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So now you say you do not agree with this Seventh-day Adventist teaching?
LOL. So typical of so many... You like so many others fail to study what others truly teach and why, then condemn them on the basis of your own ignorance. Seventh Day Adventists do not teach that a created angel called Michael became Jesus.
 
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The rest of us will just have to add more flavour in their absence.
God will use whoever is available when He wants to use someone to accomplish His purpose, be it working as a goat or as a sheep. Lots of goats around I guess but let us be sheep.

Give God the glory!
 
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God will use whoever is available when He wants to use someone to accomplish His purpose, be it working as a goat or as a sheep. Lots of goats around I guess but let us be sheep.

Give God the glory!
Thing is though brother, in the hubbub of all the extraneous noise about, it can be a tad difficult to discern between the baaaas of the sheep, and the baaeeaahs of the goat. Unless you're a sheep farmer of course. Or a goat herder. Just like the wheat and the tares. Just gotta watch for that fruit.
 
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Thing is though brother, in the hubbub of all the extraneous noise about, it can be a tad difficult to discern between the baaaas of the sheep, and the baaeeaahs of the goat. Unless you're a sheep farmer of course. Or a goat herder. Just like the wheat and the tares. Just gotta watch for that fruit.
Yes, we must be in contact all of the time to know who is and who is not, what! God knows always and if we are paying attention He will always let us know which is which.

Give God the glory!
 
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Helen

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The rest of us will just have to add more flavour in their absence.

:D Well said.
Some are provokers for the wrong reason, and some like bbryrd009 are provokers for the right reason ...he provokes to cause people to check why the believe what they believe. I guess I like Mark's flavour on here because my own dad was a like that...so I am used to it.
When we in the family were new and young...after the Sunday meal (all us married kids went to mum and dads house for the Sunday meal) Dad would bring up some verse and ask a question about it.
At first we would just answer what we believed that certain verse meant. Then he would always say.."So why do you believe that that is what it is saying?"
So , we soon learned to think through what we personally believed and WHY! Dad was never disrespectful , or down on our pastor...but he did teach us to always check why we agreed with what some man was preaching, and never just believe everything that came over the pulpits. Study and recheck the word.
Bbyrd009 is a provoker to rethink, and double check...'and be sure these things are so.' :)

So, if he has chosen to not be around here as much...I dub you with his ministry, to take his place. :D
 
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No, you don't. Core is wrong.

SDA doctrine Michael is jesus could at DuckDuckGo

Christ, and Michel the Archangel q08.htm
We believe that the term "Michael" is but one of the many titles applied to the Son of God, the second person of the Godhead.

Doctor Slotki, in his Commentary on Daniel, shows the term "Prince of princes" (Dan. 8:25) to be the same as the "prince of the host" of verse 11. And in commenting on these two expressions, the Cambridge Bible says, "i.e. God." But this "Prince of princes," or "prince of the host," is also referred to as Michael. Daniel 10:21 tells of "Michael your prince," and Daniel 12:1 of Michael, "the great prince." But this Prince is also the Messiah, for we read of "Messiah the Prince" in Daniel 9:25. Others agree. Joseph Parker states:

Michael was known amongst the ancient Jews as the angel or prince who had special charge of the nation of Israel. The very best Jewish writers concur in teaching that the name "Michael" is the same as the title "Messiah." it is held by them that the
 

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@CoreIssue

Why does everyone have to be put into neat little boxes, and labeled , this, that, or the other. @brakelite doesn't have to fit in anyones neat little box just for the convenience of an argument.
 

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@CoreIssue

Why does everyone have to be put into neat little boxes, and labeled , this, that, or the other. @brakelite doesn't have to fit in anyones neat little box just for the convenience of an argument.


I hardly fit into a neat little box.

The big boxes of Christian, non-Christian and Christian cult are not small and each contains a lot of diversity.

Those boxes are not defined by me, but the Bible.

There is no way you can say the gods the Mormonism, the book of Mormon, their salvation and tons more can be found in the Bible.

They have a different God, a different Christ and preach a different salvation, by works.

Then it goes on if you make the celestial heaven you can continue to progress all the way to godhood.

How can you call that Christian?
 
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Well done. You have done a little research. But that doesn't fully explain what we believe, and what scripture teaches. I still disagree with your statement that I believe a created angel became Jesus. I believe Michael is Jesus, but who said Michael is a created angel?
, if he has chosen to not be around here as much...I dub you with his ministry, to take his place. :D
Haha. I don't think my feet are big enough. But it's interesting how you describe his manner and personality on here. That is why I chose the name brakelite. Like a lighthouse. To make people stop and think. Whether they need to detour, U-turn, slow down, stop altogether, is up to them. Or just continue as before, is their decision. I just try to shine a light to make people sit up and take notice.
 
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Well done. You have done a little research. But that doesn't fully explain what we believe, and what scripture teaches. I still disagree with your statement that I believe a created angel became Jesus. I believe Michael is Jesus, but who said Michael is a created angel?

Trying to be crafty.

I never said anything but you believe Michael the Archangel is Jesus. Never used the word created.

In response to exactly what I said you denied Michael is Jesus. But when called on it you now say Michael is Jesus.

You need to be more careful in quoting. I seen these kind of tactics way too many times to fall for them easily.
 

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I thank you for that second link above. It fully explains our position, and gives excellent sound biblical reasons for our belief. What W do not do is call people heretics if they have a different opinion. Or say because they are different, they must be a cult.

Yes it does fully explain your position. And fully makes clear why it is wrong.

Not a different opinion, but violates the Bible in critical teachings.
 

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There is no way you can say the gods the Mormonism, the book of Mormon, their salvation and tons more can be found in the Bible.

You were not posting about Mormon beliefs, you were challenging Brakelite about Jesus and Michael.... that is when I mentioned boxes.

In nearly every church I attended ...not every single person has to believe just the same thing or way as the person sitting next to them.

He may be a SDA , and I am not...but by your measuring rod , what a person believes or doesn't believe makes one 'more of a christian' than another!!
 
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