Evangelicals and the Sabbath

[Paul Christensen]

Amen.

"You (Colossian Gentile) saints and faithful brethren in Christ .. that eateth of This Bread and drinketh of This Water .. eating and drinking OF SABBATH'S-FEAST .. BE JUDGED AND CONDEMNED!" "This, That Bread which came down from heaven .. which the Living Father sent" is BREAD He for no reason to his own glory "gave you the Sabbath NO bread but gave you the Sixth Day bread for two days".

"AS (those unbeliever Jews of old), you, Christians, DO NOT EAT. You REFUSE to eat, so you will rather starve, you will rather be dead than "BE EATING AND DRINKING OF SABBATH'S-FEAST" -- which is the "eating and drinking OF CHRIST THE SUBSTANCE AND NOURISHMENT .. of Sabbath's-Feast .. MINISTERED". So be it then, Starve and die, you WILL "LET YOURSELVES BE JUDGED AND CONDEMNED .. BY"... YOURSELVES!

That Paul of Tarsus, he must be the biggest liar out, for according to this Mjrhealth, Jesus The Word of God said, that "he that eateth of This Bread AS YOUR FATHERS, shall live for ever." But Mjrhealth teaches that when God gives The Living Waters to drink and the Bread of Life to eat AND "LIVE OF EVERY WORD FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD", to spew it out as if it is poison. Cherry pick Scriptures saves from the wrath to come ... if one has to believe one Mjrhealth and make God the liar.

The issue here is the certainty of the belief that the doctrine is answerable or not, as the answer may be. If so, then it is a straight out case, and there it is. But if the case is not apparent then the unapparentness of it becomes confusing to those who don't see the absolute detail in all its clarity. It is very important that the detail is entirely clarified so that every casual observer is totally aware of the main points of the continuum and satisfied that the issue is resolved, or not resolved as the case may be.

This explanation makes things absolutely clear for those who choose to understand it.

 

[mailmandan]

Do what? Conclude that the "Sabbath remaining for the People of God" is a Scriptures mistake.

Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used no where else in the Bible. Amazing that Sabbatarians would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else in the Bible!

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

Sabbath rest (4520) sabbatismos - Sermon Index

 

[mailmandan]

no but christians who keep it are subject to all the laws. you break one yoy break them all. is it by the law you are trying to save yourself. Good luck with that one.

Good luck with that one indeed! We cannot save ourselves by the law. (Romans 3:24-28; 10:1-4; Galatians 2:16; 3:1-14; Philippians 3:9; James 2:10) Salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" is a perversion of the gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Gods imperfect creation being perfected in Christ

Many, very many, shall in that day say, Look, God, your imperfect creation being perfected in me!
Imagine telling God, <<your imperfect creation>>! Worse, imagine telling God -- in that or any other day, but in That, Day, <<your imperfect creation being perfected in me!>>

 

[mjrhealth]

Many, very many, shall in that day say, Look, God, your imperfect creation being perfected in me!
Imagine telling God, <<your imperfect creation>>! Worse, imagine telling God -- in that or any other day, but in That, Day, <<your imperfect creation being perfected in me!>>

Jesus Christ a stumbling block to so many.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Good luck with that one indeed! We cannot save ourselves by the law. (Romans 3:24-28; 10:1-4; Galatians 2:16; 3:1-14; Philippians 3:9; James 2:10) Salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works" is a perversion of the gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9)

Another wise guy talking with himself over the head of the Scriptures.

Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" here is used no where else in the Bible. Amazing that Sabbatarians would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else in the Bible!

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

Sabbath rest (4520) sabbatismos - Sermon Index

jahhhhhh here we start all over again....

<<Amazing that Sabbatarians would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else in the Bible!>>

In the Bible - perhaps not; in other sources called papyri, no doubt it is. Now isn't THAT, <Amazing>?!

You've seen nothing yet. Watch this - yourself - for Amazing!...<<It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.>> The Bold is also, yours! FOR WHAT REASON NOT?! 'Sabbatismos' (a Sabbatism an '-ism' - a habitual cultivated practice, based upon the habitual cultivated practical Sabbath-Rest-DAY) is used in this passage specifically <<in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day>>! EXACTLY! FOR WHAT ELSE THAN but <<to describe a period of rest [the S.a.b.b.a.t.h] for God’s people which is modelled after and is a fulfilment of the traditional Sabbath>>!?

There is even MORE <literally> to this <<indissoluble relation with God>> which the word and conceptual reality of a "Sabbath-rest-DAY for the People of God" has in the <immediately> foregoing Context in verse 4 where it states of this very same "DAY" in the Old Testament, "God thus concerning the Seventh Day spake, And God the DAY The Seventh Day from all his works rested". God - in the OT - "rested the DAY The Seventh Day". In the NEW Testament "Jesus - GOD - gave them Rest THEREFORE THE SAME DAY, a "Sabbath-rest-DAY for the People of God remains valid / mandatory STILL."

MORE BLATANT DENIAL AND DIRECT CONTRADICTION of what stands Written in perfect and satisfactory COMMON SENSIBILITY AND LITERALNESS, is impossible. Are you proud of yourself where you speak your BIG WORDS AGAINST THE ALMIGHTY GOD, like the very big mouthed little horn who thought he'd change Times and Law of God. (Once there was a silly ole' ram thought he'd bump a hole in a dam 'cause he got HIGH UP IN SKY HOPES. Somewhere he is called Lucifer.)

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters. Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this age nor in the age to come. Matthew 12:30-32

What is blasphemy against the Spirit that shall not be forgiven? It is not to admit, confess and repent one's very own "speaking against the Holy Spirit"! It is this speaking untruth against the Truth of Scripture breathed by the Holy Spirit.

 

[mjrhealth]

Take note of your words, they stand againnst you.

 

[marksman]

????????Sorry.

Ah, don't worry, just word-painting.[/QUOTE]
Nice picture.

 

[marksman]

He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with Me scatters. Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this age nor in the age to come. Matthew 12:30-32

What is blasphemy against the Spirit that shall not be forgiven? It is not to admit, confess and repent one's very own "speaking against the Holy Spirit"! It is this speaking untruth against the Truth of Scripture breathed by the Holy Spirit.

I believe you will find that the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit who leads us into all truth is to say that Jesus Christ is not Lord.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

It's not a sin for the ekklesia to assemble and edify itself on Sundays, or any other days of the week, here's why:

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace.

Heb 8:13 In that he says, A new covenant, he has made the first old. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away.

Rom 7:4-6
(4) Wherefore, my brethren, you also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
(5) For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
(6) But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Why do the nations rage, And the people plot a vain thing? 2 The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying, 3 "Let us break Their bonds in pieces And cast away Their cords from us." 4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; The Lord shall hold them in derision. 5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, And distress them in His deep displeasure

Stumpmaster who cannot distinguish that it is _he_ who should be dead to the Law and not the Law dead to him, DO YOU TEACH OTHERS YOUR DEADLY ERROR? Go on maybe you have a remedy for the world's overpopulation.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I believe you will find that the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit who leads us into all truth is to say that Jesus Christ is not Lord.

Then why do you insist Jesus is not Lord of the Sabbath?! Or do you acknowledge, confess and worship Him FOR BEING "LORD OF THE SABBATH DAY"? If Yes, the Lord bless you and be with you

 

[mjrhealth]

Stumpmaster who cannot distinguish that it is _he_ who should be dead to the Law and not the Law dead to him, DO YOU TEACH OTHERS YOUR DEADLY ERROR?

Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God

We would rather Christ.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

We would rather Christ.

You would not! Because if you would rather Christ you would rather Christ in HIS and not YOUR fullness.

Christ gave gifts to his Own Body of True Believers the Church -- gifts He gave in His Eternal Faithfulness to his Bride the Church in mutual acceptance and trust between Husband Lord and a submissive, obedient and thankful, WORSHIPPING, Servant-Bride--, gifts Christ gave as "sign" to be WORN AND SHOWN AND BE SEEN on her hand-in-deed and in her forehead-in-thought, as "sign" OF WHO HER HUSBAND IS. And, as “sign” of the sacred bond of her marriage and that she is no harlot in will-worship taking pride in her waywardness and wantonness.

Touch the Body of Christ's Own to steal her sign of marriage allegiance, and you prick the finger in the apple of the eye of the Groom. One day, He will get you.

 

[mjrhealth]

You would not! Because if you would rather Christ you would rather Christ in HIS and not YOUR fullness.

That is all I have ever written, all mens religions are daughters of the harlot, what has Christ to do with a harlot.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God

We would rather Christ.

You would NEVER rather Christ "are YOU", not "become dead" -- and "are YOU" not "become dead BY THE BODY OF CHRIST" which "Body of Christ" you, Mjrhealth, here, all along now, have been taking great self-satisfaction in denying and deriding and insulting! Away with you!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

That is all I have ever written, all mens religions are daughters of the harlot, what has Christ to do with a harlot.

In other words, the Church of Jesus Christ is a harlot and it is only Mjrhealth who is not a religious bigot.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it. In whatever way they enter into divine “rest,” that which they enjoy is involved in an indissoluble relation with God. (Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words)

....continued speaking high words of one's low estimation of God's Words... <<here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.>>

<<this Sabbath rest[*] is the rest of God Himself>> No, it's a lie. 'Sabbatismos' is not "the rest of God" which in Hebrews is 'Katapausis tou Theou'.

<<here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.>> No, this is self-contradicting untruth. In Hebrews the "Sabbath-keeping" - 'Sabbatismos', is the weekly "Sabbath Day's rest remaining for and enjoyed by the People of God"--, believers whom "Jesus had given Rest" in whom they "every Sabbath" [Sabbatismos] <<fellowship with the Father and the Son>> and one another.
Thus "the Sabbath for the People of God" [Sabbatismos] and the Lord Jesus "The Rest of God" [Katapausis tou Theou] are in perfect harmony under the Risen Christ and since his Resurrection from the dead "on the Sabbath" has "uninterruptedly been maintained" [apoleipetai] by "the People of God" God's true Church however invisible to the blindness of the world and apostate church of Antichrist.

[*<<SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30>>]

 

[mailmandan]

....continued speaking high words of one's low estimation of God's Words... <<here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.>>

<<this Sabbath rest[*] is the rest of God Himself>> No, it's a lie. 'Sabbatismos' is not "the rest of God" which in Hebrews is 'Katapausis tou Theou'.

<<here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.>> No, this is self-contradicting untruth. In Hebrews the "Sabbath-keeping" - 'Sabbatismos', is the weekly "Sabbath Day's rest remaining for and enjoyed by the People of God"--, believers whom "Jesus had given Rest" in whom they "every Sabbath" [Sabbatismos]-- i.e., <<fellowship with the Father and the Son>>.
Thus "the Sabbath for the People of God" [Sabbatismos] and the Lord Jesus "The Rest of God" [Katapausis tou Theou] are in perfect harmony under the Risen Christ and since his Resurrection from the dead "on the Sabbath" has "uninterruptedly been maintained" [apoleipetai] by "the People of God" God's true Church however invisible to the blindness of the world and apostate church of Antichrist.

[*<<SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30>>]

I can clearly see that you are deeply deceived. I pray that the Lord will open your eyes to the truth.

Here are some links to articles below that may help open your eyes to the truth:

Sabbatismos Ministries: Finding Our Rest in Christ - Is the Sabbath Still Required for Christians?
The Sabbath & Sunday

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]