Does the Bible identify "Babylon"?

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Babylon the Great, however, stands for a world system more universal than that of the old Roman Empire
Indeed. OT prophetic symbolism depicted local literal powers. NT apocalyptic project depicts global spiritual powers, of which the union between the Catholic church and state powers now developing globally with the support of the WEF.
 

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Israel are the followers of God, Babylon are the followers of worldly leaders


Babylon symbolizes those who worship the AC, the false god.

Rev_16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

To identify Babylon all we have to do is find out who the wine of wrath is given to.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Babylon literally means confusion. Being a whore means Babylon serves a false god. Scripture says Babylon will be given the cup of the wine of the wrath of God, and scripture also says the one's who worship the beast will be given the wine of the wrath of God so we know Babylon is comprised of all the confused and marked people of the Antichrist. Paul wrote of someone who would claim to be God, elevating himself above God and all that is worshiped showing that he was God. This is a false God, and believing and serving and worshiping him is a false religion, religious CONFUSION (Babylon/confusion).

The whore Babylon is those deceived by false religion of this false God, who take the mark of the beast.

Babylon is symbolic city and a city is primarily made up of people. Babylon is also a woman, a symbolic woman and a woman in that sense is, again, symbolic of people.
 

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Babylon symbolizes those who worship the AC, the false god.

Rev_16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

To identify Babylon all we have to do is find out who the wine of wrath is given to.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Babylon literally means confusion. Being a whore means Babylon serves a false god. Scripture says Babylon will be given the cup of the wine of the wrath of God, and scripture also says the one's who worship the beast will be given the wine of the wrath of God so we know Babylon is comprised of all the confused and marked people of the Antichrist. Paul wrote of someone who would claim to be God, elevating himself above God and all that is worshiped showing that he was God. This is a false God, and believing and serving and worshiping him is a false religion, religious CONFUSION (Babylon/confusion).

The whore Babylon is those deceived by false religion of this false God, who take the mark of the beast.

Babylon is symbolic city and a city is primarily made up of people. Babylon is also a woman, a symbolic woman and a woman in that sense is, again, symbolic of people.
The false god and false religion is the world. Worldliness. Serving Trump or Biden or some other irrelevant political icon. Serving yourself. Serving money. Etc.

1 John 5:19
We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

John 14:30
I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me,
 

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Indeed. OT prophetic symbolism depicted local literal powers. NT apocalyptic project depicts global spiritual powers, of which the union between the Catholic church and state powers now developing globally with the support of the WEF.
In many ways, it is uniting with the state powers to once again tell the whole world what it must do as it did back in the Dark Ages of mediaeval rule..







And just goes on and on as the whole world follows....
 

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You are listening to 'MEN's doctrines, and NOT God in His Word.

I implore you to quit believing what those men say that you listen to, and instead get into God's Word for yourself asking Him for understanding instead.

The Babylon Harlot for the end is JERUSALEM in a false IDOL worship state. That is what Jesus showed for the time of "great tribulation" in Matthew 24:15-26, and what Apostle Paul showed for that same time of the end per 2 Thessalonians 2, and also what Apostle John was shown in Revelation, especially Revelation 11 and 13 and 17.
Look at Gods Word..
Revelation 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

And we see it happen just as prophecy said...
And it recovered just as prophecy said...

Lateran Treaty, also called Lateran Pact of 1929, treaty (effective June 7, 1929, to June 3, 1985) between Italy and the Vatican. It was signed by Benito Mussolini for the Italian government and by cardinal secretary of state Pietro Gasparri for the papacy and confirmed by the Italian constitution of 1948.

Upon ratification of the Lateran Treaty, the papacy recognized the state of Italy, with Rome as its capital. Italy in return recognized papal sovereignty over the Vatican City, .... Lateran Treaty | Italy [1929]
 
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Look at Gods Word..
Revelation 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

And we see it happen just as prophecy said...
And it recovered just as prophecy said...

Lateran Treaty, also called Lateran Pact of 1929, treaty (effective June 7, 1929, to June 3, 1985) between Italy and the Vatican. It was signed by Benito Mussolini for the Italian government and by cardinal secretary of state Pietro Gasparri for the papacy and confirmed by the Italian constitution of 1948.

Upon ratification of the Lateran Treaty, the papacy recognized the state of Italy, with Rome as its capital. Italy in return recognized papal sovereignty over the Vatican City, .... Lateran Treaty | Italy [1929]

Nope! That Scripture isn't about a pope.

Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold
a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

4
And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
KJV


Per Revelation 12:9 we are told the "dragon" is simply another title for Satan himself.

When did Satan, that "red dragon" above, draw a third of the stars (angels) to earth? That was at Satan's original rebellion of old, in the old world prior to Adam and Eve.

That beast shown there LINKED WITH THAT EARLIER TIME, had ten horns, SEVEN HEADS, but only seven crowns (the beast for the end at Rev.13:1 is to have ten crowns).

So do you not understand that the "seven heads" existed long... before a pope and the Catholic Church?

Because of that you cannot just arbitrarily assign the pope as the final Antichrist at the end of this world. God's Word is written so as to TEACH, not to SUCCUMB to men's thoughts and whims. So if one is determined to see the pope as the Antichrist, they will FORCE Scripture to point that direction, instead of allowing God's Word to interpret itself and show us the PROPER direction it is pointing to. And involving the coming Antichrist, God's Word is pointing directly to JERUSALEM for the end, not Rome.
 

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Yes, it is that but you can identify it by its idols and pagan rites and rituals, as well as the 'man' who declares himself in the place of God. Its not hard to see....
The various prophecies of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel and the Apocalypse concerning Babylon are all in full accord, and refer to the same great city. And since these prophecies had but a very limited fulfilment upon the ancient, literal city, and those of the Apocalypse were written centuries after the literal Babylon was laid in ruins, it is clear that the special reference of all the prophets is to something of which the ancient literal Babylon was an illustration. It is clear also that, in so far as the prophecies of Isaiah and Jeremiah concerning its downfall were accomplished upon the literal city, it became in its downfall, as well as in its character, an illustration of the great city to which the Revelator points in the symbolic language of the Apocalypse (Chapters 17 and 18), and to which chiefly the other prophets refer.

The Revelator intimated that it would not be difficult to discover this great mystical city, because her name is in her forehead; that is, she is prominently marked, so that we cannot fail to see her unless we shut our eyes and refuse to look--"And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and abominations of the earth." (`Rev. 17:5`) But before looking for this Mystical Babylon, let us first observe the typical Babylon, and then, with its prominent features in mind, look for the antitype.

The name Babylon was applied, not only to the capital city of the Babylonian empire, but also to the empire itself. Babylon, the capital, was the most magnificent, and probably the largest, city of the ancient world. It was built in the form of a square on both sides of the Euphrates river; and, for protection against invaders, it was surrounded by a deep moat filled with water and enclosed within a vast system of double walls, from thirty-two to eighty-five feet thick, and from seventy-five to three hundred feet high. On the summit were low towers, said to have been two hundred and fifty in number, placed along the outer and inner edges of the wall, tower facing tower; and in these walls were a hundred brazen gates, twenty-five on each side, corresponding to the number of streets which intersected each other at right angles. The city was adorned with splendid palaces and temples and the spoils of conquest.

Nebuchadnezzar was the great monarch of the Babylonian empire, whose long reign covered nearly half the period of its existence, and to him its grandeur and military glory were chiefly due. The city was noted for its wealth and magnificence, which brought a corresponding moral degradation, the sure precursor of its decline and fall. It was wholly given to idolatry, and was full of iniquity. The people were worshipers of Baal, to whom they offered human sacrifices. The deep degradation of their idolatry may be understood from God's reproof of the Israelites when they became corrupted by contact with them. See `Jer. 7:9; 19:5`.

The name originated with the frustrating of the plan for the great tower, called Babel (confusion), because there God confounded human speech; but the native etymology made the name Babil, which, instead of being reproachful, and a reminder of the Lord's displeasure, signified to them--"the gate of God."

The city of Babylon attained a position of prominence and affluence as a capital of the great Babylonian empire, and was called "the golden city," "the glory of kingdoms, and the beauty of Chaldees' excellency." `Isa. 13:19; 14:4`

Nebuchadnezzar was succeeded in the dominion by his grandson Belshazzar, under whose reign came the collapse which pride, fullness of bread and abundance of idleness always insure and hasten. While the people, all unconscious of impending danger, following the example of their king, were abandoning themselves to demoralizing excesses, the Persian army, under Cyrus, stealthily crept in through the channel of the Euphrates (from which they had turned aside the water), massacred the revelers, and captured the city. Thus was fulfilled the prophecy of that strange handwriting on the wall--"Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin"--which Daniel had interpreted only a few hours before to mean-- "God hath numbered thy kingdom and finished it. Thou art weighed in the balance and art found wanting. Thy kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians." And so complete was the destruction of that great city that even its site was forgotten and was for a long time uncertain.

Such was the typical city; and, like a great millstone cast into the sea, it was sunken centuries ago, never again to rise; even the memory of it has become a reproach and a byword. Now let us look for its antitype, first observing that the Scriptures clearly point it out, and then noting the aptness of the symbolism.

In symbolic prophecy a "city" signifies a religious government backed by power and influence. Thus, for instance, the "holy city, the new Jerusalem," is the symbol used to represent the established Kingdom of God, the overcomers of the Gospel Church exalted and reigning in glory. The Church is also, and in the same connection, represented as a woman, "the bride, the Lamb's wife," in power and glory, and backed by the power and authority of Christ, her husband. "And there came unto me one of the seven angels... saying, Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. And he...showed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem." `Rev. 21:9,10`

This same method of interpretation applies to mystical Babylon, the great ecclesiastical kingdom, "that great city" (`Rev. 17:1-6`), which is described as a harlot, a fallen woman (an apostate church--for the true Church is a virgin), exalted to power and dominion, and backed, to a considerable degree, by the kings of the earth, the civil powers, which are all more or less intoxicated with her spirit and doctrine. The apostate church lost her virgin purity. Instead of waiting, as an espoused and chaste virgin, for exaltation with the heavenly Bridegroom, she associated herself with the kings of the earth and prostituted her virgin purity --both of doctrine and character--to suit the world's ideas; and in return she received, and now to some extent exercises, a present dominion, in large measure by their support, direct and indirect. This unfaithfulness to the Lord, whose name she claims, and to her high privilege to be the "chaste virgin" espoused to Christ, is the occasion of the symbolic appellation, "harlot," while her influence as a sacerdotal empire, full of inconsistency and confusion, is symbolically represented under the name Babylon, which, in its widest sense, as symbolized by the Babylonian empire, we promptly recognize to be Christendom; while in its more restricted sense, as symbolized by the ancient city Babylon, we recognize to be the nominal Christian Church.

The fact that Christendom does not accept the Bible term "Babylon," and its significance, confusion, as applicable to her, is no proof that it is not so. Neither did ancient Babylon claim the Bible significance--confusion. Ancient Babylon presumed to be the very "gate of God"; but God labeled it Confusion (`Gen. 11:9`); and so it is with her antitype today. She calls herself Christendom, the gateway to God and everlasting life, while God calls her Babylon-- confusion.
 

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No, it is not the papacy, and I'm a Protestant.

The prayer bead thing, yal know that came from Buddhism right? And Buddhism is much older than the Catholic Church, so why aren't you pointing to all their idols? Yal make me think of someone who would walk right by all the Buddhist idolatry and such just to put it all on a pope. What silliness!
 

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God's Word with the Babylon Harlot of Revelation isn't pointing to Buddhism either. It is pointing to JERUSALEM IN AN IDOL WORSHIP condition for the end of this world, one that it has been in several times before.

Rev 11:7-8
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,
where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

Where was Lord Jesus crucified? JERUSALEM.
 

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Indeed. OT prophetic symbolism depicted local literal powers. NT apocalyptic project depicts global spiritual powers, of which the union between the Catholic church and state powers now developing globally with the support of the WEF.
This is just not true, nowhere is the RCC mentioned or pointed towards, that is just bad Eschatology.
 

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This is just not true, nowhere is the RCC mentioned or pointed towards, that is just bad Eschatology.
That's correct.

Notice what the 2nd century Church father Hippolytus said about the coming false one for the end of the world...

"Now, as our Lord Jesus Christ, who is also God, was prophesied of under the figure of a lion, on account of His royalty and glory, in the same way have the Scriptures also aforetime spoken of Antichrist as a lion, on account of his tyranny and violence. For the deceiver seeks to liken himself in all things to the Son of God. Christ is a lion, so Antichrist is also a lion; Christ is a king, so Antichrist is also a king. The Saviour was manifested as a lamb; so he too, in like manner, will appear as a lamb, though within he is a wolf. The Saviour came into the World in the circumcision, and he will come in the same manner. The Lord sent apostles among all the nations, and he in like manner will send false apostles. The Saviour gathered together the sheep that were scattered abroad, and he in like manner will bring together a people that is scattered abroad. The Lord gave a seal to those who believed on Him, and he will give one like manner. The Saviour appeared in the form of man, and he too will come in the form of a man. The Saviour raised up and showed His holy flesh like a temple, and he will raise a temple of stone in Jerusalem."

The real Antichrist for the end Hippolytus said will be of the tribe of JUDAH like Lord Jesus was. Afterall, Jesus did prophesy in Matthew 24 that the coming false one that will work great signs and wonders will try to trick the world into believing he is The Christ.
 

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Rev. 16:19 explains who the Harlot is, it goes in one ear and out the other however with this crowd.

Try reading the passage. Isn't that a novel idea?

Rev. 16:19 And the great city was divided(Jerusalem/Earthquake/Jesus LANDS) into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell(The WHOLE WORLD see Vial #6): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

So, when Jesus shows up at the 7th Vial and DEFEATS those at Armageddon God sees THEM as Babylon the Great, the scriptures say so !! He gave Babylon the Great the CUP of the fierceness of His WRATH !! So, who were THEY? Well, lets look, again a novel approach !!

Rev. 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.(The West or the Americas are DESTROYED by an Asteroid, thus everything or king is East of Jerusalem......NO KIDDING)

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

So, who is Babylon the Great? The DECIEVED (Babel = Deception) Kings of the WHOLE WORLD that come to Armageddon to try and defeat their own loving Creator, like fools.


THE WHOLE WORLD = Babylon the Great.

This is simply stuff made complex by men's vain IMAGINATIONS !!
 
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That's correct.

Notice what the 2nd century Church father Hippolytus said about the coming false one for the end of the world...

"Now, as our Lord Jesus Christ, who is also God, was prophesied of under the figure of a lion, on account of His royalty and glory, in the same way have the Scriptures also aforetime spoken of Antichrist as a lion, on account of his tyranny and violence. For the deceiver seeks to liken himself in all things to the Son of God. Christ is a lion, so Antichrist is also a lion; Christ is a king, so Antichrist is also a king. The Saviour was manifested as a lamb; so he too, in like manner, will appear as a lamb, though within he is a wolf. The Saviour came into the World in the circumcision, and he will come in the same manner. The Lord sent apostles among all the nations, and he in like manner will send false apostles. The Saviour gathered together the sheep that were scattered abroad, and he in like manner will bring together a people that is scattered abroad. The Lord gave a seal to those who believed on Him, and he will give one like manner. The Saviour appeared in the form of man, and he too will come in the form of a man. The Saviour raised up and showed His holy flesh like a temple, and he will raise a temple of stone in Jerusalem."

The real Antichrist for the end Hippolytus said will be of the tribe of JUDAH like Lord Jesus was. Afterall, Jesus did prophesy in Matthew 24 that the coming false one that will work great signs and wonders will try to trick the world into believing he is The Christ.
AND..........It is not Jerusalem either, but Jerusalem, Rome, the USA, Brazil, Greece, Russia, China etc. are all a part of the Harlot. Stating Jerusalem is a Harlot doesn't mean she is the WHOLE Harlot. See my point? Yes, 2/3 of Israel will be killed because they refuse to serve God (Zech. 13:8-9) BUT.........So will all the rest of the world. Babylon = Satan's Dark Kingdom, that is why only when Satan is bound up Babylon FALLS.
 
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Rev. 16:19 explains who the Harlot is, it goes in one ear and out the other however with this crowd.

Try reading the passage. Isn't that a novel idea?

Rev. 16:19 And the great city was divided(Jerusalem/Earthquake/Jesus LANDS) into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell(The WHOLE WORLD see Vial #6): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

So, when Jesus shows up at the 7th Via and DEFEATS those at Armageddon God sees THEM as Babylon the Great, the scriptures say so !! He gave Babylon the Great the CUP of the fierceness of His WRATH !! So, who were THEY? Well, lets look, again a novel approach !!

Rev. 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.(The West or the Americas are DESTROYED by an Asteroid, thus everything is East of Jerusalem......NO KIDDING)

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

So, who is Babylon the Great? The DECIEVED (Babel = Deception) Kings of the WHOLE WORLD that come to Armageddon to try and defeat their own loving Creator, lie fools.


THE WHOLE WORLD = Babylon the Great.

This is simply stuff made complex by men's vain IMAGINATIONS !!

Nay, you've gone to far, into speculation.

The Revelation 11:8 verse defines Jerusalem as the "great city", and thus the Babylon Harlot...

Rev 11:8
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,
where also our Lord was crucified.
KJV

See Ezekiel 16 where God referred to Jerusalem in a false worship state as a 'harlot'.

There's many Jews here on this forum, so they of course wouldn't want this pointing to Jerusalem. Too bad, because God Himself has determined these events and they cannot change them.
 

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AND..........It is n ot Jerusalem either, but Jerusalem, Rome, the USA, Brazil, Greece, Russia, China etc. are all a part of the Harlot. Stating Jerusalem is a Harlot doesn't mean she is the WHOLE Harlot. See my point? Yes, 2/3 of Israel will be killed because they refuse to serve God (Zech. 13:8-9) BUT.........So will all the rest of the world. Babylon = Satan's Dark Kingdom, that is why only when Satan is bound up Babylon FALLS.
Incorrect.

See Daniel 2 about all the 5 pieces of the beast statue being together when Jesus comes to smite it upon its feet. The whole world will have all those previous beast systems of history revived, but the MAIN CONTROL CENTER over them is going to be JERUSALEM where the coming false-Messiah is going to operate from in a rebuilt 3rd temple of stone.

Again, see Ezekiel 16 about God's idea of Jerusalem as a Harlot city. In Rev.18, the Harlot says of herself that she is 'no widow' but sits as a queen. That is a spiritual metaphor about her marriage to the Antichrist when he comes, just as God has promised JERUSALEM as His Bride. So that is NOT about all nations, it is about JERUSALEM specifically.
 

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Nay, you've gone to far, into speculation.
SMILE.....This board never ceases to amaze me, they have no ability to right a wrong headed idea. God in ONE VERSE states who Babylon is in Full, and by the way the Harlot is not Babylon, the two are SEPERATE ENTITIES, read Rev. 17, the Harlot RIDES the Beast. False Religion RIDES False Governance. Two sides to the same coin. One refuses to Worship the right God, the other refuses to follow the one and only God's Governance Decrees on ANYTHING.

Jerusalem indeed served False gods as did Rome, Greece, Babylon, and all mankind all over the whole word, CLUE #1 in Rev. 17 tells us she is the WATERS from the WHOLE WORLD. Not in one city. I can say the whole world is a Whore and also call Jerusalem a WHORE, you guys do not seem to be able to comprehend that, I don't get it tbh. Well, I do, because the Hoy Spirit told me what the Churches problem was and why we have so many interpretations. He said "Ron, you guys already know it all". So we can't ever learn in full because we trust in our own IDEAS/Mind and are not able to be molded and taught by God. Hey, I was the exact same way until my heart attack 7 years ago when God slowed me down and answered my prayer by telling me the problem was we already have all the answers. There is no such thing as 144,000 Super Jewish Preachers but every Preacher says it is true, and THAT IS WHY they can not see the 144,000 and The Woman in Rev. 12 are the EXACT SAME THING in two different codes.

Ignore what God says at your own peril, if there is one thing in the world I know its End Time Prophecy, I don't just GUESS like most here do. God states in Rev. 16:19 that Babylon the Great is whom Jesus defeats at Armageddon. Rev. 18 is Babylon (WHOLE WORLD) being Judged over a 42 month time frame, its not ONE CITY, God doesn't give His enemies a clear and concise rundown on His coming judgments, we can figure them out, they can't, because like the parables they can only be known by those of God via the scriptures. So, Babylon being inhabited by Devils in Rev. 18:2 is EASY for us to understand but not them, who gets cast to earth for 42 months? Satan and all his demons. Who gets released from the bottomless pit? Apollyon and his demon hordes !! So of course the WHOLE WORLD (Babylon) is the dwelling place of Demons. Using COMMON SENSE you would know God is not going to burn Jerusalem, lol, Jesus is going to rule from Jerusalem for 1000 years, its mind boggling you guys can't put this together tbh.

So, Babylon's judgment in verses 8 and 10 comes on ONE HOUR & in ONE DAY, but both mean 42 months, we know this via Rev. 17:12, the Kings rule ONE HOUR with the Beast who rules for how long? Well, 42 months !! Eureka, and the DOTL lasts how long? 42 months !!

Not understanding God is coming to judge the whole world and all of mankind is just dumbfounding to me tbh. Satan is good at deception and he uses men's PRIDE to tie them up in CONFUSION. Which is what Babel means.

It is what it is I guess.