Madad21 said:Hi Hayden the topic of the thread is do you believe in hell, It is not "do you believe bad people can be forgiven"
Don't you think the two are greatly related? I wouldn't know how to discuss this without touching on the latter. Regardless, it was a rebuttal to your argument.
That's how you read it. Most of my post was questions, if you took them as condescending, or as implying something they did not say, then that is on you. I told you how I see it, don't take it to be a display of my righteousness, because it was not.if you wish to use my comments out of context to display some sort of condescending and incredibly annoying righteous prowess, then whatever blows your hair back.
If you want to know something about me, then just ask. I have held nothing from you, and you have not asked me anything about myself. Thought, you are going to have to be more specific than "what do you believe".The whole point behind the introduction thread is so that you can introduce yourself to us and tell us your beliefs, by not doing so you are acting dishonestly,
James 4:17 "So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin."
If you have no deception to hide then please by all means tell us your beliefs and your purpose for being here. So we can know who you are and enjoy your company more fully.
It is entirely up to me what I say about myself on this forum. If you take that to mean that I am trying to deceive you, then there's not much I can do about that. I don't think that you, or anyone else here, are trying to deceive me, and I know nothing about you.
You don't get to know someone by having them post their life summary, or the church they attend, or the beliefs they hold. You get to know someone by talking to them.But sadly until I do, I will have nothing more to do with you.
I intended my post to be a conflict to you, because I wanted to challenge your thinking, don't take offense by it, it wan't intended that way.
So why are you telling us what the rectification is, if only God can dispense it? Should you not leave that up to God to decide?This Vale Of Tears said:In fact there's no stronger argument for the existence of hell than the evil in this world that demands rectification. I've made this argument many times.
People instinctively know there's a hell, even Jews who say they don't believe in it, but refer to it often and the reason is there is a balance of justice that man cannot dispense.
Do you overrule God's declared wages of sin: death?Let's say we capture a serial pedophile and killer. He confesses to stalking, kidnapping, sexually abusing, and then murdering scores of small children and burying them out in the woods. Asked more as a rhetorical question, is it possible for our justice system to adequately punish this man for his crimes? Even if we execute him, even if we make that execution drawn out and cruel, he has only one life to offer in recompence for the many lives he destroyed.
Tell me, where is the threshold to deserving more than death? Tell me the exact moment when a man deserves more than death, according to your judgment. And, furthermore, where is it written?
I agree. The same is true for the "smallest" of sins. For the power of life and death is with God.IT ISN'T POSSIBLE FOR MAN TO METE OUT THE AMOUNT OF JUSTICE NEEDED TO RECTIFY THE EVIL MAN IS CAPABLE OF!
Do you truly believe that that man was repentant, or was he afraid of dying? I think the latter. But what about when he is raised, and sees the glory of God, will he repent then? And if he does, does God not have the right to forgive him, even then?By the way, I love this clip from the movie "Changeling". For once, Hollywood got it exactly right, and being produced by Clint Eastwood, I'm not surprised. This man did exactly what I just described, murdering countless boys he kidnapped and being caught, tried, and convicted. Even though he "made things right" with a minister, he comes to realize the awful truth that God has not forgiven him, will not forgive him, even if he sought it diligently with tears, for what he did cannot be forgiven. See the terror that overtakes him when he stares right into the abyss of eternal damnation into which he's about to be shoved. This is a man who knows there is a hell and knows for a fact he's going there and no prayer can save him from it: THIS IS WELL WORTH WATCHING!