Every Believer Must Do Good Works and Proclaim the Gospel, Some Are Called to Teach

[christiang]

No one in here is refusing to help the poor. So why are you still rebuking. All your doing is ruining the OP and causeing pain. God never called you to do that.

Some people here have said that they don't have to. Doing good works is not optional, it is obligatory. I am reprimanding those who think it is optional.

 

[bbyrd009]

Some people here have said that they don't have to. Doing good works is not optional, it is obligatory. I am reprimanding those who think it is optional.

ok no offense meant here, but you know ppl like that usually end up alone in situations with lots of stray animals, right.

 

[Marymog]

And here it is again....those word "you must"...
I'll pass thank you....

Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

I could go on and on with what scripture says that we "must" do.....but I digress.

My point is that there are many things we MUST do. It is just a matter of figuring out who has the authority to loose and bind those things we must do.

IHS...Mary

 

[bbyrd009]

Seek your own salvation

seems pretty clear

 

[Ally.s.j]

Some people here have said that they don't have to. Doing good works is not optional, it is obligatory. I am reprimanding those who think it is optional.

You dont have authority to repremand anyone. You are allowed to give testimonys of what God is doing through you.

 

[Ally.s.j]

My point is that there are many things we MUST do. It is just a matter of figuring out who has the authority to loose and bind those things we must do.

IHS...Mary

I never read that in scripture. Where do we find it? Be interesting to read it, how we find out our calling. Be amazing!!!

 

[christiang]

You dont have authority to repremand anyone. You are allowed to give testimonys of what God is doing through you.

Yes I do, the law commands it so, and so did the apostles,

"'Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt. (Leviticus 19:17 [NIV])

As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear. (1 Timothy 5:20 [ESV])

Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer. (2 Thessalonians 3:14-15 [NIV])

Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. (Titus 3:10 [NIV])

And I'm not going to keep warning you, at some point I'm going to just block you. Now, what is it that I am arguing against here? Doing good unto others. Doing good works. This is obligatory, not optional. If you don't like it, take it up with God, not me. I'm just here passing on the word to you people who love to grumble and complain, because ultimately, you simply don't want to do good works, whether I speak to you gently, or harshly. You will grumble no less.

 

[Ally.s.j]

Yes I do, the law commands it so, and so did the apostles,

"'Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt. (Leviticus 19:17 [NIV])

As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear. (1 Timothy 5:20 [ESV])

Take special note of anyone who does not obey our instruction in this letter. Do not associate with them, in order that they may feel ashamed. Yet do not regard them as an enemy, but warn them as you would a fellow believer. (2 Thessalonians 3:14-15 [NIV])

Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. (Titus 3:10 [NIV])

And I'm not going to keep warning you, at some point I'm going to just block you. Now, what is it that I am arguing against here? Doing good unto others. Doing good works. This is obligatory, not optional. If you don't like it, take it up with God, not me. I'm just here passing on the word to you people who love to grumble and complain, because ultimately, you simply don't want to do good works, whether I speak to you gently, or harshly. You will grumble no less.

Ahh Ok your under the law. Then in that case you can do what ever you like under the law. I am free from the law. Now I see why people are rejecting your posts right off the bat. So your law is not for me either. Thank you but no thanks. Christ fulfullied the law for me. Because I cant. You are welcome to try to fulfull it if you so desire. But why would you.
And 2 thes tells you not to associate with them. How many time do you think you got to tell them. It says twice. Your way past that and they aint listning. Its not working. Do you think if you will post one more time it will work. No so are you done now. I will say thanks for trying, but your braking the law you serve now. So there for contradicting the law and your self. They mostly all stopped posting, thankfully.

 

[christiang]

Ahh Ok your under the law. Then in that case you can do what ever you like under the law. I am free from the law. Now I see why people are rejecting your posts right off the bat. So your law is not for me either. Thank you but no thanks. Christ fulfullied the law for me. Because I cant. You are welcome to try to fulfull it if you so desire. But why would you.
And 2 thes tells you not to associate with them. How many time do you think you got to tell them. It says twice. Your way past that and they aint listning. Its not working. Do you think if you will post one more time it will work. No so are you done now. I will say thanks for trying, but your braking the law you serve now. So there for contradicting the law and your self. They mostly all stopped posting, thankfully.

Then if you won't take from the command of the Law then take it from the command of the apostles. This command is coming from both directions genius. If you wont take it from the left, then take it from the right. You're doing exactly what I am telling you you are doing, GRUMBLING. Its the Israelites who grumbled against the Israelites who were in obedience that ended up dead in the desert. Who here is grumbling? The ones that don't want to do good works, against those telling them that they must do good works. From a spiritual perspective, you're essentially doing the same as those Israelites who ended up dead. Now, stop your grumbling, and affirm what I have been teaching, that we must all do good works, then I will be gentle with you.

 

[Ally.s.j]

See that word Genius. Thats the sarchastic part where you lose every one. If you cant talk in love. You DO NOT have a green light to talk to anyone. You need to to a word study on the words that YOU think allow you to ridicule. So genuis old woman. sweet heart. nit wit etc. Your failing misiribly. Sorry. I never even read the end of your post. Its not nice and I dont need that in here. I am here to be built up together. I think I will have a go a putting over what you tried to. And see if you can spot the difference.

 

[christiang]

See that word Genius. Thats the sarchastic part where you lose every one. If you cant talk in love. You DO NOT have a green light to talk to anyone. You need to to a word study on the words that YOU think allow you to ridicule. So genuis old woman. sweet heart. nit wit etc. Your failing misiribly. Sorry. I never even read the end of your post. Its not nice and I dont need that in here. I am here to be built up together. I think I will have a go a putting over what you tried to. And see if you can spot the difference.

Okay genius. Whatever you say.

 

[Ally.s.j]

Okay genius. Whatever you say.

So why would you say that again after I tell you its not nice. You are here trying to teach and you really expect anyone to listen to you. Why cant you see this. never took me long to see what the rest are seeing in you. Its not love bro. Its not cool. I asked people in here to dial it down. and everyone did. except you. Your enhancing aggression. I dont understand that.

 

[christiang]

So why would you say that again after I tell you its not nice. You are here trying to teach and you really expect anyone to listen to you. Why cant you see this. never took me long to see what the rest are seeing in you. Its not love bro. Its not cool. I asked people in here to dial it down. and everyone did. except you. Your enhancing aggression. I dont understand that.

You don't deserve to be treated nicely. Not only are you defending those who say doing good works is optional, but now you've come on to say that the Law has been discarded for you not to obey a simple command of rebuking a brother who is in sin, which even the apostles repeated, but you want to go ahead and discard because its in the Law. There's alot deeply wrong with you, that you yourself don't even realize, and think I'm the bad guy, when I'm the one trying to open your eyes to your own folly and demise.

 

[Marymog]

I never read that in scripture. Where do we find it? Be interesting to read it, how we find out our calling. Be amazing!!!

Hi,

Never read what? What we must do? Loosening and binding?

Mary

 

[bbyrd009]

Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them. (Titus 3:10 [NIV])

And I'm not going to keep warning you, at some point I'm going to just block you. Now, what is it that I am arguing against here? Doing good unto others. Doing good works. This is obligatory, not optional. If you don't like it, take it up with God, not me. I'm just here passing on the word to you people who love to grumble and complain, because ultimately, you simply don't want to do good works, whether I speak to you gently, or harshly.

and when you find that no one will have anything to do with you, what then?

 

[bbyrd009]

Ahh Ok your under the law.

yes

 

[bbyrd009]

Ahh Ok your under the law. Then in that case you can do what ever you like under the law. I am free from the law. Now I see why people are rejecting your posts right off the bat. So your law is not for me either. Thank you but no thanks. Christ fulfullied the law for me. Because I cant. You are welcome to try to fulfull it if you so desire. But why would you.
And 2 thes tells you not to associate with them. How many time do you think you got to tell them. It says twice. Your way past that and they aint listning. Its not working. Do you think if you will post one more time it will work. No so are you done now. I will say thanks for trying, but your braking the law you serve now. So there for contradicting the law and your self. They mostly all stopped posting, thankfully.

deja vu, lol :)
i should prolly just delete my posts!

 

[Helen]

Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

I could go on and on with what scripture says that we "must" do.....but I digress.

My point is that there are many things we MUST do. It is just a matter of figuring out who has the authority to loose and bind those things we must do.

IHS...Mary

I have actually opted out of this thread because of name calling...by the OP'er to people who disagree with him....but that is all 'water under'...
We'd be foolish to believe that there is not a plumb line to live by.

What I was trying and failing to get said was:-
Legalism is not the way. Is there salvation without the "you must's"..we know there is. The thief on the cross is an obvious one....
My point is...that God is a heart searcher. He looks for motivation . We know all the stories.
Luke 18 9-14
"The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess...( I give my money, I feed the homeless blah blah blah)
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other.."

Why? God saw the HEART and the motivation of the actions.
People as our friend here 'christiang' is condemning people on this site saying that we all don't do all the "you must' things...he says , therefore we are not Christians...and will reap our reward .. ( if you have read this whole thread you'll see that)...yet he knows none of us, !!
How can anyone judge fruit which they cannot SEE?

In the churches, we can see the legalistic church people who will go up to a new convert , pounce on them and say.. " You must...you must cut your hair, you must read your bible this many hours each day...you must give your money, you must feed the homeless...if you listen to pop music "you must" stop. If you watch lots of TV you must stop...and you must get out there and do lots of works for God. Mary, truthfully in my early church days I saw this done over and over by people like 'chritiang'.
They dump a load of rules upon the person before they even get started!

Yet in another church the wise people see the need of changes in a person's life..and...but amazingly they do NOT tell them that "they-must, do a list of things to have a christian walk with God. do that.."
No, some go quietly before the Father in secret, and PRAY for God's Holy Spirit to nudge a person and show them the things that He would like to see changed.
Like the Pharisee ...there he was, doing all the things 'he proudly listed' before God to impress Him and in an effort to show God just how righteousness he was...God did not give a fig about his proud self-righteous list of "doings".....But God saw the humble tax collector's heart, and it was where God wanted it to be.

Now, do we do the things in God's heart for the lost, hungry,or aged and sick... of course we do...but we do not do them because "we must"..we do them because God is in us and His love cannot help but flow through us to others.

Sorry Mary. But I will always challenge condemning " you must's".

God has given us the wonderful OPPORTUNITY to do all these things .....from the heart. And that, ...He sees.
In no way am I trying to change your mind in what 'you' believe.
But I will not sit under anyone who presents a legalist way for others to become "righteous" !
What each of us do, and how we live our lives is our business before the Lord.

But to try and bring other people down under what 'you' have chosen to believe is wrong. That is God's business.
BTW..That 'you' there, is not meaning 'you' personally :)

Anyway...I only came back into this thread to answer you.
God Bless....Helen

 

[Ally.s.j]

You don't deserve to be treated nicely. Not only are you defending those who say doing good works is optional, but now you've come on to say that the Law has been discarded for you not to obey a simple command of rebuking a brother who is in sin, which even the apostles repeated, but you want to go ahead and discard because its in the Law. There's alot deeply wrong with you, that you yourself don't even realize, and think I'm the bad guy, when I'm the one trying to open your eyes to your own folly and demise.

No one said its optional. That was you. I never said you are a bad guy once again that was you.You dont open anyones eyes its not your Job. Your job is to love. and your failing. Dont be trying to tell me the apostles done the law. They never. Christ did. The law brings death. when the law was introduced 3000 died. penticost 3000 were saved. See the difference?

 

[Ally.s.j]

Hi,

Never read what? What we must do? Loosening and binding?

Mary

It is just a matter of figuring out who has the authority

This part.