as that is one of the words to describe the Holy Days of God. Part of the ceremonial law is the fourth commandment or the Sabbath, convenient that. The ten commandments are the moral law and all ten are still in effect. “O”, yes the sacrificial law was fulfilled not done away with, check Matthew 5:17-18 for the Masters words. Did you notice where this scripture came from.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

 

[richard79408]

Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

To attempt to live under any part of the Mosaic law especially by folks to whom it was never given is not going to work. To worship on the Sabbath does nothing for God as it was removed at the cross.
Sorry

Richard79408

 

[Sabitarian]

richard,
Please find the specific scripture for back up for your premis that the Sabbath was hung on the cross, it is not there as Christ specifically tells you He did not hang any laws of God's laws on His cross. Matthew 5:17-18. Please tell me what is the sign of God, as it has to have His Name, where His authority comes from and what he tells us to do in it? there is only one place where it is listed in the whole Bible and you need to go through the Book until you find it as the end is near and when the tribulation starts it will soo be too late for you recognize this important fact and change your thinking to the truth.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

 

[Saint]

When we receive the Spirit of God we receive the mind of Yeshua;

1 Corinthians 2:11-16, For who among you know the thoughts of a man except the spirit of a man, which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God, no one knows except the Spirit of God. Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the spirit who is from God, that we might know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them because they are spiritually appraised (discerned). But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no man. For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.

However that mind is immature and without the word of God to educate it as Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 3:1:23 we are like children. The mind of Yeshua allows us to receive and understand the word of God. If all of these things were inherent when we received the Holy Spirit why would we need the word of God?

In Yeshua Messiah,

Bob

 

[JLB]

Colossians 2:16-17

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Hebrews 7:12

12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.

Galatians 3:19

19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.


What was the Law of Moses added to? The Abrahamic Covenant, of which we are a part of in Christ Jesus!

The Law of Moses could not set aside this covenant which is everlasting.

Is the Law of Moses still in effect, yes. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Matthew 5:18

For all who are not in Christ, shall perish according to the Law of Moses.

Are we to keep the law of Moses. No

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them." Galatians 3:10

 

[williemac]

richard,
Please find the specific scripture for back up for your premis that the Sabbath was hung on the cross, it is not there as Christ specifically tells you He did not hang any laws of God's laws on His cross. Matthew 5:17-18. Please tell me what is the sign of God, as it has to have His Name, where His authority comes from and what he tells us to do in it? there is only one place where it is listed in the whole Bible and you need to go through the Book until you find it as the end is near and when the tribulation starts it will soo be too late for you recognize this important fact and change your thinking to the truth.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

In Math.5:17-18, Jesus said that HE would fulfill the law. Ever wonder how He would do that?

As for your request, it is found in Col.2:14, where Paul explains that Jesus wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against them, and contrary to them, having taken IT out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. So what could this be? What is mentioned in scripture concerning any handwritten requirement? The commandments given to Moses on Mount Sinai, which were written in God's own handwriting. The law. The people were required to obey it. The law requires righteousness. This is why it is called the righteous requirement of the law. However, we know that in God's standard, there is none righteous.

Therefore, Paul told the Galatians that if there was a law given that could have given life, then truly righteousness would have been by the law (Gal.3:21).
But rather than life, the law brought death...2Cor.3:10..."the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones" Paul called the law which was written on stones in God's handwriting, the ministry of death. This is none other than the handwriting of requirements "that were against us" (Col.2:14). Of course if they brought death, they certainly were against us. Therefore, Jesus nailed this to the cross. It is figurative language. It simply means that to qualify for the gift of life, we are not required to keep the law. The sacrifice of Jesus took away the enforcement of the law that was against us: Death. The law points out our sin, condemning us (2Cor.3:9). The cross forgives our sin. The law demands a penalty. This penalty was fulfilled by Jesus at calvary. The law was fulfilled by Jesus. To this day, in everyone who comes to Him in humility and faith, the penalty of the law is fulfilled. We died with Him. The law can no longer kill us. My old man is dead (in Christ). You can't kill a dead man. Thus, the handwriting of requirements (the law of Moses), was nailed to the cross.

 

[richard79408]

Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

What exactly do we know about the conditions in that place known as Hell?

Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

And these shall go away — these “cursed” ones. Sentence, it should seem, was first pronounced - in the hearing of the wicked - upon the righteous, who thereupon sit as assessors in the judgment upon the wicked (1Co_6:2); but sentence is first executed, it should seem, upon the wicked, in the sight of the righteous - whose glory will thus not be beheld by the wicked, while their descent into “their own place” will be witnessed by the righteous, as Bengel notes.

into everlasting punishment — or, as in Mat_25:41, “everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.” Compare Mat_13:42; 2Th_1:9, etc. This is said to be “prepared for the devil and his angels,” because they were “first in transgression.” But both have one doom, because one unholy character.
but the righteous into life eternal — that is, “life everlasting.” The word in both clauses, being in the original the same, should have been the same in the translation also. Thus the decisions of this awful day will be final, irreversible, unending.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

We see that the result is everlasting and that it is a place of torement and pain.

Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom — to which they never really belonged. They usurped their place and name and outward privileges; but “the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners [abide] in the congregation of the righteous” (Psa_1:5).
all things that offend — all those who have proved a stumbling-block to others
and them which do iniquity — The former class, as the worst, are mentioned first.
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire — rather, “the furnace of fire”:
there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth — What terrific strength of language - the “casting” or “flinging” expressive of indignation, abhorrence, contempt (compare Psa_9:17; Dan_12:2): “the furnace of fire” denoting the fierceness of the torment: the “wailing” signifying the anguish this causes; while the “gnashing of teeth” is a graphic way of expressing the despair in which its remedilessness issues (see Mat_8:12)!
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
for ever and ever — Greek, “unto ages of ages.”
no rest day nor night — Contrast the very different sense in which the same is said of the four living creatures in heaven, “They rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy”; yet they do “rest” in another sense; they rest from sin and sorrow, weariness and weakness, trial and temptation (Rev_14:13); the lost have no rest from sin and Satan, terror, torment, and remorse.
God is clearly pointing out the pain of hell so we can choose to stay out of it. Yet Hell is more than just a place of pain, it is also a place of darkness.
Mat 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
And cast ye — cast ye out.
the unprofitable servant — the useless servant, that does his Master no service.
into outer darkness — the darkness which is outside. On this expression see on Mat_22:13.
there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth — See on Mat_13:42.
2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
if — The apodosis or consequent member of the sentence is not expressed, but is virtually contained in 2Pe_2:9. If God in past time has punished the ungodly and saved His people, He will be sure to do so also in our days (compare end of 2Pe_2:3).
angels — the highest of intelligent creatures (compare with this verse, Jud_1:6), yet not spared when they sinned.
hell — Greek, “Tartarus”: nowhere else in New Testament or the Septuagint: equivalent to the usual Greek, “Gehenna.” Not inconsistent with 1Pe_5:8; for though their final doom is hell, yet for a time they are permitted to roam beyond it in “the darkness of this world.” Slaves of Tartarus (called “the abyss,” or “deep,” Luk_8:31; “the bottomless pit,” Rev_9:11) may also come upon earth. Step by step they are given to Tartarus, until at last they shall be wholly bound to it.
delivered — as the judge delivers the condemned prisoner to the officers (Rev_20:2).
into chains — (Jud_1:6). The oldest manuscripts read, “dens,” as Alford translates: the Greek, however, may, in Hellenistic Greek, mean “chains,” as Jude expresses it. They are “reserved” unto hell’s “mist of darkness” as their final “judgment” or doom, and meanwhile their exclusion from the light of heaven is begun. So the ungodly were considered as virtually “in prison,” though at large on the earth, from the moment that God’s sentence went forth, though not executed till one hundred twenty years after.
Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat_22:1-14. Parable of the marriage of the king’s son.
This is a different parable from that of the Great Supper, in Luk_14:15, etc., and is recorded by Matthew alone.
Remember--God is Light and in Him is no darkness at all..
1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
To be separated from God means being in the "OUTER DARKNESS" forever!! Frightening, painful, desolate darkness..That is hell.
I know that there are many who are not very happy with even thinking about hell..but we need to--and, it is one very negative subject that is found in both covenants.
To be continued
Richard79408

 

[JLB]

In Math.5:17-18, Jesus said that HE would fulfill the law. Ever wonder how He would do that?

As for your request, it is found in Col.2:14, where Paul explains that Jesus wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against them, and contrary to them, having taken IT out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. So what could this be? What is mentioned in scripture concerning any handwritten requirement? The commandments given to Moses on Mount Sinai, which were written in God's own handwriting. The law. The people were required to obey it. The law requires righteousness. This is why it is called the righteous requirement of the law. However, we know that in God's standard, there is none righteous.

Therefore, Paul told the Galatians that if there was a law given that could have given life, then truly righteousness would have been by the law (Gal.3:21).
But rather than life, the law brought death...2Cor.3:10..."the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones" Paul called the law which was written on stones in God's handwriting, the ministry of death. This is none other than the handwriting of requirements "that were against us" (Col.2:14). Of course if they brought death, they certainly were against us. Therefore, Jesus nailed this to the cross. It is figurative language. It simply means that to qualify for the gift of life, we are not required to keep the law. The sacrifice of Jesus took away the enforcement of the law that was against us: Death. The law points out our sin, condemning us (2Cor.3:9). The cross forgives our sin. The law demands a penalty. This penalty was fulfilled by Jesus at calvary. The law was fulfilled by Jesus. To this day, in everyone who comes to Him in humility and faith, the penalty of the law is fulfilled. We died with Him. The law can no longer kill us. My old man is dead (in Christ). You can't kill a dead man. Thus, the handwriting of requirements (the law of Moses), was nailed to the cross.

But rather than life, the law brought death...2Cor.3:10..."the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones" Paul called the law which was written on stones in God's handwriting, the ministry of death. This is none other than the handwriting of requirements "that were against us" (Col.2:14). Of course if they brought death, they certainly were against us.


What I have bolded above may seem true by what Paul wrote, however Paul had a different perspective of the law than we do. Paul was trying to "undo" what those who would came behind him after he had moved on, in that these men would try and confuse these Gentile believers by implying they had to keep the law of Moses to be saved.

Paul was using a "legal argument" which the Greek mindset understood, to help them understand.

In short - The 10 Commandments were not and are not a "ministry of death". Trying to "keep" the 10 commandments as a way of salvation, apart from relationship with God is a "yoke of bondage" and an "administration of death"


There is a difference.

Thanks, JLB

 

[Sabitarian]

I ask a question in my last post and no one is brave enough to even try to answer it, WHAT IS THE SIGN OF GOD? Be specific as to the location of it and what it testifies to. The answer will give you a new prespective on scripture. Remember it must have His Name in it, it must tell where his authority comes from and it gives us a command to follow. before we go any further this question has to be answered.
Christians on the whole try to make scripture fit their idea of what it should mean. All scripture must agree! Any changes in scripture have always had a period that God tells us there is going to be a change, such as when circumcision was to change it was foretold many years before as was the allowance of gentiles into the family of God. None of your scriptures have the foretelling of them from a distant time, thus they do not mean what you think they do, as all scripture must align from the beginning until the end. If God does not give us a warning that there is going to be a change, then none takes place. He does nothing in secret and that is why He tells us ahead of time what He is going to do.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

 

[richard79408]

Sabitarian, greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,
Actually in this section--the question is irrevelant--we are talking about covenants.
If it is a burning issue with you then why not post a new topic on it.

Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Act 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Act 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Act 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
Act 2:26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 2:28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?


Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
since others have shown the end of the Mosaic law here is your answer--the sign is Acts 2:1-4
the explanation is Peters sermon and the response was verse 38-41..

Honestly, I do not think anyone was afraid of your question OK?

Richard 79408

 

[Sabitarian]

richard,
The question is relevent, however you as a follower of Papal doctrine you do not see it, for you are blinded by your doctrine. In none of your scriptures do you find where God has told you that He will allow for you to not follow His Word and receive salvation. That is the main issue here as why do you go to Church in the first place. If you do not follow the laws of God Given from the beginning and ending at the end, why would any expect to receive salvation? Do you reward your children for bad behavior?
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

 

[Saint]

How does Paul state it...the Word of God is the sword of the Spirit!

And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, (Eph 6:17)

Without the word there is no understanding!

In Yeshua Messiah,

Bob

 

[williemac]

richard,
The question is relevent, however you as a follower of Papal doctrine you do not see it, for you are blinded by your doctrine. In none of your scriptures do you find where God has told you that He will allow for you to not follow His Word and receive salvation. That is the main issue here as why do you go to Church in the first place. If you do not follow the laws of God Given from the beginning and ending at the end, why would any expect to receive salvation? Do you reward your children for bad behavior?
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

I have to jump in here. I can scarcely believe my eyes. This truly demonstrates a failure to grasp the concept. The comparison to the way we reward our children cannot apply. The very purpose of salvation is to bring people into the family of God. Salvation is not about God rewarding His children. It is about adopting those to become His children.

For example, hear the word of God in John 1:12..." For as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God".

I will further challange this reply by stating the obvious; If one could deserve salvation by keeping the law, then that person has become his own savior. He then has something of which to boast. " I got what I earned" ..is the heart's boast in keeping the law. How does the handle..."humble servant" come out of this mindset?

In no uncertain terms will I boldly and zealously insist....Salvation cannot come through the law. In fact, it will be in danger of being denied the person who is attempting to be justified by law. There is none righteous. Keeping the law cannot produce life or righteousness. Both of these are offered freely by God. It is an insult to the Spirit of grace to refuse the offer and opt for the avenue of earning these through works.

No doubt all the passages that prove these things have been already shared on this thread. So just whom is it that is ignoring the scripture? " Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him as righteousness" The promises were made. They are yes and amen. God is good. Life is a free gift. Believe it or not. Accept the gift or not.
In His love and grace, Howie