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bbyrd009

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As to poppies, opium, and heroin, they could produce all the narcotics they liked, but if the USA had shut off the pipelines into the States, they could not have profited from this either. According to a CIA report, most of the Afghani heroin goes to Russia, some to Western Europe, and only some to the USA and Canada (via Pakistan). Whether their report is factual or not is another matter.

Let's face it. The USA should never have set foot in Afghanistan.
The people who made this awful decision forgot to study history -- or decided to ignore it. Neither Alexander the Great nor Russia could conquer Afghanistan. The USA also failed, and has suffered an unnecessary loss of lives, materiel, infrastructure, prestige, and cash because of this foolishness. Billions of dollars down the drain, hundreds of thousands of lives lost for nothing, and earning only the hatred of the Afghans.

And it turns out that Osama was in Pakistan all along, and Bill Clinton deliberately chose to spare him. According to the Daily Mail:
  • Marty Martin, who was a CIA counterterrorism officer at the time, said if 'Clinton had taken action and killed Osama bin Laden, there wouldn't have been a 9/11'
    • Clinton told a small group of business leaders in Melbourne on September 10, 2001: 'I could have killed him, but I would have to destroy a little town'
    • Ten hours later the first plane hit the World Trade Center in New York City
When Trump took office, every soldier should have been pulled out of Afghanistan, and all armaments etc should have returned to America. All foreign aid to Pakistan and Afghanistan should have been cut off and diverted to build that wall (a national security issue). Now he wants to pull them out because of COVID-19, but that's a flimsy excuse.
well, i would advocate building longer tables over higher walls, but tbh i dont really care what those ppl in the world do. Obv someone is getting rich, and we get the herion, not the money
 

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They are very scared of open discussion or debate, because it is this rigorous obedience that is the faith, and once you see its foundations are sand, it all falls down.
it's statements like this that make it obvious you have never interacted with actual Muslims, on the street, with all due respect. What you say might be true of Political Islam--even if it also applies moreso to Christians imo, i mean most of our preachers will "Quote" "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" at one with a completely straight face, right; and most Christians will nod their heads in agreement, too--so again i would suggest that different frames are available, even if they are not near as comfortable. For a Christian who identifies with the world anyway.
 

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The real issue is that if Muslims hate the West and Christianity so much, why in the world have they flocked to the West, and why in the world did the wealthy Muslim nations not ensure that all Muslim refugees or migrants went to Muslim lands instead of the *corrupt* West? Saudi Arabia could easily accommodate all Muslims from anywhere, for example. They have the cash as well as the land mass. They could literally build new cities for Muslims if they had a mind to.

And wherever there has been a Muslim migrant invasion to the West, there has also been a very serious increase in crime. The no-go zones in Europe are a testimony to the fact that Muslims have no intention of assimilating, but are there for indirect Jihad and the establishment of Sharia Law. And Erdogan of Turkey is blackmailing Europe and in fact INVADING Europe while the feckless Europeans look on. But the Europeans only have themselves to blame.
Isn't it obvious that worldwide conquest is their goal?

Revelation 13:7 And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.
 

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it's statements like this that make it obvious you have never interacted with actual Muslims, on the street, with all due respect. What you say might be true of Political Islam--even if it also applies moreso to Christians imo, i mean most of our preachers will "Quote" "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord" at one with a completely straight face, right; and most Christians will nod their heads in agreement, too--so again i would suggest that different frames are available, even if they are not near as comfortable. For a Christian who identifies with the world anyway.

I have to apologise to you. Interaction with muslims or people who come from a muslim background on secular issues is one thing. To talk to muslims about what they believe is another. If you do not believe in critical thinking, then ofcourse most will express their basic belief and leave it at that, just as a lot of church goers would express their view, and not be able to hold a coherent discussion as to why they believe.

A common islamic concept is corruption. You have corrupted the Inshallah. Now muhammed in his writings is a little imprecis. He likes dedicated believers who follow Jesus's teaching, but is critical of hypocrites. Therefore he criticises those who do not follow the revelation, implying their is an authentic revelation in the bible. At some point therefore a corruption has to of occurred, except this cannot be identified.

This inshallah of God is love, that love is the highest ethic of all, it encapsulates the whole of the law and the prophets. And the problem is Muhammed does not mention love at all, even love of God. So one has an ethical and philosophical problem. Muhammed could be the corruption, and what he expressed is actually a distortion of Gods Inshallah.

Again the Koran is a copy of Gods Koran in heaven, except 20% is not understood, with words that have no exact definition. And verses are used without context to found morals and an approach which is totally open ended and a subjective focus. The Haddith on the other hand is thousands of saying, which may or may not carry authority, upon which most of Islam stands. And most have not read or know the variations because they are so vast. So as soon as you want to define something definitively, one has a problem. A vague Koran, and a massive series of quotes or examples in the haddith which may or may not be valid cause debate, which is not allowed, the Imam tells you the meaning. The average muslim then goes with the local Imam, daily prayers, and thats fine. In Egypt they have phone lines for Imams to tell you if what you are doing is banned or okay, haram or halal, because there are no principles as such, just examples from the haddith. But here is a problem. Muhammed never drove a car, so can a woman? And since the book of law is closed, shariah, there can be no new revelation, so its just interpretation.

My simple test was 3 fold. Do you support death for apostacy, blasphemy and unbelief? Now most muslims refused to respond, which means if they decide I commit any of these three, they can kill me with no comeback. Another layer is if you are born into a muslim family you are a muslim so any change of position on Muhammed, is worthy of death. Now no matter how rosy you paint this, it is not freedom, or the ability to express yourself or even suggest marrying a six year old girl is pedophilia, and sex with a nine year old is just wrong. But here is an idiology that says its ok, and to even suggest this is wrong, ie Muhammed sinned, is blasphemy.

Now I do not know your understanding of Islam, but for some me just typing this is worthy of death. And I am just telling you their beliefs, and saying what the UN declares as wrong behaviour, and even as part of many countries constitutions.

Now I follow a simple principle, if you love others, Amen. I will not talk of breaking morality unless you harm others, and you can believe what you like and change it as many times as you like.

We live in 21st Century, but still whole cultures are happy to kill relatives because of a change of faith. And for me to protest such an idiology, is again to put myself in the firing line. To poke fun at Muhammed and his take over of Medinah is something that can get you killed. This is what I find unacceptable to any degree from any group. And this is from the best of peoples, who have the best of lives following the best person who ever lived. Sure thing.

It is the west that has destroyed their perfection, yet whole communities want to leave their paradise for the west. Now any sane person can quickly work out the basic idiology is wrong and creates a dysfunctional society.
 
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i suggest bc they are the kings of the east, and that "war" has now commenced
Actually most commentators regard China as being "the kings of the East" and that is evident right now. China has the world by its tail, but the Western nations have only themselves to blame. Mao declared war on the West 70 years ago, and everyone thought that is just a joke.

"The weeds of socialism are better than the crops of capitalism."
 
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Is it really that strong though?

In 20 years from 1996-2016 it did rise from 1.1% to 2.6%, going by this rate though, it would be unlikely to even see Australia become a Muslim majority nation in my lifetime.

What is growing way faster though in our nation is Atheism/Agnosticism, Irreligion jumped nearly 8% in 5 years from the 2011 census to the 2016 census, while Islam only gained 0.4% in growth during that time.

Let's look at Christian percentages though

As you would have noticed though the Christian percentages in Australia have dropped, in 1985, 73% of Australians ticked Christianity on their census forms. 61.1% in 2011, 52.1% in 2016.

If we compare to Lebanon, in 1985, 25% were said to be Christian, 40.5% in 2012, 45% in 2017.
Yes the real power of this Mob is really huge, as Christians nowadays we have no power at all that is worth a cracker to the Mobs because of Political Correctness. the Atheist is a total moron who is lost as they come and such have no hope in dealing with the cunning workings of Islam, as they are masters of deceptions.
Our Aussie forefathers knew what Islam was all about and would not tolerate it and did not want that madness here. one may say nowadays but that's racist ! but they did not care if it was regarded as such back then because that god to be idolised did not exist back then.

W Churchill said that Islam is like a dog with rabies, in a man.

A small rudder can direct a ship of fools.
 

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Actually most commentators regard China as being "the kings of the East" and that is evident right now. China has the world by its tail, but the Western nations have only themselves to blame. Mao declared war on the West 70 years ago, and everyone thought that is just a joke.

"The weeds of socialism are better than the crops of capitalism."
well i guess that will maybe play out on two fronts too then, dunno. But that would sure agree with appearances i guess