Yes, And I have based my view based on what you have said, and shown you why I believe it.
And have yet to see you show me how I got what you said wrong. You just keep giving more and more examples. which continue to strengthen my view.
Does not John answer this question?
Those who deny Jesus are called antichrists, and he is very specific, when he says these people. who at one time were part of the church and have left. WERE NEVER OF US, for if they were of us, THEY NEVER WOULD HAVE LEFT.
So if they never were of us, Were they ever justified?
The answer can ONLY be no
The problem with the summary above, is it is a summary of something that has not taken place.
Understanding is a fragile thing, it is taking an idea, walking through it and then checking two people agree the principles.
Now put it simply, we do not agree the principles. As best I can I put them simply, and too many to count say amen to my descriptions and emphasis, while you seem totally perplexed. I suggest therefore either these views or ideas pass you by or you actually choose to create the impression of not understanding a simple proposition.
But at least, praise the Lord, you do not know me, and I am not like you. So there is progress, no matter how small, I will take it, Amen.
The principle under discussion is a polarised perspective. Either we can walk like Jesus or we cannot.
If we cannot walk like Jesus, then if we are to become like Him, it must happen at some point in the future.
Now a sinner into a perfect saint could be at the resurrection, because after that there is no change, unless you have purgatory and praying for the dead etc.
Paul had the aspiration of the disciples who he taught, would be presented blameless and perfect to Christ at His return.
14 Do everything without complaining or arguing,
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so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe
16 as you hold out the word of life--in order
that I may boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor for nothing.
Phil 2:14-16
7 Therefore you do not lack any spiritual gift as you eagerly wait for our Lord Jesus Christ to be revealed.
8 He will keep you strong to the end, so that
you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 1:7-8
If Paul expects the disciples to be blameless and regards himself as holy and blameless, then these things are to be expected, now, today, in the whole church, among His people.
If one wants to claim, no this is not true, such a walk is impossible, it is just in Gods eyes they are blameless but they are still sinners, where is the scripture that says they become the true fulfilment of Christ, sinner to saint?
And if it is missing, is it not missing because it is taught today, in Christ we are cleansed, Holy, blameless and pure and we are expected to continue to walk in this until Christ returns.
3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.
Eph 5:3
This would be absurd if such standards or principles are not part of the people of God in the world, God's holy people.
Now if one can explain how God's holy people can be a wilfully sinning people who will be made into the perfect bride of Christ at the last moment, I am all ears, because it does not appear to be there, but maybe my bible is missing some books, somewhere....