I replied to @Candidus , confirming (and maybe expanding ) what he posted, as applies both on and off the internet.
Perhaps the opposite of sanctification, but the topic of his post.
entire sanctification is an obtainable goal.
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Perhaps the opposite of sanctification, but the topic of his post.
God may sanctify us in and by His Word , as He Pleases,
so it is correct to believe Him,
instead of rejecting His Word as the apostates and false religions do.
Here , elsewhere, everywhere, what does the Bible say about "most people" ?
God is not unclear at all about "most people".
Is God unclear to you ? (in what He says in His Word ? )
If not, why did you post that His Word (God's Word) is over generalization or a logical fallacy?
Why call God's Word, what God has revealed:
It is difficult to understand the questions and the posts of that one. The purpose and the motive has been either unknown or anti-Scripture , as far as observable, for a long time.
What?
I was replying to the content of a post, not to Scriptures.
If you want to look at a passage of Scripture, let's do that.
Did you really not understand what I was saying was an overgeneralization? That being your comments?
Why do you want to make it sound that I'm disputing with God when I'm disputing with you?
Why make it sound like I'm calling God's Word "nonsense", when I'm not??
Hi justbyfaith,
On this part in Hebrews, there is an important distinction to be made I think.
from Scripture4all.org
He has perfected for ever them that are "being sanctified", this is present tense, active voice, accusative case. This means that these being referred to, the ones being sanctified, this is happening now, and it is happening to us.
We are being sanctified now, and it is being done to us, not that we are doing it. So this passage doesn't actually show an arrival in this life to sanctification, rather, that it is ongoing.
Your thoughts?
Much love!
That's just it. As we remain in faith we remain in sanctification. But this is moment by moment.
Much love!
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True. We hate sin and it is the fear of God that we work to keep our bodies our slave instead of our master. As we become stronger at it, we are progressing in our sanctification. We inwardly groan that we can't be as perfect as we want to be in our hearts, but we don't give up, and through prayer we repeat our requests to God that He will give us more grace and strength to keep ourselves from hypocrisy.
The point is this is a logical fallacy, it's your perception of that thin slice of people whom you've judged to be thus, projected as if both you are correct, and that your view applies correctly across the board.
It's a way to deflect from reasoned discussion, into flights of fancy.
Overgeneralization as a logical fallacy means that it steers the discussion in a non-viable direction.
But I understand that this will not deter you. So no matter!
We come to learn trust in His keeping power, and moment by moment as we commit ourselves into His care, He keeps us free from sin, and causes us to walk in His works. His Spirit fills us, and when we release ourselves to the power of His Spirit, we live the abundant life Jesus promised. The fruits of the Spirit become our life experience, and sin is far from us.
When the tossing waves catch our eye, well, we fare no better than did Peter!
Much love!
No, "at this point" by claiming a "logical fallacy" into the discussion is merely dodging the facts. My experience has been with hundreds of people, and my wife's experience has been the same. 120 years of combined experience is admittedly a small slice of society, but it is undeniably and irrefutably... a slice.
One "logical fallacy" is the appeal to authority by some, that they have read a mere paltry 60 books, or are pursuing a Ph.D.; as if that amounts to anything in the way of an argument. Dismissing any contrary experience as a "flight of fancy" so you do not have to face it, is not an academic exercise even though you appeal to high-sounding psycho-babble.
Paul Christensen said: ↑
You have avoided a straight answer because you don't know of anyone who has achieved sinless perfection in this life. This is because no one has ever achieved it. Even John Wesley, who believed in and taught sinless perfection by faith, eventually saw that Entire Sanctification by Faith is an unworkable doctrine.
Who in this discussion is appealing to a "sin and win" theology?
You have avoided a straight answer because you don't know of anyone who has achieved sinless perfection in this life. This is because no one has ever achieved it. Even John Wesley, who believed in and taught sinless perfection by faith, eventually saw that Entire Sanctification by Faith is an unworkable doctrine.
Who in this discussion is appealing to a "sin and win" theology?
Maybe this will be better clarification:
Jde 1:24, Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
2Pe 1:10, Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
1Jo 2:10, He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
Rom 5:5, And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Col 3:14, And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
Heb 10:14, For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
NOTICE the difference ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Good.
This is a start to backing out of error, or recovering from error.
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