End times time frames by chapter and fit

[Behold]

The only "end times"........ theology that matters to a Christian is this one.

The Born again are in the "time of the Gentiles".....that started with the Cross of Christ, and will end... which begins the Tribulation.

The "time of the Gentiles" does not continue into the Tribulation........as that would be the Body of Christ, going into the Trib, and the Trib is not for the Gentiles.......its God resuming His dealing with the JEW.......that was paused, as the "time of the Gentiles".

 

[Douggg]

The only "end times"........ theology that matters to a Christian is this one.

The Born again are in the "time of the Gentiles".....that started with the Cross of Christ, and will end... which begins the Tribulation.

The "time of the Gentiles" does not continue into the Tribulation........as that would be the Body of Christ, going into the Trib, and the Trib is not for the Gentiles.......its God resuming His dealing with the JEW.......that was paused, as the "time of the Gentiles".

 

[Behold]

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If im understanding your chart..........its teaching that the Church (Body of Christ)...actually started with the birth of Christ.
So, that is not true.
The Chruch Started with the Sacrifice of Christ.........which is The Cross of Christ.
The Church literally started with the Blood Atonement being offered.

 

[Douggg]

If im understanding your chart..........its teaching that the Church (Body of Christ)...actually started with the birth of Christ.

No, my chart is not teaching that the church began with the birth of Jesus. I don't show the church on the chart.

The Chruch Started with the Sacrifice of Christ.........which is The Cross of Christ.
The Church literally started with the Blood Atonement being offered.

The church began in Luke 24:44-48 when Jesus appeared to the disciples after His resurrection.

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

50 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them.

51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.

52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy :

53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.

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rejoice in your salvation

 

[Behold]

No, my chart is not teaching that the church began with the birth of Jesus. I don't show the church on the chart.

The church began in Luke 24:44-48 when Jesus appeared to the disciples after His resurrection.

Actually, you need to use this verse, as its the correct "beginning of the body of Christ".

John 20:22

Let me show you why.

There is no such thing as a Christian, unless they are forgiven their sin, and are indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
So, as the Holy Spirit was not given to this EARTH.......until Pentecost.....(after Jesus is back in Heaven).....then that is when all non-apostles could be born again,... but not before.

Whereas.......previous to day of Pentecost, you read in John 20:22 that Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to the 11 apostles.
So There is the beginning of the Body of Christ.......as the verse teeaches that "They who have not the Spirit of God in them, are none of Gods".. and so, only the 11 Had the Holy Spirit.....(John 20:22)........until the Day of Pentecost, that came later.... when Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to this earth.

 

[Douggg]

Actually, you need to use this verse, as its the correct "beginning of the body of Christ".

John 20:22

Let me show you why.

There is no such thing as a Christian, unless they are forgiven their sin, and are indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
So, as the Holy Spirit was not given to this EARTH.......until Pentecost.....(after Jesus is back in Heaven).....then that is when all non-apostles could be born again,... but not before.

Whereas.......previous to day of Pentecost, you read in John 20:22 that Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to the 11 apostles.
So There is the beginning of the Body of Christ.......as the verse teeaches that "They who have not the Spirit of God in them, are none of Gods".. and so, only the 11 Had the Holy Spirit.....(John 20:22)........until the Day of Pentecost, that came later.... when Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to this earth.

The disciples were the first born again Christians, as the church begin with them, in Luke 21:44-48.

 

[Behold]

The disciples were the first born again Christians, as the church begin with them, in Luke 21:44-48.

So, as i told you.

There is no such thing as a Chnstian until The Cross of Christ is availble to forgives sin, and the Holy Spirit is given.

John 20:22

 

[Douggg]

So, as i told you.

There is no such thing as a Chnstian until The Cross of Christ is availble to forgives sin, and the Holy Spirit is given.

John 20:22

So who are you claiming is the first Christian ?

 

[ewq1938]

The great tribulation begins when the abomination of desolation is set up on the temple mount.

No, it starts before that when the world is governed by one kingdom/government often called the NWO or OWO. It is after that the AoD will be set up.

 

[Douggg]

No, it starts before that when the world is governed by one kingdom/government often called the NWO or OWO. It is after that the AoD will be set up.

That is not what Jesus said in Matthew 24:15-21.

 

[ewq1938]

That is not what Jesus said in Matthew 24:15-21.

And Jesus never said seeing the AoD was the start of the trib. Obviously the AoD would be there before being seen publicly so that alone proves seeing the AoD was not the actual start. The start is found in Rev 13.

 

[Douggg]

And Jesus never said seeing the AoD was the start of the trib. Obviously the AoD would be there before being seen publicly so that alone proves seeing the AoD was not the actual start. The start is found in Rev 13.

Where are you coming up with that ? What bible text ?

 

[ewq1938]

Where are you coming up with that ? What bible text ?

The text we are discussing.

 

[Douggg]

The text we are discussing.

No, the text does not say that the AoD would be setup and not viewable by the public.

In Matthew 24:15-21, Jesus said that the great tribulation would start when the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet would be standing in the holy place.

 

[ewq1938]

No, the text does not say that the AoD would be setup and not viewable by the public.

In Matthew 24:15-21, Jesus said that the great tribulation would start when the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet would be standing in the holy place.

The trib starts before that, when the world is ruled by a single kingdom/empire. The AoD happens soon after but it isn't the first thing to happen.

 

[Douggg]

The trib starts before that, when the world is ruled by a single kingdom/empire. The AoD happens soon after but it isn't the first thing to happen.

That is not what Jesus said in Matthew 24:15-21.

 

[ewq1938]

That is not what Jesus said in Matthew 24:15-21.

Jesus doesn't say what you are implying. Seeing the AoD was the sign for people to leave. The AoD existed before being seen like that. Clearly the NWO must rule before the AoD can even stand in that forbidden place.

 

[Douggg]

Jesus doesn't say what you are implying. Seeing the AoD was the sign for people to leave. The AoD existed before being seen like that. Clearly the NWO must rule before the AoD can even stand in that forbidden place.

You must be reading conspiracy books like that of Pat Robinson who wrote a book titled The New World Order.

Jesus did not say anything about a New World Order in Matthew 24:15-21.

 

[ewq1938]

You must be reading conspiracy books like that of Pat Robinson who wrote a book titled The New World Order.

Jesus did not say anything about a New World Order in Matthew 24:15-21.

You are using a logical fallacy called an argument from silence. Fallacies are invalid arguments.

 

[Davy]

That is not what Jesus said in Matthew 24:15 that begins the great tribulation.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Two different objects of the SAME TOPIC.

The Rev.9 loosing of the four angels bound at the river Euphrates is about it representing a SYMBOLIC BORDER between God's people and Satan and his host. Can you not understand that?