End‑Times Showdown: Comparing the Five Major Christian Views

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

MatthewG

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2021
19,508
5,934
113
35
Alabama
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Gender
Male
(To the moderators - I didn't know where to exactly to post this thread - I wanted it to be in debate thread(s) cause it encompasses such - however it does deal with the end-times as well - I believe this post could be helpful to some degree but you use your own discernment in which it can either stand or be deleted which ever is first.) - Thank you so much, Matthew.

What Are the Key Differences Between Amillennialism, Premillennialism, Futurism, Preterism, and Covenant‑Preterist/Kingdom‑Now Views?

This thread is for serious theological debate about how different Christian traditions understand the kingdom, prophecy, and the end times. Below are concise definitions of each view so we’re all arguing from the same starting point.


1. Premillennialism

Summary: Christ returns before a literal 1,000‑year earthly kingdom.

Key Features:

  • Revelation 20 is taken literally.
  • Israel and the Church are distinct (in dispensationalism).
  • Prophecies in Daniel, Revelation, Matthew 24 are mostly future.
  • Jesus will rule physically from Jerusalem.
  • Evil is not yet bound; Satan’s binding is future.
Debate Questions:

  • Does John 18:36 rule out a future earthly kingdom?
  • Should OT prophecies be fulfilled literally or spiritually?
  • How do we handle Jesus’ time statements (“this generation”)?

2. Amillennialism

Summary: The “millennium” is symbolic of the current church age.

Key Features:

  • Christ reigns spiritually from heaven now.
  • Satan is “bound” in the sense of being unable to stop the gospel.
  • OT promises are fulfilled in Christ and the Church.
  • No future earthly kingdom; next major event is the final judgment.
  • Revelation is symbolic, not chronological.
Debate Questions:

  • Does this view spiritualize too much?
  • How does it account for AD 70?
  • Is Satan really “bound” in any meaningful sense today?

3. Futurism

Summary: Most prophecy — Antichrist, Great Tribulation, Mark of the Beast — is still future.

Key Features:

  • Matthew 24, Revelation 4–22, 2 Thess 2 describe future global events.
  • The Great Tribulation is unprecedented and has not yet occurred.
  • A future world leader (Antichrist) will arise.
  • Cosmic signs are literal, not symbolic.
  • The world will enter a final crisis before Christ returns.
Debate Questions:

  • Do the time statements (“soon,” “near,” “this generation”) allow this?
  • Has history ever seen anything matching Revelation’s scale?
  • Is apocalyptic language literal or symbolic?

4. Preterism (Partial or Full)

Summary: Most or all prophecy was fulfilled in AD 70 with the fall of Jerusalem.

Key Features:

  • “This generation” refers to the first century.
  • Revelation’s “soon,” “near,” and “at hand” are taken literally.
  • Apocalyptic language is covenantal, not astronomical.
  • Christ’s “coming” in many texts refers to judgment, not bodily return.
  • Partial preterists affirm a future resurrection; full preterists do not.
Debate Questions:

  • Does AD 70 fulfill all of Matthew 24?
  • Is the “coming” of Christ in AD 70 the same as the Second Coming?
  • Does full preterism undermine the future hope of the church?

5. Covenant‑Preterist / Kingdom‑Now (My View)

Summary: Prophecy is fulfilled in Christ and the New Covenant; AD 70 marks the end of the Old Covenant age, but not the end of history. The kingdom is present, spiritual, and eternal — not geopolitical.

Key Features:

  • Jesus’ kingdom is “not of this world” (John 18:36).
  • AD 70 is the covenantal transition, not the end of the world.
  • Time statements are honored without collapsing everything into AD 70.
  • The resurrection and final judgment remain future.
  • Apocalyptic language is symbolic and covenantal.
  • Rejects both futurist timelines and full preterist extremes.
Debate Questions:

  • Does this view best harmonize time statements with future hope?
  • Does it avoid the literalism of futurism and the overreach of full preterism?
  • How does it interpret OT kingdom prophecies?

Thread Purpose

Use this thread to debate:

  • Which view best fits Scripture?
  • How should we interpret prophetic language?
  • What is the nature of Christ’s kingdom?
  • What happened in AD 70?
  • What remains future?
All positions are welcome — just keep it respectful and grounded in Scripture.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Marty fox

Marty fox

Well-Known Member
Jun 1, 2021
3,637
1,338
113
57
Vancouver
Faith
Christian
Country
Canada
Gender
Male
(To the moderators - I didn't know where to exactly to post this thread - I wanted it to be in debate thread(s) cause it encompasses such - however it does deal with the end-times as well - I believe this post could be helpful to some degree but you use your own discernment in which it can either stand or be deleted which ever is first.) - Thank you so much, Matthew.

What Are the Key Differences Between Amillennialism, Premillennialism, Futurism, Preterism, and Covenant‑Preterist/Kingdom‑Now Views?

This thread is for serious theological debate about how different Christian traditions understand the kingdom, prophecy, and the end times. Below are concise definitions of each view so we’re all arguing from the same starting point.


1. Premillennialism

Summary: Christ returns before a literal 1,000‑year earthly kingdom.

Key Features:

  • Revelation 20 is taken literally.
  • Israel and the Church are distinct (in dispensationalism).
  • Prophecies in Daniel, Revelation, Matthew 24 are mostly future.
  • Jesus will rule physically from Jerusalem.
  • Evil is not yet bound; Satan’s binding is future.
Debate Questions:

  • Does John 18:36 rule out a future earthly kingdom?
  • Should OT prophecies be fulfilled literally or spiritually?
  • How do we handle Jesus’ time statements (“this generation”)?

2. Amillennialism

Summary: The “millennium” is symbolic of the current church age.

Key Features:

  • Christ reigns spiritually from heaven now.
  • Satan is “bound” in the sense of being unable to stop the gospel.
  • OT promises are fulfilled in Christ and the Church.
  • No future earthly kingdom; next major event is the final judgment.
  • Revelation is symbolic, not chronological.
Debate Questions:

  • Does this view spiritualize too much?
  • How does it account for AD 70?
  • Is Satan really “bound” in any meaningful sense today?

3. Futurism

Summary: Most prophecy — Antichrist, Great Tribulation, Mark of the Beast — is still future.

Key Features:

  • Matthew 24, Revelation 4–22, 2 Thess 2 describe future global events.
  • The Great Tribulation is unprecedented and has not yet occurred.
  • A future world leader (Antichrist) will arise.
  • Cosmic signs are literal, not symbolic.
  • The world will enter a final crisis before Christ returns.
Debate Questions:

  • Do the time statements (“soon,” “near,” “this generation”) allow this?
  • Has history ever seen anything matching Revelation’s scale?
  • Is apocalyptic language literal or symbolic?

4. Preterism (Partial or Full)

Summary: Most or all prophecy was fulfilled in AD 70 with the fall of Jerusalem.

Key Features:

  • “This generation” refers to the first century.
  • Revelation’s “soon,” “near,” and “at hand” are taken literally.
  • Apocalyptic language is covenantal, not astronomical.
  • Christ’s “coming” in many texts refers to judgment, not bodily return.
  • Partial preterists affirm a future resurrection; full preterists do not.
Debate Questions:

  • Does AD 70 fulfill all of Matthew 24?
  • Is the “coming” of Christ in AD 70 the same as the Second Coming?
  • Does full preterism undermine the future hope of the church?

5. Covenant‑Preterist / Kingdom‑Now (My View)

Summary: Prophecy is fulfilled in Christ and the New Covenant; AD 70 marks the end of the Old Covenant age, but not the end of history. The kingdom is present, spiritual, and eternal — not geopolitical.

Key Features:

  • Jesus’ kingdom is “not of this world” (John 18:36).
  • AD 70 is the covenantal transition, not the end of the world.
  • Time statements are honored without collapsing everything into AD 70.
  • The resurrection and final judgment remain future.
  • Apocalyptic language is symbolic and covenantal.
  • Rejects both futurist timelines and full preterist extremes.
Debate Questions:

  • Does this view best harmonize time statements with future hope?
  • Does it avoid the literalism of futurism and the overreach of full preterism?
  • How does it interpret OT kingdom prophecies?

Thread Purpose

Use this thread to debate:

  • Which view best fits Scripture?
  • How should we interpret prophetic language?
  • What is the nature of Christ’s kingdom?
  • What happened in AD 70?
  • What remains future?
All positions are welcome — just keep it respectful and grounded in Scripture.

I view myself as a PP/amil are you more of a Partial Covenant‑Preterist?

What would you say is the difference in a Covenant‑Preterist and a PP?
 
  • Like
Reactions: MatthewG

TrevorHL

Active Member
Jul 17, 2024
660
196
43
82
New South Wales / Lake Macquarie
Faith
Christian
Country
Australia
Gender
Male
Greetings MatthewG,
1. Premillennialism
Summary:
Christ returns before a literal 1,000‑year earthly kingdom.

Key Features:
  • Prophecies in Daniel, Revelation, Matthew 24 are mostly future.
I consider that much of Daniel, Revelation and Mathew 24 have already been fulfilled. The first three Empires of Daniel 2 and Daniel 7 have come and gone and the detail concerning the little horn of the fourth beast is also past history. I subscribe to the Continuous Historical view of the Book of Revelation and as such the Seals and the Trumpets are past history and we are now in the period of the 6th Vial, near to the return of Jesus Christ and the Battle of Armageddon. Matthew 24 and Luke 21 were mainly fulfilled in the events of AD70.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
  • Like
Reactions: MatthewG

MatthewG

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2021
19,508
5,934
113
35
Alabama
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Gender
Male
I view myself as a PP/amil are you more of a Partial Covenant‑Preterist?

What would you say is the difference in a Covenant‑Preterist and a PP?

Hello Marty,

The difference is this:

Partial Preterists believe only some prophecy was fulfilled in AD 70, while I believe Jesus physically returned for His bride in AD 70 and fulfilled all Old Covenant prophecy at that time.

From my perspective, Jesus came exactly when He promised, gathered the bride He and the apostles prepared, and brought the Old Covenant age to its final end. The wrath on Israel, the destruction of the temple, and the covenantal transition were all completed in that generation.

Because of this, I don’t hold to Partial Preterism. I believe Jesus’ return in AD 70 marked His full victory over Satan, death, hell, and sin, and that we now live in the New Heavens and New Earth under the fully established New Covenant where God writes His law on the hearts and minds of His people.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Marty fox

MatthewG

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2021
19,508
5,934
113
35
Alabama
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Greetings MatthewG,

I consider that much of Daniel, Revelation and Mathew 24 have already been fulfilled. The first three Empires of Daniel 2 and Daniel 7 have come and gone and the detail concerning the little horn of the fourth beast is also past history. I subscribe to the Continuous Historical view of the Book of Revelation and as such the Seals and the Trumpets are past history and we are now in the period of the 6th Vial, near to the return of Jesus Christ and the Battle of Armageddon. Matthew 24 and Luke 21 were mainly fulfilled in the events of AD70.

Kind regards
Trevor
Hello Trevor,

Okay.

Regards,
Matthew
 

Spiritual Israelite

Well-Known Member
Apr 13, 2022
17,922
7,206
113
Midwest
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Gender
Male
2. Amillennialism
Summary:
The “millennium” is symbolic of the current church age.

Key Features:

  • Christ reigns spiritually from heaven now.
  • Satan is “bound” in the sense of being unable to stop the gospel.
  • OT promises are fulfilled in Christ and the Church.
  • No future earthly kingdom; next major event is the final judgment.
  • Revelation is symbolic, not chronological.
Debate Questions:

  • Does this view spiritualize too much?
Some Amillennialists do and some don't, in my opinion. Not all Amils see everything the same, just as is the case for the other views you listed. So, making general statements about each view can be misleading sometimes.

  • How does it account for AD 70?
Not sure what this means exactly, but I personally believe that Daniel 9:26-27, Matthew 24:1-2,15-22 (Mark 13:1-2,14-20, Luke 21:6-7,20-24) relate to 70 AD. I do not believe that the book of Revelation has anything to do with 70 AD, but rather has to do with the time period between the first and second coming of Christ while presenting His second coming for various angles. I see Revelation as not being all chronological, but rather having several parallel sections or recapitulations in the book that cover the time between the first and future second coming of Christ.

It probably should be noted that some partial preterists are also amillennialists, but I am definitely not a partial preterist.

  • Is Satan really “bound” in any meaningful sense today?
This question requires a discussion of another question regarding whether we are in Satan's little season today or not. I personally think that we are. So, I would not say that Satan is necessarily bound today, but what should be discussed is what does or did Satan's binding entail exactly and how can Satan's little season be identified? I believe passages like Hebrews 2:14-15, Matthew 12:28-29, Ephesians 2:11-13 and other passages answer the question about Satan's binding.

5. Covenant‑Preterist / Kingdom‑Now (My View)
Summary:
Prophecy is fulfilled in Christ and the New Covenant; AD 70 marks the end of the Old Covenant age, but not the end of history. The kingdom is present, spiritual, and eternal — not geopolitical.

Key Features:

  • Jesus’ kingdom is “not of this world” (John 18:36).
  • AD 70 is the covenantal transition, not the end of the world.
I have a fairly serious problem with your claim that AD 70 marks the end of the so-called Old Covenant age and that it "is the covenental transition". I strongly disagree with that. The sacrifice and shed blood of Jesus Christ is what made the old covenant obsolete and ushered in the new covenant, not what happened in AD 70. Hebrews 8 to 10 is very clear about this.
 

MatthewG

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2021
19,508
5,934
113
35
Alabama
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Some Amillennialists do and some don't, in my opinion. Not all Amils see everything the same, just as is the case for the other views you listed. So, making general statements about each view can be misleading sometimes.


Not sure what this means exactly, but I personally believe that Daniel 9:26-27, Matthew 24:1-2,15-22 (Mark 13:1-2,14-20, Luke 21:6-7,20-24) relate to 70 AD. I do not believe that the book of Revelation has anything to do with 70 AD, but rather has to do with the time period between the first and second coming of Christ while presenting His second coming for various angles. I see Revelation as not being all chronological, but rather having several parallel sections or recapitulations in the book that cover the time between the first and future second coming of Christ.

It probably should be noted that some partial preterists are also amillennialists, but I am definitely not a partial preterist.


This question requires a discussion of another question regarding whether we are in Satan's little season today or not. I personally think that we are. So, I would not say that Satan is necessarily bound today, but what should be discussed is what does or did Satan's binding entail exactly and how can Satan's little season be identified? I believe passages like Hebrews 2:14-15, Matthew 12:28-29, Ephesians 2:11-13 and other passages answer the question about Satan's binding.


I have a fairly serious problem with your claim that AD 70 marks the end of the so-called Old Covenant age and that it "is the covenental transition". I strongly disagree with that. The sacrifice and shed blood of Jesus Christ is what made the old covenant obsolete and ushered in the new covenant, not what happened in AD 70. Hebrews 8 to 10 is very clear about this.
Hello Spiritual Israelite,

Okay. I understand. When I suggest what I believe concerning Jesus return it should be the closing of the Mosaic Age probably but the mosaic age concerned the Law. And to me all that was totally destroyed when Jesus returned. I hope that clears that up for you.

I believe that when Yeshua fulfilled what was promised to those people of that time, and the wrath of God came upon Israel - this was the transition to the fullness of which I believe all people are able to get to God now no matter where they are at, if they so choose faith and to look to God above themselves despite whatever culture they are from. (Revelation 11:15)

Yes many people are mixed with many different views.

I’m not here to argue about them.

Thank you for sharing and commenting some of your concerns

Regards Matthew
 
Last edited:

Spiritual Israelite

Well-Known Member
Apr 13, 2022
17,922
7,206
113
Midwest
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Hello Spiritual Israelite,

Okay. I understand. When I suggest what I believe concerning Jesus return it should be the closing of the Mosaic Age probably but the mosaic age concerned the Law. And to me all that was totally destroyed when Jesus returned. I hope that clears that up for you.
Not really. I don't see anywhere in scripture that speaks of "the Mosaic Age". In terms of the old covenant, it was made obsolete by the blood of Christ which at the same time ushered in the new covenant. This isn't even up for debate as far as I'm concerned. The Jews foolishly kept themselves under the curse of the old covenant law of Moses and God punished them for that by destroying many of them, their city and their temple. But, that doesn't mean a so-called "Mosaic Age" was still in effect. An age should not be defined by what foolish people are doing. The dividing line of the old and new covenants was the death of Christ, not the destruction of Jerusalem.

I believe that when Yeshua fulfilled what was promised to those people of that time, and the wrath of God came upon Israel - this was the transition to the fullness of which I believe all people are able to get to God now no matter where they are at, if they so choose faith and to look to God above themselves despite whatever culture they are from. (Revelation 11:15)
That was already in place well before 70 AD.

Yes many people are mixed with many different views.

I’m not here to argue about them.
You said this thread was intended to be for debate. Respectful debate, but debate nonetheless. Did you not?

Thank you for sharing and commenting some of your concerns
You're welcome.
 

MatthewG

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2021
19,508
5,934
113
35
Alabama
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Just sharing information if anything; this isn’t in the debate threads anyway.

I’m uninterested in back and forth with people who already made up there minds and have no questions.

Mary fox had a question I answered his.
I just hope my information would solve some of your own personal issues but if not it’s okay SI.
Trevor shared something too with his continued histrionic view.

I really hate using like button but thank you all for sharing,

I’m happy with this just being allowed on the forum.
 

Randy Kluth

Well-Known Member
Apr 27, 2020
8,810
2,743
113
Pacific NW
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Gender
Male

1. Premillennialism

Summary: Christ returns before a literal 1,000‑year earthly kingdom.

Key Features:

  • Revelation 20 is taken literally.
  • Israel and the Church are distinct (in dispensationalism).
  • Prophecies in Daniel, Revelation, Matthew 24 are mostly future.
  • Jesus will rule physically from Jerusalem.
  • Evil is not yet bound; Satan’s binding is future.
Debate Questions:

  • Does John 18:36 rule out a future earthly kingdom?
John 18.36 36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

Christ's Kingdom is in Heaven, but can also be temporally on the earth through the Davidic Kingdom in the OT or through Christian Kingdoms in the NT. Even when it is on the earth it is distinct from worldly kingdoms inasmuch as it is ruled from Heaven.
  • Should OT prophecies be fulfilled literally or spiritually?
Literally unless the context requires a symbolic interpretation, eg the vision of Ezekiel's Temple in Eze 40-48.
  • How do we handle Jesus’ time statements (“this generation”)?
Jesus' literal generation saw the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

2. Amillennialism

Summary: The “millennium” is symbolic of the current church age.

Key Features:

  • Christ reigns spiritually from heaven now.
  • Satan is “bound” in the sense of being unable to stop the gospel.
  • OT promises are fulfilled in Christ and the Church.
  • No future earthly kingdom; next major event is the final judgment.
  • Revelation is symbolic, not chronological.
Debate Questions:

  • Does this view spiritualize too much?
Yes.
  • How does it account for AD 70?
70 AD is the end of the Temple worship, indicating the Law of Moses had passed.
  • Is Satan really “bound” in any meaningful sense today?
Satan's condemnation of the Saints via the Law of Moses has been defeated. Christ bypasses the testimony of the Law with his verbal forgiveness of the Saints. The ultimate defeat and removal of Satan from earthly kingdoms takes place at the 2nd Coming of Christ. That is when Satan is "bound," as opposed to the exorcism of demons on earth.

3. Futurism

Summary: Most prophecy — Antichrist, Great Tribulation, Mark of the Beast — is still future.

Key Features:

  • Matthew 24, Revelation 4–22, 2 Thess 2 describe future global events.
  • The Great Tribulation is unprecedented and has not yet occurred.
  • A future world leader (Antichrist) will arise.
  • Cosmic signs are literal, not symbolic.
  • The world will enter a final crisis before Christ returns.
Debate Questions:

  • Do the time statements (“soon,” “near,” “this generation”) allow this?
"Soon" is a relative term, indicating that since Christ has already come in his earthly ministry, the world is in its "cleanup" phase. The cross made the victory inevitable. And the NT age is in a constant state of preparation for the coming of Christ's Kingdom.

"This generation" referred to the judgment against Jerusalem in 70 AD which was to lead to an international dispersion of the Jewish People, the Jewish Diaspora. That is not yet complete.
  • Has history ever seen anything matching Revelation’s scale?
No, judgment has taken place against all ungodly kingdoms. But the Revelation speaks of the complete eclipse of these kingdoms by the Kingdom of God.
  • Is apocalyptic language literal or symbolic?
It can be either literal or symbolic, depending on the context.

4. Preterism (Partial or Full)

Summary: Most or all prophecy was fulfilled in AD 70 with the fall of Jerusalem.

Key Features:

  • “This generation” refers to the first century.
  • Revelation’s “soon,” “near,” and “at hand” are taken literally.
  • Apocalyptic language is covenantal, not astronomical.
  • Christ’s “coming” in many texts refers to judgment, not bodily return.
  • Partial preterists affirm a future resurrection; full preterists do not.
Debate Questions:

  • Does AD 70 fulfill all of Matthew 24?
No. The Jewish Diaspora is predicted aka the Great Tribulation.
  • Is the “coming” of Christ in AD 70 the same as the Second Coming?
No, Jesus comes in judgment in a sense throughout the present age. But his 2nd Coming is the grand finale.
  • Does full preterism undermine the future hope of the church?
Don't know.

5. Covenant‑Preterist / Kingdom‑Now (My View)

Summary: Prophecy is fulfilled in Christ and the New Covenant; AD 70 marks the end of the Old Covenant age, but not the end of history. The kingdom is present, spiritual, and eternal — not geopolitical.

Key Features:

  • Jesus’ kingdom is “not of this world” (John 18:36).
  • AD 70 is the covenantal transition, not the end of the world.
  • Time statements are honored without collapsing everything into AD 70.
  • The resurrection and final judgment remain future.
  • Apocalyptic language is symbolic and covenantal.
  • Rejects both futurist timelines and full preterist extremes.
Debate Questions:

  • Does this view best harmonize time statements with future hope?
No.
  • Does it avoid the literalism of futurism and the overreach of full preterism?
No.
  • How does it interpret OT kingdom prophecies?
With no sense of a future Kingdom.

Thread Purpose

Use this thread to debate:

  • Which view best fits Scripture?
  • How should we interpret prophetic language?
  • What is the nature of Christ’s kingdom?
  • What happened in AD 70?
  • What remains future?
All positions are welcome — just keep it respectful and grounded in Scripture.
I'm Premil and interpret Israel's restoration literally. I include with Israel's future Christianization the restored Christianity of current Christian nations. The nature of Christ's Kingdom is the defanging of the Devil on earth until Abraham's promises are fulfilled, which includes Israel and many nations of faith. In 70 AD the Jewish system finished collapsing leading to an age-long Diaspora, along with the spread of the Gospel throughout the Roman Empire and beyond. What is future is the 3.5 years of Antichristian rule, to be followed by a mobilization of Eastern armies to Armageddon. Then Christ comes to establish his heavenly Kingdom on earth in a way that Satan can no longer destroy it or defeat it.
 

MatthewG

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2021
19,508
5,934
113
35
Alabama
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Gender
Male
John 18.36 36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

Christ's Kingdom is in Heaven, but can also be temporally on the earth through the Davidic Kingdom in the OT or through Christian Kingdoms in the NT. Even when it is on the earth it is distinct from worldly kingdoms inasmuch as it is ruled from Heaven.

Literally unless the context requires a symbolic interpretation, eg the vision of Ezekiel's Temple in Eze 40-48.

Jesus' literal generation saw the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

Yes.

70 AD is the end of the Temple worship, indicating the Law of Moses had passed.

Satan's condemnation of the Saints via the Law of Moses has been defeated. Christ bypasses the testimony of the Law with his verbal forgiveness of the Saints. The ultimate defeat and removal of Satan from earthly kingdoms takes place at the 2nd Coming of Christ. That is when Satan is "bound," as opposed to the exorcism of demons on earth.

"Soon" is a relative term, indicating that since Christ has already come in his earthly ministry, the world is in its "cleanup" phase. The cross made the victory inevitable. And the NT age is in a constant state of preparation for the coming of Christ's Kingdom.

"This generation" referred to the judgment against Jerusalem in 70 AD which was to lead to an international dispersion of the Jewish People, the Jewish Diaspora. That is not yet complete.

No, judgment has taken place against all ungodly kingdoms. But the Revelation speaks of the complete eclipse of these kingdoms by the Kingdom of God.

It can be either literal or symbolic, depending on the context.

No. The Jewish Diaspora is predicted aka the Great Tribulation.

No, Jesus comes in judgment in a sense throughout the present age. But his 2nd Coming is the grand finale.

Don't know.

No.

No.

With no sense of a future Kingdom.

I'm Premil and interpret Israel's restoration literally. I include with Israel's future Christianization the restored Christianity of current Christian nations. The nature of Christ's Kingdom is the defanging of the Devil on earth until Abraham's promises are fulfilled, which includes Israel and many nations of faith. In 70 AD the Jewish system finished collapsing leading to an age-long Diaspora, along with the spread of the Gospel throughout the Roman Empire and beyond. What is future is the 3.5 years of Antichristian rule, to be followed by a mobilization of Eastern armies to Armageddon. Then Christ comes to establish his heavenly Kingdom on earth in a way that Satan can no longer destroy it or defeat it.

Randy, thank you for participating and sharing your view. I appreciate you taking the time to lay out your perspective and how you understand these passages. Even though we may see some things differently, I respect that you are speaking from conviction.

Thank you again for adding your perspective.
 

Spiritual Israelite

Well-Known Member
Apr 13, 2022
17,922
7,206
113
Midwest
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Gender
Male
This is your answer to the question of whether Amillennialism spiritualizes too much. Now, first of all, not all Amills interpret everything the same. So, I actually do think a minority of Amills do spiritualize too much scripture. However, Amills like me do not and I will show why I say that.

Revelation 20 talks about the reign of Christ. Scripture explicitly teaches that Christ began to reign after His resurrection.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Revelation 20:6 says that those who reign with Christ are "priests of God and of Christ". Scripture teaches that Christ's followers are priests right now.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Scripture teaches that all believers will have their bodies changed to be immortal while inheriting eternal life in the kingdom of God when Christ returns at the last trumpet (1 Corinthians 15:50-54, Matthew 25:31-46).

And it teaches that all unbelievers will be destroyed when He returns which would not allow for any mortals to populate the earth at that point, as the following scriptures indicate.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

2 Peter 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men....10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

2 Thessalonians 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Scripture also teaches that the saved and lost will be resurrected at generally the same time or hour and then judged.

John 5:28 “Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.

Daniel 12:1 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Scripture teaches that all people will be judged at the same time and not that there will be multiple judgments as Premills believe.

Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world....41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Matthew 13:40 As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

Matthew 13:47 “Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. 48 When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. 49 This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50 and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

All of these clear, straightforward scriptures I have referenced support Amillennialism. Some Premills like you try to accuse Amills of over-spiritualizing scripture, but, as I've shown, the foundation of Amillennialism is clear, straightforward scriptures which are used to help interpret more difficult passages. I believe that premillennialism has no such clear, straightforward scriptures to support it.
 

Davy

Well-Known Member
Feb 11, 2018
16,131
3,428
113
Southeastern U.S.
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Gender
Male
The baloney of the OP is about worth as much as bathroom tissue, its assumptions of those doctrines being so inaccurate.