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yes, and they are using Scripture to confirm what they already know too, Heb
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Even if I was a Christian for 80 years I would still see the gospel as conditional to faith/faithfulness
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i'm going to leave the convo, but i pray that you might start seeking again, and stop using Scripture to confirm what you already know Heb. May you come to a hope of salvation again soon.
The religious that depend on their works to enter the kingdom are going to find themselves in the lake of fire to put in bluntly.
Well maybe you haven't come to a saving faith just yet. The true Gospel is based on Grace, not works and his Grace is unconditional.
Right, so Jesus didn't do enough when He died on the cross? The work is in us, not Christ?
Grace brings power and a walk with God. His grace is conditional...so I know you have not yet experienced walking in the Spirit.
Right, so Jesus didn't do enough when He died on the cross? The work is in us, not Christ?
God working through us...so that we walk like Jesus without sin...doing impossible things.
That's the "it" ?? You want people to get hell?
But true faith in Christ works...it works the works from heaven. You can't fake that.
No, His grace is unconditional. Episk, we are merely human beings walking in imperfection. His power is what keeps us saved, it is nothing we do.
1 Cor 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
Right, believers work out their salvation Episk, not work for.
Phil 2:12-13 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.
No, I don't want anyone to go to hell. I want them to come to a true saving faith in Jesus Christ. All I can do is plant the seed, Rom 10:9.
You really don't understand grace. We need to go to God for fresh grace. Like gas for a car. Imagine if someone said to you....gasoline is unconditional... Would you think they had never been to a gas station before?
So I know that you don't understand grace or walking by the power of the risen Lord without sin.
You have religious notions....but no power.
But you are still young...there is time to seek the Lord for His power. I pray you do so.
Episk, what you're describing is discipline Heb 12:4-13, sanctification and anointing 1 Jhn 2:27. Our daily walk in Christ has nothing to do with when we originally believed in Rom 10:9. Non-osas always error when they mix works with Grace. It's the pharisee mentality.
A true born again believer is non-denominational. We follow Christ now, not religious denominations. Jhn 3:3-7.
To believe in eternal conscious torment - by Oscar Baker, but I shortened it a bit.
1- You would have to agree that sin could never then be eradicated. As long as a sinner is alive, there is sin in the universe. God's goal of a sinless universe could, therefore, never be reached. If sinners live eternally in the universe, Satan's statement of "Thou shall not surely die". would be truth and not a lie.
2- God would have to create a body that would be resistant to fire. This body would have to be immortal. So, everyone, the saved and unsaved would have an immortal body.
3-The word says that death and Hell will be tossed into the lake of fire. However, since the unsaved is immortal, how would you dispose of him?
4- If men must spend eternity finishing the penalty for sin, then Christ did not die for the ungodly
Salvation is a matter of life and death, not happiness and misery
1- You would have to agree that sin could never then be eradicated. As long as a sinner is alive, there is sin in the universe. God's goal of a sinless universe could, therefore, never be reached. If sinners live eternally in the universe, Satan's statement of "Thou shall not surely die". would be truth and not a lie.
2- God would have to create a body that would be resistant to fire. This body would have to be immortal. So, everyone, the saved and unsaved would have an immortal body.
3-The word says that death and Hell will be tossed into the lake of fire. However, since the unsaved is immortal, how would you dispose of him?
4- If men must spend eternity finishing the penalty for sin, then Christ did not die for the ungodly
Salvation is a matter of life and death, not happiness and misery
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I came that you might have life, and more abundantly,
so imo those are implied too prolly
and you strike me as having plenty of grace btw, just in denial wadr, as your diversion testifies
how do you get out of the "all" in "all will be judged for their works," etc
eventually it will get overwhelming, you'll see
or you can die believing in Rapture, there is no judgement for beliefs anyway
but teaching is different, that is an action, ok, that is a work
I came that you might have life, and more abundantly,
so imo those are implied too prolly
Heb you might notice that you did not answer the Q here. What is "it?"
and you strike me as having plenty of grace btw, just in denial wadr, as your diversion testifies
how do you get out of the "all" in "all will be judged for their works," etc
eventually it will get overwhelming, you'll see
or you can die believing in Rapture, there is no judgement for beliefs anyway
but teaching is different, that is an action, ok, that is a work
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