Entire Sanctification = "In Christ"

[Behold]

Grace, God's GRACE : is to be made free from the law of sin and death, because Christ has provided the eternal means for a person to no longer be under the Law's dominion = which removes the curse of the law and the power of sin, which is the Law.

To have this, is to be BORN AGAIN.... This is "the gift of Salvation" and "the Gift of Righteousness"..... This is to be made righteous, by GOD, because "faith is counted as Righteousness".
When you are born again, you are "no longer under the Law but UNDER GRACE"...

What LAW exists "under Grace"?

The Law of Righteousness.

Here is a mystery..

The born again, are in a body, on the earth, yet they exit,""" In CHRIST< "one With God" seated in heavenly Places"""

See that Position?
That is YOU, if you are born again.....>"having been Translated, from Darkness, TO LIGHT".

This "Light", is the Kingdom of God. You are IN IT< if you are born again, and because there is no "law and commandments", there, is why you are "not under the Law, but Under Grace"

 

[amigo de christo]

Is this what you think I'm doing?

Hm.

Much love!

Not really . But i aint all knowing either mark .

 

[amigo de christo]

Temptation is based on Lust.
The Law empowers your Lust., because the Law is a spiritual dominion, that has POWER over a person's (desires = behavior, to incite them to do their: LUST.

The CURSE of the law, is = that the more you try to do RIGHT, the more the Law empowers your SIN nature...which is your lust to sin again and again.
See that Curse?
Thats a curse.
= "that which i would do, i cant do, and that which i hate, that i do".
See that?
That is the power of the law.....as : "the power of SIN is the Law".

Now imagine how confused and frustrated a believer remains, when they are told by their CULT that the are supposed to keep the law, and then, by doing this, the "law is the power of sin".
This forever ruins their walk of Faith, and turns them into a habitual sinning, confessing, repenting, discipleship failure.

Final Solution? : "Christ has redeemed the born again from : the CURSE of the LAW"
Jesus became THAT CURSE for us, on the Cross so that we can free from it, always.
Christ's blood sacrifice and death, has created a NEW Spiritual law (new Covenant) that removes the law's dominion from you, because "you are no longer under the Law but UNDER GRACE".
"Christ has redeemed the born again from the CURSE...OF....THE....LAW".

This is : SALVATiON, as BORN AGAIN.

So the very law that GOD himself gave to moses GIVES power to our flesh .
You might actually want to read all that paul is saying .
The law simply makes SIN Known . It calls a spade a spade .
By the law can no flesh be justified . For by the law cometh the knoweldge of sin .
IN other words , WE ALL HAVE SINNED . Read the law and see . We ALL have fallen far short of the glory of GOD .
But the law itself DONT MAKE US SIN . It dont GIVE US POWER to SIN . We already have that problem in our flesh .
The law simply makes us to know what IS SIN . The law is and was not the problem ,.
Beautiful it is . The problem was not in the law , the fault was not in the law .
BUT IN MAN . WHEN GOD sought for the new covenant , HE DIDNT DO IT cause HIS LAW was faulty
FOR FINDING FAULT WITH THEM , . WITH THEM . not the law , but with THEM .
HE said the days cometh when i will make A NEW COVENANT . That by the POWER of CHRIST
we could walk pleasing unto GOD as HE DESIRED . GOD always desired our obediance .
The law itself was added for ONE REASON . Because of trangressions .
Till the TIME came that GOD had predetermined . The law is holy , pure and beautiful .
It speaks of the righteousness of GOD . But man cannot be justified by the law .
FOR ALL have sinned . The blood of bulls and of goats could cleanse them outwardly
but could not reach to the inner conscious . THE BLOOD OF CHRIST CAN .
Making a new creature . Wherein no dark rainbow nor sins would be loved , but rather a new heart that loveth
the things of GOD . If the old man liveth , SOMETHING IS DEAD WRONG .
IF a lamb still honors his old sins , if a lamb still honors SIN , IT AINT NO LAMB pard .
YE shall know them by their fruits . And when lambs err , THEY REPENT , for the SPIRIT IS ALWAYS with the lambs .
Always it does watch over and guide the lambs . When even a wicked thought that arises from the flesh
does enter into the mind of a lamb , IT AINT REJOCING AND JUSTIFYING , ITS GRIEVED and hates the evil of its flesh .
ME THINKS ITS TIME FOR FOLKS TO EXAMINE THEMSELVES . OPEN BIBLES and really LEARN JESUS .

 

[amigo de christo]

Paul wrote to forgive the man who had sex with his mother in law…



People are honestly so strick that if they commit one sin they will go to hell…


And i havent told anyone to go rape, murder, steal which will bring about good….


Still going on about something three days ago is damned ignorant @amigo de christo.,,,

after HE had that man REMOVED , purged from the body . Yeah dont forget the first part .
HE had that man REMOVED OUT OF THE CHURCH . TILL REPENTANCE HAD BEEN MADE .
THEN bring them back into the church . The song is the least of my worries concerning SOME On here
who actually preach CONTRARY to the very gospel of CHRIST . preaching ungodly things which ought never once
have been taught . My greatest fear for you mathew IS NOT THAT SONG . Not even close .
But i did see the song and figured i would try and correct you on that as well .
But it fell on deaf ears . Just as the other warnings have too .
If one does not murder , yet commits adultery , HE STILL SINS mathew .
SURE you have no told anyone to rape etc , but you did send a song that has no place within the christian realm .
Lust is still lust .

 

[Behold]

So the very law that GOD himself gave to moses GIVES power to our flesh .
You might actually want to read all that paul is saying .
The law simply makes SIN Known . It calls a spade a spade .

The knowledge of the Law empowers your sin.

"the Law is the POWER of sin".

"the STRENGTH of SIN.....is the law".........

1 Corinthians 15:56



However, Christ has given us victory over this power of sin. this LAW.

How?

A.) "Christ is the END .. .OF....THE. LAW.....for Righteousness, to everyone who Believes" (Born again"

We, the born again, are "not under the Law". "but UNDER GRACE"

Here is what you'll notice..
When people are law and works and water and commandment keeping, obsessed, = they "sin and confess" a lot, and talk about SIN a lot.

When you are "walking in the Spirit", which is to have the correct understanding of the Grace of God as your REAL FAITH... then you "wont fulfill the lusts of the flesh".
When you dont "fulfill the lusts of the flesh" then you are not going to be "confessing and repenting".

So, Law-keeping obsession, leads to Lusts of the Flesh, because the Law is not given to empower you to be good.
Its given to show you that "all have SINNED", and you need to Go to the Cross and find DELIVERANCE from Sin, Law, Self, and the World and the Devil.

The LAW, delivers you INTO sin, and the Cross of Christ delivers you FROM YOUR SIN.

" NOW.... BEING.....made FREE from Sin"""

Romans 6:22

Reader, when you are listening to someone talk about sin, and Law, and there is no CROSS anywhere, then you are listening to a person who has a sin issue.
That's why they can't stop talking about it.

 

[MatthewG]

Everyone sins @amigo de christo. Just Christians dont believe in sinning like there is no tomorrow. They have renewed mind, by the spirit but they still fall short. Its their faith that God is pleased, snd the love they share makes them christian.

I love you, snd hope you understand.

 

[amigo de christo]

The knowledge of the Law empowers your sin.

"the Law is the POWER of sin".

"the STRENGTH of SIN.....is the law".........

1 Corinthians 15:56-58



However, Christ has given us victory over this power of sin. this LAW.

How?

A.) "Christ is the END .. .OF....THE. LAW.....for Righteousness, to everyone who Believes" (Born again"

We, the born again, are "not under the Law". "but UNDER GRACE"

Here is what you'll notice..
When people are law and works and water and commandment keeping, obsessed, = they "sin and confess" a lot, and talk about SIN a lot.

When you are "walking in the Spirit", which is to have the correct understanding of the Grace of God as your REAL FAITH... then you "wont fulfill the lusts of the flesh".
When you dont "fulfill the lusts of the flesh" then you are not going to be "confessing and repenting".

So, Law-keeping obsession, leads to Lusts of the Flesh, because the Law is not given to empower you to be good.
Its given to show you that "all have SINNED", and you need to Go to the Cross and find DELIVERANCE from Sin, Law, Self, and the World and the Devil.

The LAW, delivers you INTO sin, and the Cross of Christ delivers you FROM YOUR SIN.

" NOW.... BEING.....made FREE from Sin"""

Romans 6:22

Reader, when you are listening to someone talk about sin, and Law, and there is no CROSS anywhere, then you are listening to a person who has a sin issue.
That's why they can't stop talking about it.

God gave the law . He aint the one that delivers us into sin . You are confusing GOD with the serpent .
ITS THE SERPENT who does that . You had a lot of other stuff right though .
Being made free from ..............THE POWER OF SIN . the POWER of SIN . from SIN .
Ps , be on gaurd because a lot of folks can spout some truths
and yet rather odd they seem to follow the flesh and yet holler I AM FREE .
And ps there are many who walk in sin daily . THEY aint been set free at all . Rather they just feel FREE in SIN .
A new creature cannot have peace in sin . YET MANY SEEM TO HAVE PEACE and see nothing wrong with their sin .
THAT IS THE PROBLEM .
I see folks in churches all the time , holding up rainbow flags , hollering GOD is love
and listening to sermons about GET THAT MONEY MONEY
I see folks celebrating ungodly things , doing destiny cards and all sorts of wican pratices .
WHERE IS THE PROOF of conversion IN THAT STUFF . The old man liveth and reigneth in many lives .
They embrace not only their own sins but the sins of others . They want no correction , no reminder of what sins they are in .
JUST a reminder that ALL IS WELL , DADDY GOD IS LOVE , YE ARE FINE . WHERE IS THE PROOF OF THE LOVE OF GOD
of the FRUIT of the SPIRIT in that hogmess . Exactly . THEY want to FEEL saved , FEEL GOOD
but forget about doing good .

 

[amigo de christo]

Everyone sins @amigo de christo. Just Christians dont believe in sinning like there is no tomorrow. They have renewed mind, by the spirit but they still fall short. Its their faith that God is pleased, snd the love they share makes them christian.

I love you, snd hope you understand.

That I DO UNDERSTAND . But when or if we see error in another , we ought to correct one another . DONT FORGET that part either

 

[Randy Kluth]

Well said-what Bible translation was that?

NIV--I don't get very far into KJV arguments. The more manuscripts we have, and the earlier, the better. Most all of the versions say the same things. I do not find newer versions attempting to weaken the Scriptures.

 

[Randy Kluth]

I am very sorry,but, I see no boasting from Behold, in fact I see the complete opposite.

You see boasting, no problems......I don’t see any boasting whatsoever....so we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

No, it's not a matter of disagreeing on a n interpretation, or even whether or not something Behold said can be considered to be "boasting." He flat out boasted that he puts out more posts on these forums than anybody else or anybody will, in the future. That, clearly, is "boasting!"

And he insinuates that he is adept at all the things typically associated with Christian living, when we were told by Jesus not to let the one hand know what the other is doing. He postures as teaching Salvation by Faith alone, and at the same time denies that our will has anything to do with choosing to follow Jesus. If you want to disagree on that, fine.

If you don't agree that what Behold says here is "boasting," or that it is rude and divisive among Christians, then I guess we don't speak the same language. Here is exactly what he said to a good and respectful brother:

"C'mon.
Im OUTWORKING trying to get you to get your Faith right.
i'm here for YOU, sillyperson.
WAKE UP. !!
The reason im here is my DISCIPLESHIP. !
The reason im having more patience with you is my "outworking".
The reason i have more Threads Posted here then any other member who ever will......, is = BEHOLD's "outworking".
The reason i spend so much time trying to get forum members to understand their Salvation, is "Outworking".
But here is the thing..... Johann.
If i was not here, if i never taught another student, if i never read the bible again, if i never got down on my knees later today to Pray...., if i never again gave money to the poor,..... if i never again sent free bibles to people,..... if i never again led worship or talked to a group or prayed for the sick..... or any of these WORKS WORKS WORKS.....works works works...."

If you want to sign onto that kind of spirit, it's your choice. Sadly, what I've found is that people who boast and cut other Christians down like this do so to elevate themselves to obtain followers like you. They wish to build up their own kingdom, and not the Kingdom of God.

 

[Behold]

God gave the law . He aint the one that delivers us into sin .

Where is the Moses LAW that can give you Righteousness"?
There are 613 of them.

Pick a few.

So, Are you made Righteousness by keeping the Law, or does the Law define you as a sinner?

So, God isn't confused about the "power of sin is the Law ".

Christ is not confused About ...>"Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE OF THE LAW".
Because.......Christ has "redeemed the born again, from the Curse of the Law".

The reason the law is a CURSE, is because it defines you, as a SINNER.
That is a CURSE.
The reason people confess sin, is because the Commandments and the l;aw, told you that you just SINNED.

The Cross of Christ redefines you, as a BORN AGAIN....= New Creation.

The Law is Made for Sinners, not for Saints.

Salvation, is VICTORY over the "law of sin and death"., which is = "the power of sin, is the Law".


The 10 Commandments are a behavioral boundary. We stay in the lines, we dont step outside them.
But that does not save us.

Christ's commandments are the heart of our discipleship, and our worship, and our "presenting our body a living sacrifice"< but none of this saves you.

Because :

= Only JESUS Saves.

 

[Johann]

NIV--I don't get very far into KJV arguments. The more manuscripts we have, and the earlier, the better. Most all of the versions say the same things. I do not find newer versions attempting to weaken the Scriptures.

No problem brother-I am familiar with Koine Greek and will see if I can get a copy of the NIV.
Shalom to you and family.
Johann.

 

[MatthewG]

That I DO UNDERSTAND . But when or if we see error in another , we ought to correct one another . DONT FORGET that part either

Well im not someone who likes to be corrected. As i tend to know myself when it comes to the relationship had with my Maker, who is also your Maker.

Ill accept correction when it is needed but for the most part the truth is all of us sin, and not one us havent messed up, or will never mess up again.

There are sometimes God needs to correct a person. In their heart and mind, and we as people dont change people. It is knowing Christ and sharing Him, and the overall message that helps seeds grow, sir.

The Father in heaven is the one needed to be asked to help us by the flesh and overcome and die to sin, even though it comes back to life from time to time as our flesh fails us.

May you also be encouraged and remember too.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

“…Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.” (John 5:14)

Everyone sins

 

[Behold]

NIV--I don't get very far into KJV arguments. The more manuscripts we have, and the earlier, the better. Most all of the versions say the same things. I do not find newer versions attempting to weaken the Scriptures.

The NIV is one of the worst translation ever created.

So many "watered down" verses.. So much doctrinal deadening.
Verses taken out, omitted, important words omitted, related to Doctrine.

I'll give you 2.

First of all, The Deity of Christ, .... Now, lets say you are not a Christian.... And you find a NIV.
You read

"He was manifested in the Flesh".

So, who is that? Who is "he"? "He" is GOD, but the NIV, says "HE"....so that is taking a verse and muddying it, that is a very strong "Deity of Christ" Scripture., as "God was manifested in the Flesh". But in the NIV, "its a HE".

Here is another..

Let me explain..

You have a Spirit.
A Dog has a spirit.
The Devil has a Spirit.

Are all the same? Are all of these the Same?
They are not.

Now , The NIV.... says that "GOD is Spirit". IN John 4:24.

So, why is that a GROSS Error?

Its because, "God is A Spirit".......not just "spirit". See, God is : The HOLY SPIRIT..... and so the NIV makes no distinction between God's Spirit...... and the Spirit in the Devil or the Spirit in a Dog, or the Spirit in a unbeliever.

See that ?

"God is A Spirit".......Not...>"God is Spirit" as you find in the NIV....... as if God is Spirit, only, then He is no different than the un-holy Spirit, that is in the Devil

The NIV, makes no Distinction.
The NIV has so much error in it......its a really really bad Translation., and it will corrupt your faith.
That's a fact.

 

[Behold]

He flat out boasted that he puts out more posts on these forums

You lied again, Randy.

I said i post more THREADS, on this Forum, than anyone else ever will.

THREADS.

THREADS.

THREADS take work........ they take EFFORT to PRODUCE........... And that is what i was trying to get Johann to realize.

 

[Behold]

And he insinuates that he is adept at all the things typically associated with Christian living, when we were told by Jesus not to let the one hand know what the other is doing.

That is again, so very confused., and its certainly not a practical theology.

And what is worse, is that you left out part of the verse, and then twisted it into your bizarre theology.

The verse is talking about "giving to the Poor".

Where do you come from? What Cult created your nonsense, teaching.
Its awful.
Its unbiblical.

 

[Johann]

"God is A Spirit".......Not...>"God is Spirit" as you find in the NIV....... as if God is Spirit, only, then He is no different than the un-holy Spirit, that is in the Devil

God is a Spirit (pneuma ho theos). More precisely, “God is Spirit” as “God is Light” (1Jn_1:5), “God is Love” (1Jn_4:8). In neither case can we read Spirit is God, Light is God, Love is God. The non-corporeality of God is clearly stated and the personality of God also. All this is put in three words for the first time.

Just saying.

 

[Behold]

If you don't agree that what Behold says here is "boasting," or that it is rude and divisive among Christians,

So, if Paul's doctrine does not agree with yours, then when someone show you yours, that is "division".

That is very funny.

You're a comedian, and not just a broken Theology.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The NIV is one of the worst translation ever created.

The NIV would have the priests splashing the blood around like immature children:

Exodus 29:16 NIV - take the blood and splash it against the sides of the altar

Where as the KJV more appropriately uses the word sprinkle, which is much more reverent:

Exodus 29:16 KJV - take his blood, and sprinkle it round about upon the altar

But then the NIV uses sprinkled in the New Testament:

1 Peter 1:2 NIV - be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood

It amazes how people cannot see deficiencies like these in nearly every modern translation…