As I understand it, Elohim is a plural word referring to all the gods in the spiritual realm, or more specifically to the God above all gods.
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Does the Bible contradict itself? - Reader Poll (and discussion)
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Brakelite
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What are you saying here? That Jesus changed His mind? That at one time He wasn't going to abolish it, but did so anyway by fulfilling it? Of so, please explain how fulfilling is a definition of abolishing. While you are at it, maybe explain why Jesus would abolish the sabbath just a short time after saying He was the Lord of the Sabbath, confirming that the Sabbath is the day of the Lord?
St. SteVen said:
There's a COMMON misquote. "... Jesus... did not come to abolish the law."
It wasn't "the law" that Jesus did not come to abolish. It was "the Law or the Prophets".
So, the books of the Law or the Prophets, not the law itself.
The fulfilling therefore was not of the law itself, but of the prophecies about Jesus
in the books of the Law and the books of the Prophets. (and the Psalms)
Matthew 5:17 NIV
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets;
I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
COMPARE
Luke 24:44 NIV
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled
that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”
Not only abolish the Sabbath, but the whole law. (but not the books of the Law, or the Prophets, or Psalms)
Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
Hebrews 8:7, 13 NIV
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant,
no place would have been sought for another. ...
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete;
and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
2 Corinthians 3:6-8 NIV
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—
not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone,
came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses
because of its glory, transitory though it was,
8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?
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There's a COMMON misquote. "... Jesus... did not come to abolish the law."
The misquote above stops short of the full statement, which completely changes the meaning.
It wasn't "the law" that Jesus did not come to abolish. It was "the Law or the Prophets".
So, the books of the Law or the Prophets, not the law itself.
The fulfilling therefore was not of the law itself, but of the prophecies about Jesus
in the books of the Law and the books of the Prophets. (and the Psalms)
Matthew 5:17 NIV
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets;
I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
COMPARE
Luke 24:44 NIV
He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled
that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”
Jesus made himself an authority over the Pharisees by declaring he was Lord of the Sabbath.
Not only abolish the Sabbath, but the whole law. (but not the books of the Law, or the Prophets, or Psalms)
Galatians 3:23-25 NIV
Before the coming of this faith,[a] we were held in custody under the law,
locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.
24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
Hebrews 8:7, 13 NIV
7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant,
no place would have been sought for another. ...
13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete;
and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
2 Corinthians 3:6-8 NIV
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—
not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone,
came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses
because of its glory, transitory though it was,
8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?
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Little know fact about Apollos.
Some quick Wiki research indicates that he knew only of the Baptism of John. (initially) Acts 18:24-26 NIV Meanwhile a Jew named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, came to Ephesus. He was a learned man, with a thorough knowledge of the Scriptures. 25 He had been instructed in the way of the Lord...
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Lambano
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Reminded me of this.
Choice of doctrine is driven by religious preconception - Spirituality is an individualized journey
Seems that biblical understanding has more to do with religious upbringing and environment than the content of the Bible. I imagine that a young Catholic learns that Mary is the Mother of God based on the statement of the angel, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.” -...
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Does the Bible contradict itself?
Discussion questions:- Is it even possible that the Bible could contradict itself?
- Why would that be impossible?
- If it did contradict itself, would that be bad for the Bible?
- Does the Bible promise not to contradict itself?
- Would it be harmful to your faith if the Bible was found to be contradictory?
- Have you found some contradictions to discuss?
Atheists are not shy about discussing this subject. We could react to their claims.
contradictions in the bible list
1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
- God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
- Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)
- Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
- One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
- Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
- Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)
- Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
- Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
- Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
- Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)
- Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
- Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)
- Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
- Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)
- Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
- Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)
- After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
- Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)
- Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
- Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)
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Wick Stick
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The Amorites appear to have divided their gods into 3 categories - sky gods, earth gods, and water gods. Elohim are their sky gods - all the children of the chief sky god El.
Also, when a man became king of a Canaanite/Amorite city-state, it was customary to be adopted as a son of El. That makes "son of God" a kingly title.
The Israelites appear to have had beef with the Amorites. After the Exodus, they bee-lined it straight for the Amorites lands (but ran away). After their 40-year trek in the wilderness, they ALSO bee-lined it straight to Amorite lands (and took them). The first people the Israelites attacked after crossing Jordan... also Amorites.
Wick Stick
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I've come to divide the Bible into prophets and not-prophets. The not-prophets seem to contain a lot of contradictions.
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