Does the Bible identify "Babylon"?

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No worry’s friend. When God says “Come out of her”...
He is talking about coming out of following the ways of Corrupt nations.


Rev 18:
[4] And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Well, that is God calling Israel to flee Judea really. So, come out means get to te Petra/Bozrah area or you will partake in her (World/Babylon) plagues. NOTICE: Babylon has become a habitation of Devils, this all starts at the 1260 events, Satan is CAST DOWN to earth (that's what verse 2 means, Babylon has become a habitation of devils). The Woman flees for how long? 1260 days, that is why both are together in verses 2 and 4, Satan is cast down in verse 2, and Israel flees in verse 4.
 

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Well, that is God calling Israel to flee Judea really. So, come out means get to te Petra/Bozrah area or you will partake in her (World/Babylon) plagues. NOTICE: Babylon has become a habitation of Devils, this all starts at the 1260 events, Satan is CAST DOWN to earth (that's what verse 2 means, Babylon has become a habitation of devils). The Woman flees for how long? 1260 days, that is why both are together in verses 2 and 4, Satan is cast down in verse 2, and Israel flees in verse 4.

Yes...TY
She, Her, Woman, Feminine are references to Nations and Cities.
Israel is called to FLEE to Mt Zion (Sion).
 
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In Hebrew, whether its the tower, the city, the empire, and its meaning in prophecy down to the close of human history and Christs return, are all the same Hebrew word babel , Babylon. Babel is Babylon and Babel is confusion.

The name Babylon is derived from BAB-ILU which was “gate of the gods” or "the portal of the gods", and in a sense it thus portrays a means of access to the gods that is contrary to God's prescribed plan of salvation. Access is granted through the system and not by faith in Jesus Christ. It is a system where salvation by works replaces salvation by faith and the Protestant Reformers realized it and the system behind it.

The Babylonian system of worship has ever been a snare to God's people, as it is more in tune with human nature to rely on salvation by works than on salvation by grace. From the very beginning, these two systems of worship have been in confrontation with each other. The story of Cain and Abel illustrates this point. Abel listened to the divine directive and brought a lamb without blemish as an offering, but Cain brought the fruits of his labor. When the offering of Abel was accepted by God, the anger of Cain was aroused and ever since, this first confrontation between these two systems of worship, has been in conflict on this planet.

Ancient Babylon serves as a type of a much greater end-time confederacy of religious apostasy and intolerance that would seek to control conscience before the close of earth's history, and yet it will meet its end. We see in Revelation 14:8...
"And there followed another angel saying, 'Babylon is fallen is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.'" Revelation 14:8

The Bible warns against Babylon, and urge God's people to come out of Babylon, and we see it also reflecting the spiritual decay of the system...

"And he cried mightily with a strong voice saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird." Revelation 18:2

The unclean and hateful birds appears to reference a counterfeit Holy Spirit that would power the system and lead people to believe that they are working with the power of God when it is a deception masquerading as truth. In verse 4, we see it with a warning..

"Come out of her My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." Revelation 18:4

God would not urge His people to come out of Babylon if it were impossible for them to identify Babylon. During the early Christian centuries, Jewish and Christian literature referred to the city of Rome as Babylon. 1 Peter 5:13 also refers to Rome as Babylon, as Peter wrote these words whilst in Rome, and literal Babylon no longer existed....

"The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son." 1 Peter 5:13

In Revelation 17, John is invited to witness the judgment of the great prostitute who sits on many waters, seductively deceiving the inhabitants of the earth. This woman is subsequently identified as “ ‘Babylon the great, the mother of harlots’ ”. In the scriptures, a prostitute symbolically refers to God’s people in their apostasy. The portrayal of the prostitute in Revelation 17 shows that she represents an entity that was once faithful to God before aligning herself with the end-time opponent of God and His faithful remnant. Babylon is thus a corporate name for an end-time apostate entity.

The Protestants of the Reformation knew who it was and referred to it as spiritual Babylon, the antichrist entity and enemy of God's people. The woman that rides the beast in Revelation 17 also has all the identifying features which make it easier to find...

"1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication." Revelation 17:1-2.

The woman is first referenced to as sitting on “many waters” and according to Revelation 17:5, the waters upon which the prostitute was seen symbolize the civil, secular, and political powers of the world. Just as the ancient Babylon depended on the Euphrates River for its existence, so will the end-time Babylon depend on the civil, secular, and political powers of the world to enforce its plans and purposes.

"And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: and upon her forehead was a name written: Mystery, Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth." Revelation 17:4-5.

In the Bible the symbol of a woman represents the church. Isaiah the prophet extends the symbol of a woman to that of a bride. The pure bride represents the pure church..

"As the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee." Isaiah 62:5.

We find in the New Testament the same symbolism is employed...

"...for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ." 2 Corinthians 11:2.

Babylon is described in Revelation 17:5 as the "mother of harlots" an apostate religious systems or church, "Mystery" and the "abominations of the earth". Obviously if God's people are the chaste woman faithful to her husband, then Babylon is the opposite of this symbol or that system of worship which is unfaithful to God, and has a mystery religion and teaches and practices abominations.

Its not hard to figure out who persecuted the saints, and brought in the paganism and abominable practices into the church...
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Hello Hobie,

Yes, During the years ahead of us, it appears that the United States and other nations of the "lost ten tribes" of Israel, together with Judah (the land known as "Israel" in the Middle East), will somehow lose their national sovereignty, and become absorbed into the "New World Order." This has already begun to occur, with the passage of legislation forcing NAFTA, GATT, and trade agreements upon our nations, leading to loss of jobs, and suffering. We are becoming part of the end-time "Babylon the Great." Read my articles entitled, "Who Is Modern Babylon the Great?" and “Coming Soon – a Modern Roman Empire!” Right in front of our eyes, the United States is being transformed into a part of this onrushing global world government system – this tentacled octopus. America is on the brink.

Gargantuan national debt, growing unemployment, increasing federal power and tyranny, and anger and hatred, are fueling internal strife and violence, economic collapse, and a systematic political take-over or coup. National sovereignty will be a thing of the past. Our enslavement will become complete as our nations become trodden down by and merged into the New World Order. Our resources and military will then be used on the behalf of that World Government. When that international New World Order is complete, its first order of business, following the conquest of rebellious nations, will be revealed in the mysterious "fifth seal" of Revelation.

Notice! The Martyrdom of Saints After the four horsemen of the apocalypse begin to ride, dealing death and destruction, there will be great persecution upon Christians and Jews -- known as the "Great Tribulation." The book of Revelation continues the story: "And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the SOULS OF THEM THAT WERE SLAIN for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held. . . . And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be KILLED AS THEY WERE, should be fulfilled" (Rev.6:9-11). This great persecution and martyrdom and oppression will occur at the hands of the "Beast" power of Revelation -- the "New World Order" -- modern "Babylon the great" -- after it has come into existence! It will oppress and rule for three and one half years (Rev.13:1-5).
 
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Here is yet another Bible link showing the Babylon Harlot of Revelation is about the CITY OF JERUSALEM in idol worship for the end of this world.

Rev 18:7
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, "
I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow."
KJV



The Babylon Harlot says of herself, "I sit a queen, and am no widow...". Those are symbolic metaphors pointing back to The Old Testament Books.

The idea in God's Word with JERUSALEM in 'widowhood' was about fallen Jerusalem per Lamentations 1. God calls her a "widow" there. The Babylon Harlot in Rev.18:7 says she is "no widow", and that she sits as a queen. What is that about?

Whom did God say He has married? JERUSALEM (per Ezekiel 16). Even Revelation 21 reveals the new Jerusalem coming down from Heaven AS A BRIDE ADORNED FOR HER HUSBAND. Likewise, the Babylon Harlot claims she sits a queen, meaning SHE IS MARRIED, but to whom? And she also says she is NO WIDOW, which also points to her being MARRIED (spiritually of course, since the Babylon Harlot is a "great city", Jerusalem on earth).

Satan is coming as the Antichrist to MARRY END-TIME JERUSALEM, the very BRIDE that God has betrothed to Himself. (Does this reveal why the Jerusalem on earth will be destroyed at Christ's future coming and replaced with the new Jerusalem coming down from God out of Heaven? It should, because Satan himself is coming to claim earthly Jerusalem, just because he wants to be God and worshiped as God. But God is obviously going to use earthly Jerusalem in idol worship as punishment upon the Jews that have rejected His Son Jesus Christ.)


Lam 1:1-2
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How doth the city sit solitary, that was full of people how is she become as a widow she that was great among the nations, and princess among the provinces, how is she become tributary
2 She weepeth sore in the night, and her tears are on her cheeks: among all her lovers she hath none to comfort her: all her friends have dealt treacherously with her, they are become her enemies.
KJV
 

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Here is yet another Bible link showing the Babylon Harlot of Revelation is about the CITY OF JERUSALEM in idol worship for the end of this world.

Rev 18:7
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, "
I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow."
KJV



The Babylon Harlot says of herself, "I sit a queen, and am no widow...". Those are symbolic metaphors pointing back to The Old Testament Books.

The idea in God's Word with JERUSALEM in 'widowhood' was about fallen Jerusalem per Lamentations 1. God calls her a "widow" there. The Babylon Harlot in Rev.18:7 says she is "no widow", and that she sits as a queen. What is that about?

Whom did God say He has married? JERUSALEM (per Ezekiel 16). Even Revelation 21 reveals the new Jerusalem coming down from Heaven AS A BRIDE ADORNED FOR HER HUSBAND. Likewise, the Babylon Harlot claims she sits a queen, meaning SHE IS MARRIED, but to whom? And she also says she is NO WIDOW, which also points to her being MARRIED (spiritually of course, since the Babylon Harlot is a "great city", Jerusalem on earth).

Satan is coming as the Antichrist to MARRY END-TIME JERUSALEM, the very BRIDE that God has betrothed to Himself. (Does this reveal why the Jerusalem on earth will be destroyed at Christ's future coming and replaced with the new Jerusalem coming down from God out of Heaven? It should, because Satan himself is coming to claim earthly Jerusalem, just because he wants to be God and worshiped as God. But God is obviously going to use earthly Jerusalem in idol worship as punishment upon the Jews that have rejected His Son Jesus Christ.)


Lam 1:1-2
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How doth the city sit solitary, that was full of people how is she become as a widow she that was great among the nations, and princess among the provinces, how is she become tributary
2 She weepeth sore in the night, and her tears are on her cheeks: among all her lovers she hath none to comfort her: all her friends have dealt treacherously with her, they are become her enemies.
KJV
Unless of course Babylon's declaration that she is "no widow" is a lie from an apostate system.
 

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Unless of course Babylon's declaration that she is "no widow" is a lie from an apostate system.

There is no "declaration" in that passage. She is talking/thinking to herself, trying to act as if she is in great standing when she isn't.

Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
 

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There is no "declaration" in that passage. She is talking/thinking to herself, trying to act as if she is in great standing when she isn't.

Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Right.

But it's WHY... she says that in her heart that we are to understand.

"I sit a queen" and that "am no widow" ideas are pointing that she is MARRIED.

And remember, the last verse of Rev.17 shows us that Babylon Harlot is a "great city".

So WHAT city did God say He has put His name there, for to dwell there forever??? And per Ezekiel 16, WHAT city did He marry?

Many of today's Churches need... to be catching brethren up on Bible history about Satan's original rebellion of old when he tried to exalt himself in place of God, with his coveting God's Throne. For that is what all this is about for the endtime Babylon Harlot. Satan plans to 'marry' Jerusalem at the end of this world because he is coming to exalt himself in place of God, just like he did when he committed the very first sin that caused him to originally fall. This is why Revelation 21 points out about the new Jerusalem coming down from Heaven as a Bride, which is about GOD being married to the new Jerusalem.
 

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Huh?

What do you think... it means when a woman says she is NOT a widow? what does your common sense tell you?
Common sense doesn't enter into the equation. It's about the character and nature of the one speaking. Babylon is an apostate system, a global church opposed to the true church, the remnant. When she claims she is no widow she is claiming to be married to the Lord. She is lying. The true Bride is her avowed enemy, and the target of her persecutions and hatred. The Lord has only one bride.
 

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Babylon is an apostate system, a global church opposed to the true church, the remnant.

Babylon will recruit and receive Apostates in the GT but she is part of a false religion (worshiping the AC as a god) that will be mainly composed of non-Apostates (non-Christians).

I know you think she is the RCC/Papacy but she isn't. She will be far larger than the RCC ever was or is and will swallow up people of all denominations in the great Apostasy which will include Protestants, Mormons, Sda's, everyone!
 

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Common sense doesn't enter into the equation. It's about the character and nature of the one speaking. Babylon is an apostate system, a global church opposed to the true church, the remnant. When she claims she is no widow she is claiming to be married to the Lord. She is lying. The true Bride is her avowed enemy, and the target of her persecutions and hatred. The Lord has only one bride.
Common sense is always a PART of the equation, because God expects us to use common sense in understanding His Word with help by The Holy Spirit. What do you think, that The Holy Spirit is supposed to sit there and just dictate to us personally? Do you hear voices, is that how you know what God's Holy Writ says? Did you not know that the early universities and centers of learning in the west were started by the Christian Church? Early preachers in the American colonies and those who served office usually were educated at the first American universities for those roles.

The last verse of Revelation 17 tells us that the Babylon Harlot of Revelation is a "great city". That means it AIN'T no religious system.

And in the Rev.18 verse where the Babylon Harlot says she sits a queen, and is no widow, she is NOT proclaiming to be married to The LORD. She is only showing that she is MARRIED, and we are supposed to be wise enough USING COMMON SENSE to understand that idea is for us to FIND OUT who she is married to, metaphorically.

It will be SATAN himself, coming to this earth in plain sight, at JERUSALEM, that "great city" of Revelation 17 and Revelation 11:8.
 

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Common sense is always a PART of the equation, because God expects us to use common sense in understanding His Word with help by The Holy Spirit. What do you think, that The Holy Spirit is supposed to sit there and just dictate to us personally? Do you hear voices, is that how you know what God's Holy Writ says? Did you not know that the early universities and centers of learning in the west were started by the Christian Church? Early preachers in the American colonies and those who served office usually were educated at the first American universities for those roles.

The last verse of Revelation 17 tells us that the Babylon Harlot of Revelation is a "great city". That means it AIN'T no religious system.

And in the Rev.18 verse where the Babylon Harlot says she sits a queen, and is no widow, she is NOT proclaiming to be married to The LORD. She is only showing that she is MARRIED, and we are supposed to be wise enough USING COMMON SENSE to understand that idea is for us to FIND OUT who she is married to, metaphorically.

It will be SATAN himself, coming to this earth in plain sight, at JERUSALEM, that "great city" of Revelation 17 and Revelation 11:8.
The sense that is common appears pretty confused ...in my estimation
 

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The sense that is common appears pretty confused ...in my estimation
That's opinion with no... substance. Not very righteous per Biblical standards. But of course some come here as 'pretenders' that say things like the above.
 

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This is a study I did for Babylon the great a few years ago

Is Babylon the great that the book of Revelation talks about really the same Babylon that Isaiah 21 and 47 or Zechariah 2 prophesied about? If so then why is it called mystery Babylon?

Below are 10 points from the bible that show us that first century Jerusalem is the Babylon the great of the book of Revelation.

1) Ezekiel 16 and Revelation 18

If you read Ezekiel chapter 16 you will see that God mentions that Jerusalem prostituted herself to the nations. See how it resembles Revelation chapter 18 as God judges that great prostitute who the kings of the earth commit adultery with. There are many similarities between Ezekiel 16 and Revelation 18.

2) The woman in the wilderness.

In Revelation 12:6 & 12:14 the woman Israel is taken into the wilderness for protection for a set time. We then find a women in the wilderness in Revelation 17:3 sitting on a beast as John is taken into the wilderness to see her. This woman is called the great prostitute. The name on her forehead is

Babylon the great
the mother of prostitutes
and of the abominations of the earth.

If this wasn’t the same woman in Revelation 12 then what happened to the woman in Revelation 12 after the set time?

3) The great city

Babylon the great is called the great city in Revelation 17:18 and Revelation 18:21. Not a great city but the great city. A great city could be one of many cities but the great city could only be one city. Revelation 11:8 says that the great city is the city where our lord was crucified. Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem.

4) 1 Peter 5:13 states she who is in Babylon greets you.

This shows that the saints knew who Babylon was at that time. It has been said that the she in Babylon was the church in Jerusalem where it is believed that Peter lived at that time.

5) The woman dressed in scarlet and gold.

In Revelation 17:4 the woman is dressed in scarlet, gold and precious stones. Jeremiah 4:30 also says that Jerusalem is dressed in scarlet jewels and gold.

6) Your lovers will despise and kill you.

Both Jerusalem in Jeremiah 4:30-31 and Babylon the great in Revelation 17 are killed by her lovers.

Some people believe that Babylon the great will be the city that a future antichrist
known as the beast will rule from. In Revelation 17:16-17 it says that the beast and
the 10 horns will hate the prostitute and bring her to ruin because God had put it into
their hearts to accomplish his purpose. Why would the beast destroy the city or
empire that he rules from? Rome who I believe to be the beast did destroy Jerusalem.

In 70AD Rome did destroy Jerusalem for Gods purpose.

7) The nations will mourn

Jeremiah 4:28 says the earth will mourn at the destruction of Jerusalem. Revelation 18:9,11,15 and 19 all say that the kings, merchants and all who work on the seas will mourn at the destruction of Babylon the great.

8) The cup of Gods wrath

Both Jerusalem and Babylon the great drink the cup of Gods wrath. Isaiah 51:17 & Revelation 16:19

9) A queen and a widow.

In Revelation 18:7 Babylon the great says I sit as queen I will never be a widow. n Jerusalem in Lamentations 1:1-2 is described as a queen who is now a widow. Both Babylon the great and Jerusalem’s friends betray and destroy them.

10) All who have been killed on the earth. This is the most important point.

Revelation 18:20
20 “Rejoice over her, you heavens!
Rejoice, you people of God!
Rejoice, apostles and prophets!
For God has judged her
with the judgment she imposed on you.”

Revelation 18:24
24 In her was found the blood of prophets and of God’s holy people,
of all who have been slaughtered on the earth.”

Revelation 18:20 says that Babylon the great killed both the saints and the prophets. Revelation 18:24 says Babylon the great is responsible for all of the blood of the saints and prophets and all that have been killed on the earth.

Only Israel is responsible for killing both the prophets and the saints.

Now read what Jesus said in Matthew 23:35 as he was prophesying about the destruction of Jerusalem

35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Jesus was saying that Jerusalem just like Babylon the great is responsible for and will be judged of all the blood that has been shed on the earth. They must be one and the same. This is prophecy fulfilled.

At the time on Matthew 23:35 the saints where not yet killed. The Jews shortly there after started their persecution of the saints.
Babylon was also know as Sumer, "Soo-mer", and located in the southern half of Iraq in the valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers.
 

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It's still about JERUSALEM as the Babylon Harlot of Revelation.

Last verse of Revelation 17 tells us the Babylon Harlot is a "great city". So we can't go looking at the geographic location for ancient Babylon and expect that's what Christ was pointing to. Saddam actually tried to rebuild the ancient ruins of the city of Babylon in Iraq. At its height it truly was one of wonders of the world, historians say. But that's NOT the Babylon of Revelation.

The phrase of the "great city" appears in Revelation 10 times, and with its last mention in Revelation 21:10 is it pointing to the new Jerusalem coming down to earth from God out of Heaven.

First mention of "great city" in Revelation is at Revelation 11:8 which reveals its location AS JERUSALEM WHERE LORD JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED.

Furthermore, in Ezekiel 16 God gave a long description about Jerusalem as a Harlot, even showing how He originally cleansed her, put nice clothing on her, and jewels, and covered her with His skirt (symbolic of marriage).

So those who refuse... to see the Babylon Harlot as JERUSALEM in a FALLEN STATE ONCE AGAIN, are simply heeding the devil's doctrines that have slipped into the pulpits of their churches. I mean, even Lord Jesus and Apostle Paul gave DIRECT pointers that the coming pseudo-Christ will be revealed in end time JERUSALEM, and even that Jesus will return to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem! It don't say, Iraq, New York, Rome, Brussels, etc.

Oh how many of God's people just love... to be deceived!
 

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That means it AIN'T no religious system.
Babylon is forming in the world right now before your very eyes, is as religious as you could possibly imagine, and you can't see it. Explains why the whole world, including every denomination and nation, and yes, even some in my own, will be deceived by her lies and receive the beast's mark.
In order to understand, you would do better to start at the beginning, slowly, with no unbiblical assumptions and presumptions, and rely on God's word, for the Bible explains and interprets itself.
 
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That's opinion with no... substance. Not very righteous per Biblical standards. But of course some come here as 'pretenders' that say things like the above.
I s'pose we'll have to wait and see who the pretenders are because everyone has an/ their opinion. :)
 

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It's still about JERUSALEM as the Babylon Harlot of Revelation.

Last verse of Revelation 17 tells us the Babylon Harlot is a "great city". So we can't go looking at the geographic location for ancient Babylon and expect that's what Christ was pointing to. Saddam actually tried to rebuild the ancient ruins of the city of Babylon in Iraq. At its height it truly was one of wonders of the world, historians say. But that's NOT the Babylon of Revelation.

The phrase of the "great city" appears in Revelation 10 times, and with its last mention in Revelation 21:10 is it pointing to the new Jerusalem coming down to earth from God out of Heaven.

First mention of "great city" in Revelation is at Revelation 11:8 which reveals its location AS JERUSALEM WHERE LORD JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED.

Furthermore, in Ezekiel 16 God gave a long description about Jerusalem as a Harlot, even showing how He originally cleansed her, put nice clothing on her, and jewels, and covered her with His skirt (symbolic of marriage).

So those who refuse... to see the Babylon Harlot as JERUSALEM in a FALLEN STATE ONCE AGAIN, are simply heeding the devil's doctrines that have slipped into the pulpits of their churches. I mean, even Lord Jesus and Apostle Paul gave DIRECT pointers that the coming pseudo-Christ will be revealed in end time JERUSALEM, and even that Jesus will return to the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem! It don't say, Iraq, New York, Rome, Brussels, etc.

Oh how many of God's people just love... to be deceived!
Paul spoke of putting off his tent. Do you think that had something to do with being a tent maker?
 
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In order to understand, you would do better to start at the beginning, slowly, with no unbiblical assumptions and presumptions, and rely on God's word, for the Bible explains and interprets itself.


LOL, what?

Those words suddenly mean nothing considering the fact that you believe the mark of the beast is Sunday worship which everyone knows isn't something from the bible at all!

Take your own advice and focus on real possibilities for what the mark will be.
 
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LOL, what?

Those words suddenly mean nothing considering the fact that you believe the mark of the beast is Sunday worship which everyone knows isn't something from the bible at all!

Take your own advice and focus on real possibilities for what the mark will be.
...and whatever you posit as the mark of the beast, is that something from the bible?