Does God need man?

[BlessedPeace]

Here's the problem with your premise. It contradicts scripture, not to mention nature.

God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent...

There's no problem. And there's no contradiction of scripture.

The problem with your point is,you must ignore all scripture that contradicts the errant falsity that insists Jesus was just a man serving God's will.

Jesus was called son of man because he was born of a woman.
He was not sired by a mortal man.
Therefore,he was not a literal son of man. Though he was referred to as such because to the eyes of other mortals he had a human family and siblings.

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God....
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son[d] from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 

[Matthias]

Scripture says that God doesn’t need anything, including man to worship him. Read the passage again.

God created man (and everything else) for a purpose.

Using our God-given reasoning ability -> God needs for man to exist in order for there to be man to worship him. God created what was needed for his ends.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Does God need man?

By virtue of the fact God made man... yes, He needs man.

Why did God create evil? Why does God allow evil? How does evil fit into God attaining his purposes?

God did not create evil.... evil is the perversion of righteousness which is something satan did

Ezekiel 28:15 (about satan)
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Isaiah 14:13 (about satan)
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

God took the responsibility for satan's rebellion by bringing forth His plan of salvation so that in the end a precedent will be established that no being shall ever be able to pervert righteousness again because if they do they will be cast in to hell immediately. In the ages to come this will be the standard and result of ANY being (man or angel) that embraces thoughts of rebellion

God setup His entire kingdom to function on the principle of seedtime and harvest obviously because He did not desire to create robots. He desires that all being choose to be with Him.

God is not the One bringing evil and temptation upon men...

James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

 

[Matthias]

God doesn’t need for man to exist in order for man to worship him?

God does need for man to exist in order for man to worship him.

God’s solution?

Create man.

 

[Matthias]

By virtue of the fact God made man... yes, He needs man.

For me, that’s the easy part of theodicy. For others, it’s just a false premise.

God did not create evil.... evil is the perversion of righteousness which is something satan did

Ezekiel 28:15 (about satan)
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Isaiah 14:13 (about satan)
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

God took the responsibility for satan's rebellion by bringing forth His plan of salvation so that in the end a precedent will be established that no being shall ever be able to pervert righteousness again because if they do they will be cast in to hell immediately. In the ages to come this will be the standard and result of ANY being (man or angel) that embraces thoughts of rebellion

God setup His entire kingdom to function on the principle of seedtime and harvest obviously because He did not desire to create robots. He desires that all being choose to be with Him.

God is not the One bringing evil and temptation upon men...

James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

God says he creates evil (Isaiah 45:7). And he certainly allows evil.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

God says he creates evil (Isaiah 45:7). And he certainly allows evil.

That's what the bad translation says... If God created evil, them He's a liar according to James 1:13

As stated earlier, evil was not "created" but instead was a perversion of righteousness.

Those that believe God created evil must also conceded and God and satan are either the same guy or satan works for God and God is directing satan to go out and kill still and destroy... if this was true, then this makes Jesus a liar!

John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Those that listen to the lies of the devil who lies about God... are being tricked by the devil into causing strife between themselves and the Lord... and that ends badly because it is departing from the faith and sliding in to unbelief.

Unbelief is choosing to NOT believe what God says.

 

[Matthias]

If we can’t get past the easy part of theodicy, how will we get past the hard part?

 

[Matthias]

That's what the bad translation says... If God created evil, them He's a liar according to James 1:13

As stated earlier, evil was not "created" but instead was a perversion of righteousness.

Those that believe God created evil must also conceded and God and satan are either the same guy or satan works for God and God is directing satan to go out and kill still and destroy... if this was true, then this makes Jesus a liar!

John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Those that listen to the lies of the devil who lies about God... are being tricked by the devil into causing strife between themselves and the Lord... and that ends badly because it is departing from the faith and sliding in to unbelief.

Unbelief is choosing to NOT believe what God says.

There is purpose in it, and it starts with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

he certainly allows evil.

No, mankind is the one allowing evil... in Genesis we see that God gave man authority so the blame is upon mankind for allowing evil, not God.

Those that accuse the Lord of being evil sure put a big smile on satan's face!

 

[Matthias]

Thinking about the proposition that God is either Satan or Satan works for God and God is directing Satan to go out to kill and destroy -> Job.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

There is purpose in it, and it starts with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Uh huh... and God told them to NOT eat of that tree

 

[Matthias]

No, mankind is the one allowing evil... in Genesis we see that God gave man authority so the blame is upon mankind for allowing evil, not God.

Those that accuse the Lord of being evil sure put a big smile on satan's face!
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God can stop evil from existing. He hasn’t. It continues because he allows it to continue.

 

[Matthias]

Uh huh... and God told them to NOT eat of that tree

Yes. Why was the tree there? What is it’s purpose? Why did he tell them not to eat of that tree? Why didn’t he prevent them from eating of that tree?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Thinking about the proposition that God is either Satan or Satan works for God amd God is directing Satan to go out to kill and destroy -> Job.

No, God is the One Who put the hedge of protection around Job that satan was complaining about.

It was Job being in fear that his kids would curse God and die... that cause that hedge to be broken.
(Job tells us that what he feared came upon him... which is the ket to understanding why this all happened)

God's Word tells us in Revelation 21:8 that the fearful will have their part in the lake of fire... so being in fear is sinful.

God is NOT the One to allowed Job to get in to all that trouble... Job was.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

God can stop evil from existing. He hasn’t. It continues because he allows it to continue.

Those that accuse the Lord of being evil sure put a big smile on satan's face!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Yes. Why was the tree there? Why did he tell them not to eat of that tree? Why didn’t he prevent them from eating of that tree?

Because man was created in God's Own Image... which is how they got free will.

MAN is the problem, not God.

Those that accuse the Lord of being evil sure put a big evil smile on satan's face!

 

[Matthias]

No, God is the One Who put the hedge of protection around Job that satan was complaining about.

It was Job being in fear that his kids would curse God and die... that cause that hedge to be broken.
(Job tells us that what he feared came upon him... which is the ket to understanding why this all happened)

God's Word tells us in Revelation 21:8 that the fearful will have their part in the lake of fire... so being in fear is sinful.

God is NOT the One to allowed Job to get in to all that trouble... Job was.

God allows everyone to get into trouble.

 

[Matthias]

Because man was created in God's Own Image... which is how they got free will.

That’s right. With free will comes potential, both for good and for evil.

MAN is the problem, not God.

That also is right.

Those that accuse the Lord of being evil sure put a big evil smile on satan's face!
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No doubt.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

God allows everyone to get into trouble.

God instructs man on how to NOT get in to trouble... man rebels and cause his own trouble.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

That’s right. With free will comes potential, both for good and for evil.

God instructs man on how to NOT get in to trouble... man rebels and cause his own trouble.

No doubt.

Then quit pleasing satan by saying God is the problem!