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Do you believe the lie?
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On second thought, maybe you can't read, or your comprehension is poor?
Here is what was said PS
He became the Son of God with Power BY the resurrection from the dead.
Its amazing how the simple little things get twisted even by the well intentioned.
PS95
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Wow- there is truly something wrong with you. I asked a simple question- It's right here for all to see.
--and your reply was post 385- this--
Do you believe the lie?
We never know who we are really talking to. Such a waste of time having to figure that out first, in order to attempt how to even process their ridiculous posts. Yes, it's true we don't know the other views held by the one we are engaging. However, we can simply address what is in front of us...
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Do you think I was reading here due to YOU? You are the only one I wish would leave the thread! This is too funny.
You suffer from delusions of grandeur.
Do not post to me again please.
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You're in a bit of a difficult spot there, PS. Trying to justify those subtle misrepresentations doesn’t really help your credibility. If you’re not going to read my posts carefully, I kindly ask that you not misrepresent what I’ve said.Wow- there is truly something wrong with you. I asked a simple question- It's right here for all to see.
--and your reply was post 385- this--
Do you believe the lie?
We never know who we are really talking to. Such a waste of time having to figure that out first, in order to attempt how to even process their ridiculous posts. Yes, it's true we don't know the other views held by the one we are engaging. However, we can simply address what is in front of us...
Do you think I was reading here due to YOU? You are the only one I wish would leave the thread! This is too funny.
You suffer from delusions of grandeur.
Do not post to me again please.
Getting back to the OP
This very short summary of Who Holds Immortality still applies:
As David wrote, “He (Jesus) asked life of You (God), and You (God) gave it to him, length of days forever and ever” (Psalm 21:4).
Jesus affirmed, “The Father has granted the Son to have life in Himself” (John 5:26).
Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life” (John 6:35) and, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father (for Life) except through me” (John 14:6).
Read it carefully and you will see why and how Jesus is the first fruits of them that sleep. You will also see how high God exalted His Son in raising him from the dead and blessing him with Life Eternal. The first of his brothers!
For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he (Jesus) is not ashamed to call them brothers, saying, “I will tell of your name (God's Name) to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation I will sing your praise.” Hebrews 2:11-12
For those following this discussion, it's worth noting that Zao has consistently avoided addressing these specific passages and seems to deny a fundamental truth, one that David, Jesus, and Paul each affirmed with unmistakable clarity. There is no ambiguity in these verses; they all point to the same, consistent truth.
This very short summary of Who Holds Immortality still applies:
As David wrote, “He (Jesus) asked life of You (God), and You (God) gave it to him, length of days forever and ever” (Psalm 21:4).
Jesus affirmed, “The Father has granted the Son to have life in Himself” (John 5:26).
Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life” (John 6:35) and, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father (for Life) except through me” (John 14:6).
Read it carefully and you will see why and how Jesus is the first fruits of them that sleep. You will also see how high God exalted His Son in raising him from the dead and blessing him with Life Eternal. The first of his brothers!
For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source. That is why he (Jesus) is not ashamed to call them brothers, saying, “I will tell of your name (God's Name) to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation I will sing your praise.” Hebrews 2:11-12
For those following this discussion, it's worth noting that Zao has consistently avoided addressing these specific passages and seems to deny a fundamental truth, one that David, Jesus, and Paul each affirmed with unmistakable clarity. There is no ambiguity in these verses; they all point to the same, consistent truth.
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In whom?
"In Him (God) we live | are alive [zao], and move, and have our being; For we are also his offspring." (Acts 17:28).
EVERLASTING LIFE OWNED
-- "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God. The Word was with God in the beginning. All things were created by him, and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created.
In him was life [zōḗ], and the life was the light of mankind." -- John 1:1-4
-- "For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has given to the Son to have life within Himself" -- John 5:26
EVERLASTING LIFE GIVEN
-- "And this is the record, that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that has the Son has life; and he that has not the Son of God has not life." -- 1 John 5:11-12.
Immortality for created human beings is dependent on being GIVEN eternal life, i.e "eating of the tree of life". Giving us an illustration from nature as He so often did so that we understand, Jesus also refers to this as living water - meaning that just as we need to keep drinking water or we will die of thirst, we need to continually drink of the living water or we will die.
--- I am the vine, ye are the branches. Abide in me, and I in you, because if a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned, and as the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. --- (John 15:4-6, verses rearranged).
We need to be continually eating of the tree of life / drinking of the living water of life, and this is why the tree of life shows up again in the last two chapters of the Revelation.
The deception of Satan also shows up again in the last three chapters of the Bible - just as it shows up in the first three chapters of the Bible. The first deception began with the words, "You shall NOT surely die". (Genesis 3:4).
John 15
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 IF a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 IF ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
What do you believe the word "IF" means in verses 6 & 7?
Are you SURE - 100% SURE it does not mean that someone who has been abiding in the Vine can of their own choices no longer CONTINUE to abide?
"In Him (God) we live | are alive [zao], and move, and have our being; For we are also his offspring." (Acts 17:28).
EVERLASTING LIFE OWNED
-- "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God. The Word was with God in the beginning. All things were created by him, and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created.
In him was life [zōḗ], and the life was the light of mankind." -- John 1:1-4
-- "For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has given to the Son to have life within Himself" -- John 5:26
EVERLASTING LIFE GIVEN
-- "And this is the record, that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that has the Son has life; and he that has not the Son of God has not life." -- 1 John 5:11-12.
Immortality for created human beings is dependent on being GIVEN eternal life, i.e "eating of the tree of life". Giving us an illustration from nature as He so often did so that we understand, Jesus also refers to this as living water - meaning that just as we need to keep drinking water or we will die of thirst, we need to continually drink of the living water or we will die.
--- I am the vine, ye are the branches. Abide in me, and I in you, because if a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned, and as the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. --- (John 15:4-6, verses rearranged).
We need to be continually eating of the tree of life / drinking of the living water of life, and this is why the tree of life shows up again in the last two chapters of the Revelation.
The deception of Satan also shows up again in the last three chapters of the Bible - just as it shows up in the first three chapters of the Bible. The first deception began with the words, "You shall NOT surely die". (Genesis 3:4).
John 15
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 IF a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 IF ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
What do you believe the word "IF" means in verses 6 & 7?
Are you SURE - 100% SURE it does not mean that someone who has been abiding in the Vine can of their own choices no longer CONTINUE to abide?
Oh wow. LOL. I'm not mocking God, and have not mocked him even once. God knows that your accusation against me, saying I'm "mocking God", is false.
Are you saying that ALL those who believe NOSAS are mocking God, or just me? You're obviously prone to wishful thinking - but having wishful thinking with regard to your belief in OSAS doctrine is one thing and can be put down to fallible human minds, but having wishful thinking regarding what someone else will have to explain to God about, is not something God will not require you to answer for.
My advice to anyone is to think about all the things we each individually will need to answer for, rather than to point a finger at another with wishful thinking about what another may have to answer for, because the things people say when they're pointing the above type of finger at another, not realizing that what they're almost wishing upon another who Christ has bought with His blood, is the very thing they may endure when they finally realize that the doctrine they are believing and repeating and fighting on behalf of, is a false doctrine.
I pray that by the grace of God you will wake up long before the twilight of your life, sister-in-Christ.
Anyway I'm out of the conversation with you because I don't want to encourage you to continue building up things that you will have to answer for in that day by wishing it upon those who merely point out why the doctrine you follow is not God-breathed, but conjured up in the minds of created human beings.
Are you saying that ALL those who believe NOSAS are mocking God, or just me? You're obviously prone to wishful thinking - but having wishful thinking with regard to your belief in OSAS doctrine is one thing and can be put down to fallible human minds, but having wishful thinking regarding what someone else will have to explain to God about, is not something God will not require you to answer for.
My advice to anyone is to think about all the things we each individually will need to answer for, rather than to point a finger at another with wishful thinking about what another may have to answer for, because the things people say when they're pointing the above type of finger at another, not realizing that what they're almost wishing upon another who Christ has bought with His blood, is the very thing they may endure when they finally realize that the doctrine they are believing and repeating and fighting on behalf of, is a false doctrine.
I pray that by the grace of God you will wake up long before the twilight of your life, sister-in-Christ.
Anyway I'm out of the conversation with you because I don't want to encourage you to continue building up things that you will have to answer for in that day by wishing it upon those who merely point out why the doctrine you follow is not God-breathed, but conjured up in the minds of created human beings.
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Then he posts again. Better just not to feed the troll by just not responding to all his false accusations against you while he pushes his false doctrines.Wow- there is truly something wrong with you. I asked a simple question- It's right here for all to see.
--and your reply was post 385- this--
Do you believe the lie?
We never know who we are really talking to. Such a waste of time having to figure that out first, in order to attempt how to even process their ridiculous posts. Yes, it's true we don't know the other views held by the one we are engaging. However, we can simply address what is in front of us...
Do you think I was reading here due to YOU? You are the only one I wish would leave the thread! This is too funny.
You suffer from delusions of grandeur.
Do not post to me again please.
I don't know if it's allowed for JW's and those who do not believe in the Trinity and who argue against even the basic foundational tenets of Christianity to post in these boards? I thought they are not supposed to be posting where only Christians may post.
I'm going to report this post of mine here and ask that he be told to restrict himself to the unorthodox doctrine board because he's clearly only here to troll myself, yourself, @Spiritual Israelite (and whoever else feeds his trolling by responding to him) with insults and false accusations mixed with his false doctrines.
There are plenty of people in this forum who don’t share your beliefs...are you planning to report everyone you can’t convince of your doctrine?
If the moderator goes back through these posts they will see I have been polite and presented the Scripture clearly exposing their true intent. If anything it is you who has misrepresented the text.
I can’t imagine a forum that only favors those who impose their own bias on the text while pushing everyone else to the back of the bus, it's almost laughable.
The others like @Sister-n-Christ who not only do not share my beliefs but are vehemently opposed to my beliefs regarding this because they believe in OSAS, do not deny that Jesus is God, reject the Trinity and push totally unorthodox and non-Christian doctrines like yours, and come to troll by provoking people - which seems to be your motive - even above your motive of propagating your own, non-Christian false doctrine.
There is a board for pushing your doctrines.
As David wrote, “He (Jesus) asked life of You (God), and You (God) gave it to him, length of days forever and ever” (Psalm 21:4).
Why would your Jesus ask God for Life?...if as you say he already had it...
Answer the question Zao...this is not hard.
What is the implication of this verse (and others) and be honest! No more games....
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This is for the benefit of members who are new - debating against the trinity is No longer allowed on the forums unless you change your status to other faith, but this will also limit where you can post on the forum.
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Christianity Board Statement of Faith
This is for the benefit of members who are new - debating against the trinity is No longer allowed on the forums unless you change your status to other faith, but this will also limit where you can post on the forum.
There are too many posts to delete, so the thread will remain open if this new rule is respected. If the debate continues it will be locked xxxx
Spiritual Israelite
Well-Known Member
Agree completely. This guy just doesn't get it. We are not buying his lies. Period. But, he still thinks he can deceive us with his blatant lies. Jesus is God! No one can tell us otherwise! He is wasting his time trying to deceive us and tell us otherwise.
Edit: I made this post before seeing Rita's post, so I'm not trying to keep the debate going.
Sister-n-Christ
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You deny Jesus is God? You deny our Salvation is eternally secure. Jesus never taught the Trinity.
You're pushing false doctrine.
Christians here defend the truth. When you don't like that this isn't the board for you .
Jesus told His disciples to baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and spoke many times of the Holy Spirit and many times of the Father. So I do not know which Bible you read.
Everyone who interacts with me in these boards knows that I defend the Trinity and the fact that Jesus is God. Since you don't (because you don't believe that Jesus taught the Trinity, though He taught the Trinity without using the word "Trinity"), then that explains a lot, and clearly then, this isn't the board for you.
The Christians here defend the truth, and have done so along with me in this thread. Anyone who has read this thread will have noticed it.
You've turned yourself into an attack troll. The sisters who are in Christ do not do that.
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Sister-n-Christ
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Jesus said,when you have seen me you have seen the father.
What is the name of the father,son,holy Spirit?
Jesus is God. Gid said,besides him there is no savior. Hear I Israel our God our God is one.
There is not ever three separate ones.
You call me a troll? Sure. Any Christian who calls out false doctrine is going to be called names by perpetrators of false doctrine. They call Jesus names,they call eternal irrevocable Salvation names. So,go ahead and call this Christian any name you want . That's your pattern.
Why don't you come out with the fact that you do not believe in the Trinity BEFORE you start attacking the OP or any post in the thread? It makes it a lot easier to understand what exactly you're attacking and why, and @Spiritual Israelite @PS95 and anyone else you reads the thread or posts in it (including myself) have the right to know - since it is against the forum rules for arguments against the Trinity to be posted in these boards.
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