Does the day of Christ resurrection tell us to worship on Sunday?

[GerhardEbersoehn]

"And when the Sabbath (singular) was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. And very early in the morning the first day of the week ( Gr. sabaton-genitive, neuter Plural), they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun". The translator is wrong in using "week" instead of Sabbaths.

<<"And when the Sabbath (singular) was past, ...>> so what? That Sabbath was singular the Singular or not. Jesus rose from the dead on it, whether those women knew or not.

So regardless what this is, <<(Gr. sabaton-genitive, neuter Plural)>> you're completely nuts that <<The translator is wrong in using "week" instead of Sabbaths.>> Mark 16:2 has 'lian proh-i tehi Miai [Hehmerai] tohn Sabbatohn, Just what the AKJV has, "Very early (before sunrise) on the First (Day) of the week".

 

[mjrhealth]

Why do you think God raised Christ from the dead on the Sabbath? Because God rested on the Seventh Day wherefore the Seventh Day is the Sabbath of the LORD GOD <in the ten commandments>.

But no one has the guts to get to the core and bone of the so-called Sabbath-issue.

The sabbath is not an issue, its mens pride and ignorance.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The sabbath is not an issue, its mens pride and ignorance.

Idiots drunken with pride will not see the issue.

 

[mjrhealth]

Idiots drunken with pride will not see the issue.

There is no issue except for those who choose to make it one. And it seems you have an Issue with it...

 

[Heart2Soul]

why do you think God included the Sabbath rest in the ten commandments H2S?

Is Jesus Lord of the Sabbath? What exactly does mean to you?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Is Jesus Lord of the Sabbath?

If you believe Jesus; He said He is Lord of the Sabbath Day. What it means to anyone is irrelevant to anyone else.

 

[quietthinker]

Is Jesus Lord of the Sabbath? What exactly does mean to you?

It tells us he is the Creator. It also tells us that he is the one that calls the shots on this matter......and what shots does he call?....he honours God's requirements perfectly and asks us to do the same. We can see this in his reply to the rich young ruler.

Think of this....He gives his law to Israel and because one of them gathers sticks on the Sabbath contrary to the requirement he is executed by stoning.......Now, as many assert, he changed the seventh day to the first as the day as the day of rest....if that were true then a man lost his life because he gathered sticks on a day of rest which God was going to change anyway, if that were the case. I would say fickle behaviour of this nature resembles that of the heathen deities rather than the that of the God who says he does not change.

all that being said, You have't answered my original question....'why do you think that God included the Sabbath rest in the Ten Commandments?'

 

[quietthinker]

No, dear, I didn't mean for you to repeat the law. I know the law. And I don't doubt that Jesus was there as the Word of God. After all, the Father, the Word and the Spirit are one. I meant, show me where hate and lust, and not just murder and adultery were in the Law.

do you not see that murder is the end product of hate and adultery is the fully ripened fruit of lust??????? that has got to be as obvious as a train smash.

Are you not aware that it was the religious folk who interpreted the Law as surface behaviour so they could indulge their sinful intentions. You are like white washed tombs Jesus said, you appear clean on the outside but inside you are full of all sorts of corruption......Jesus corrected them again "if a man lusts after a woman in his heart he has committed adultery already'

 

[CharismaticLady]

do you not see that murder is the end product of hate and adultery is the fully ripened fruit of lust??????? that has got to be as obvious as a train smash.

Are you not aware that it was the religious folk who interpreted the Law as surface behaviour so they could indulge their sinful intentions. You are like white washed tombs Jesus said, you appear clean on the outside but inside you are full of all sorts of corruption......Jesus corrected them again "if a man lusts after a woman in his heart he has committed adultery already'

That is why the Ten Commandments couldn't make anyone righteous, because of our carnal nature that hated and lusted. They were just surface commandments, like kindergarten. God guarded us with them UNTIL Christ. The Law couldn't keep us from sinning, only the Holy Spirit in us. The Spirit went to our core and made us born again.

 

[quietthinker]

That is why the Ten Commandments couldn't make anyone righteous, because of our carnal nature that hated and lusted. They were just surface commandments, like kindergarten. God guarded us with them UNTIL Christ. The Law couldn't keep us from sinning, only the Holy Spirit in us. The Spirit went to our core and made us born again.

If a person is born again he/she will see the beyond the surface...that's what being born again implies. Those who are not born again can only see the Commandments as surface and easily dismiss them even though they are not surface whereas those who are born again see the greater implications the Law highlights.

Sin is transgression of the Law the scripture says. If we have the desire to not sin we are saying the Law is righteous and good just as Paul declares in Romans 7.

Denigrating the Law reveals ignorance to say the least or outright rebellion at worst.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Sin is transgression of the Law the scripture says. If we have the desire to not sin we are saying the Law is righteous and good just as Paul declares in Romans 7.

But those in Romans 7 were UNDER the law. They still had the carnal nature of sin. If Jesus frees us from sin, then the deeper laws are written on your heart, and you have a completely different nature. Not one that sins and needs Commandments to show them.

 

[quietthinker]

But those in Romans 7 were UNDER the law. They still had the carnal nature of sin. If Jesus frees us from sin, then the deeper laws are written on your heart, and you have a completely different nature. Not one that sins and needs Commandments to show them.

A re reading of Romans 7 and its accompanying chapter Romans 8 will reveal that Romans 7 is speaking of a believer.
A non believer has no interest in the Law of God yet Romans 7 tells us it is sin that is the problem, not the Law The believer struggles against sin, the non believer is indifferent to it even welcomes it.

By sidelining the Law one justifies sin. The expression 'UNDER the Law' requires context.....make certain you understand it right.

 

[mjrhealth]

By sidelining the Law one justifies sin. The expression 'UNDER the Law' requires context.....make certain you understand it right.

No one ever had to justify sin, with or without the law, we are justified in Christ because of what He did, love has become our standard, what the law failed to and still fails to do, love overcame.

Something like

Luk_11:39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.

 

[CharismaticLady]

A re reading of Romans 7 and its accompanying chapter Romans 8 will reveal that Romans 7 is speaking of a believer.
A non believer has no interest in the Law of God yet Romans 7 tells us it is sin that is the problem, not the Law The believer struggles against sin, the non believer is indifferent to it even welcomes it.

By sidelining the Law one justifies sin. The expression 'UNDER the Law' requires context.....make certain you understand it right.

Romans 7 is not a believer. They have not yet been filled with the Spirit (requirement) and been freed from sin. What about that don't you get?

 

[quietthinker]

Romans 7 is not a believer. They have not yet been filled with the Spirit (requirement) and been freed from sin. What about that don't you get?

does a non believer desire to do the Law?

 

[quietthinker]

No one ever had to justify sin, with or without the law, we are justified in Christ because of what He did, love has become our standard, what the law failed to and still fails to do, love overcame.

Something like

Luk_11:39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.

So love allows you to break the Law?

 

[mjrhealth]

If that is what you think of love than you do not know love, as for the law no one but Christ ever keep it and no one but Christ will ever keep it, are you greater than Christ???

 

[quietthinker]

If that is what you think of love than you do not know love, as for the law no one but Christ ever keep it and no one but Christ will ever keep it, are you greater than Christ???

you have evaded the question and attempting a diversion.

 

[mjrhealth]

you have evaded the question and attempting a diversion.

No I have told you the truth, you dont Keep the law, you may work at it, but you will always fail at it, so to say you do makes you a liar, and so you have sinned and broken the law. so keep at it and trample Gods grace underfoot as so many choose to do. There are none perfect and I certainly am not perfect, and no, you never needed an excuse to sin so you dont need one now.

 

[Pilgrimer]

Philosophy does not explain Scripture, never has, never will. It says, "God finished the Seventh Day all His Works He Did Do on the Seventh Day" -- not finished his works He had done creating the six days before the Seventh Day.


There is only one way God's Rest on the Seventh Day can and must be understood, his Rest was God's work -- his act of to work the Rest of God : "BY THE SON". No other Way! Genesis 2:2,3 is the summary of Genesis 3:8-24. Through what He did do on the Seventh Day blessing, sanctifying, finishing and resting on it, God as it were told Adam and Eve, <You can rest in faith now that you are acceptable to God through the blood of Christ which, though your sins be as scarlet, they are now washed in the blood of the Lamb and are white as snow. And that's the Gospel truth.> Hebrews 3:1-8.

Perhaps it is just me, but your reasoning is very difficult to follow. Are you suggesting that resting on the Sabbath is actually work?

And are you really suggesting that Adam and Eve received atonement for sin before the Cross? Because if so, then the cross was not necessary to make atonement for sin so Jesus suffered and died for nothing, if as you say Adam and Eve were able to "rest in faith" that "now" they were "acceptable to God through the blood of Christ" millennia before that blood was shed. You might want to think that through a bit more and perhaps study up on exactly how atonement was achieved. It always surprises me that those Christians who claim to be lovers and followers of the Mosaic Law actually know so little about it.

In Christ,
Pilgrimer