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We(Dan and I) got off topic.
I believe Christians can loose their reward of eternal life.
Dan believes in OSAS
I've been discussing this with Dan for too long.
I really should not be discussing this with Dan because he's set in his ways,
I need to find new prospects to teach the true gospel of Jesus Christ.
I hope others will learn what the Bible teaches by listening to our discussion/debate.
Unfortunately I don't believe I can help Dan.
To bring it back a little, on topic...
Well, I also noted and referenced the scripture you were using, 1 John1:1-10. You know it's not about initial salvation or one's present state in Christ at all. If and when directed to someone who is being saved today, by the Spirit, as it applies to them personally, it speaks to their sanctification or holiness in Christ and of God, walking in the light or darkness or somewhere in between. Now never be confused with the unbeliever, would does not know of righteous works or holiness as they walk always in the dark, even the pious, civically minded and honorable people.
For a believer, when first saved, we are given by the Spirit of God, holiness or sanctification, and the ability to perform righteous works that are pleasing to God. Although, many do not begin or always continue to experience this holiness, with righteous works they now possess.
The Spirit convicts them of real sin and they should then obey and confess it.
For many, It's like saying, well I'm a citizen of the Kingdom of God and with this citizenship I get holiness for righteous works of the spirit; isn't that great!. Now what? And then many stop there, some fumble and figure it out along the way, eventually, and some have a slow constant walk in the half light or 'half light to darkness as they are being saved. They are missing out of the Spirit-filled life with God in the Kingdom, that they forget, they are its citizens.
So, John is saying to 'experience' this benefit of holiness we must confess real specific personal sins in our life, not in general, as to all people, that keeps us from having a closer fellowship with God and even other believers. And in experiencing the Kingdom and its eternal glory. And the use of walking in the 'light' or 'darkness' is used to convey that in perfection we are always in the light, and that is impossible to do in our current state, and then in darkness at times, when harboring unconfessed sin.
Now to condemn someone they are not saved, or to be in a constant state of fear and in trembling, of losing it, by the very Spirit that God gave to someone intentionally, that because of some unconfessed sin, is really unforgiveable....and the use of this word is intentional.
This subject scripture, if used to condemn or to cast doubt on a believers faith and their salvation is not only very much misplaced, it can instill unnecessary fear, and be devasting to a new believer. It should never be done for this purpose.
(1Jn 1:1) That which existed from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we saw and our hands handled, concerning the word of life.
(1Jn 1:2) The life was manifested and we have seen and testify and declare to you the life, the eternal life, which existed with the Father and was manifested to us.
(1Jn 1:3) What we have seen and heard, we declare to you also,
so that you may also have fellowship with us.
Yes, and our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.
(1Jn 1:4) And these things we write,
that your joy may be made full. Life in the Light
(1Jn 1:5) And this is the message which we have heard from him and announce to you: That God is light, and
in Him is no darkness at all.
(1Jn 1:6) If we say that we have fellowship with Him and walk in the darkness, we lie and not do the truth.
(1Jn 1:7) But if we walk in the light, as He is i
n the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the
blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. ..................................(every time, automatic)
(1Jn 1:8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
(1Jn 1:9) If
we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
(1Jn 1:10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.