Have I said that? I don't remember saying that, and it's not the sort of thing I say.
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Does John 1:1 say Jesus is God
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Actually it's been used that way over and over for how many weeks?
Please, don't bother to tell me I haven't seen what I've seen. There wouldn't be any point. This has been the crux of the argument for a long time.
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No Scripture says that.
On the other hand Scripture tells us over and over and over again that Jesus is not God but of God - servant, son, lamb, word of God.
If Jesus were God, there would be no verses that juxtapose God with Jesus but there are many, e.g., Acts 2:36 God made Jesus both Lord and Messiah. What is your take on such verses?
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Nothing about Jesus. I good example of God's agency though. How does God save? Through his agent.
I just referenced a bunch of them. Funny how trinitarians can read into text to support their doctrine but it escapes them that 1,000's of verses imply Jesus is not God GIVEN the mutual exclusivity principle of logic. Obviously, being the son of God necessarily means he is not God.
And you didn't answer my question; If Jesus were God, there would be no verses that juxtapose God with Jesus but there are many, e.g., Acts 2:36 God made Jesus both Lord and Messiah. What is your take on such verses?
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Agency exists. If a captain orders his men to rescue you, a drowning man. Who is your savior; the man who pulls you out of the water or the captain who sent him?
Tertullian was put forth in defense of the Trinity in the Unitarianism vs. Trinitarianism thread. You gave it your support. If you’ve since changed your mind and withdrawn your support for Tertullian as a defender of the Trinity, then you made a wise decision that I’m unaware of.
Taking Tertullian off that table would either cause me to locate a 4th century defender of the Trinity who spoke of agency or a later defender of the Trinity who does. You’ve conceded the simple point that trinitarian scholars use the word in their commentary on scripture. Now we’re just talking about how early in the history of trinitarianism we find them doing it.
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I don’t know if you’ve ever had instruction (formal or informal) in hermeneutics or not but you’ve left me with the impression that you haven’t. You read the Bible just as the most important trinitarian in my life did. He was an intelligent man, but not well educated. He died believing in unicorns.
YHWH came to save us. Immanuel, God with us. Exactly - exactly - as He said.
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You didn’t answer my question about the saviors Yahweh sent. Maybe that is your commentary on the question- silence.
How nice!
What's your point? I'm a fool? Is this what you are trying to say?
I've notice that you discuss things very often at a much better level than many do, however, really? Unicorns? You know, I did see a mermaid once! They ARE out there, you know! Tom Hanks met one!
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No, you actually don't know. But I'm not here to promote myself, nor discuss myself. And your impressions are exactly that, and - just maybe - are influenced by your intent. I suggest that people see what they are inclined to see, and then feel free to freely share those opinions with others. But it's not constructive, and not always very accurate.
Let's just agree to disagree, and if we want to continue the discussion, let's leave these little jabs out of it, OK?
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No.
I’ve been formally educated in theology (and civil engineering).
The trinitarian I alluded to was KJVO. If you’re looking for unicorns we’ll find them in KJV. Are you telling me that you weren’t aware of that?
I was speaking about the Bible, not a movie.
Are you telling me you weren't painting me in a certain light?
Let's be real, can we?
Yes, I know about the single-horns in the Bible. What's your point? Do you think they weren't real? Is there a credibility issue?
"He died believing in unicorns"
Right-o.
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That’s why I said I didn’t know and told you what impression you’re giving.
The only details about you which I’m aware of are those which you’ve publicly made me and your readers aware of.
My intent is to engage you in conversation.
Okay.
I’m interested in people, not jabs.
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