EZ 38-39 TIMELINE

[Heb 13:8]

Not at all. If you learn about the nature of the kingdom from Jesus, it will change your views on Revelation, and chapter 20. Jesus was Amillennial.

Nah, there are no years on the New Earth, even to the hard headed, lol.

Time has an end and beginning, it's what you learn in 3rd grade science class.

Rev 10:6 And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay (chronos)!

Rev 20:3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time (chronos).

chronos: time
Original Word: χρόνος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: chronos
Phonetic Spelling: (khron'-os)
Definition: time
Usage: time, a particular time, season.

 

[Dave L]

Nah, there are no years on the New Earth, even to the hard headed, lol.

Time has an end and beginning, it's what you learn in 3rd grade science class.

Rev 10:6 And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay (chronos)!

Rev 20:3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time (chronos).

chronos: time
Original Word: χρόνος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: chronos
Phonetic Spelling: (khron'-os)
Definition: time
Usage: time, a particular time, season.

You confuse the "physical Millennium teaching" that is a false doctrine, with the real forever kingdom that takes place in the new heavens and earth. Forever = eternity.

 

[Heb 13:8]

You confuse the "physical Millennium teaching" that is a false doctrine, with the real forever kingdom that takes place in the new heavens and earth. Forever = eternity.

Right, and there is no time in eternity. There is a beginning and an end for Satan bound a 1000 yr.

Years = time. Years are also found in Zech 14:16 after Jesus lands on earth.

You're not handing out pamphlets like the JW's are you, telling people there is time in eternity?

This conversation is headed to borderline straight jacket.

 

[Vexatious]

And has Jesus come yet?? No Mr strawman.

2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Rev 1:1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon (tachos) take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

Rule #1 Dispies lie about everything.

2 Pet 3:9 has absolutely nothing, nothing at all, to do with the meaning of "soon." Peter points out that God's time table is not necessarily the same as our expectations, not that "soon" doesn't mean soon.

Jesus spoke of his coming (meaning judgment). In the Gospels, Jesus gave no indication at all of how soon, fast or slow, that would be, other than it would be before his generation passed. God, out of his patience, waited until the end of that time span to judge Jerusalem. Peter doesn't mention anything about God saying anything related to "soon" when he explains God's patience, that a thousand years is as a day, and vice-versa, to God.

Jesus doesn't say "soon" until the Revelation is given to John. If Jesus didn't use the word "soon" in the Gospels nearly 40 years prior, then 2000 years certainly is not in the realm of soon.

Revelation also uses another Greek word which is translated "at hand", which again refutes the Dispie argument about tachos, the word eggys. Many other timing indicators are given throughout the New Testament showing this coming was the first century.

Rule #2 Dispies always try to make God a liar.

If Peter's comment applies to "soon" then it makes God a liar because then "soon" then really means nothing. But, anyone reading "soon" thinks it has meaning.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Rule #1 Dispies lie about everything.

2 Pet 3:9 has absolutely nothing, nothing at all, to do with the meaning of "soon." Peter points out that God's time table is not necessarily the same as our expectations, not that "soon" doesn't mean soon.

Jesus spoke of his coming (meaning judgment). In the Gospels, Jesus gave no indication at all of how soon, fast or slow, that would be, other than it would be before his generation passed. God, out of his patience, waited until the end of that time span to judge Jerusalem. Peter doesn't mention anything about God saying anything related to "soon" when he explains God's patience, that a thousand years is as a day, and vice-versa, to God.

Jesus doesn't say "soon" until the Revelation is given to John. If Jesus didn't use the word "soon" in the Gospels nearly 40 years prior, then 2000 years certainly is not in the realm of soon.

Revelation also uses another Greek word which is translated "at hand", which again refutes the Dispie argument about tachos, the word eggys. Many other timing indicators are given throughout the New Testament showing this coming was the first century.

Rule #2 Dispies always try to make God a liar.

If Peter's comment applies to "soon" then it makes God a liar because then "soon" then really means nothing. But, anyone reading "soon" thinks it has meaning.

Gee, I wonder if this verse includes Rev 19.

Rev 22:6 The angel said to me, "These words are trustworthy and true. The Lord, the God who inspires the prophets, sent his angel to show his servants the things that must soon (tachos) take place."

 

[Dave L]

Right, and there is no time in eternity. There is a beginning and an end for Satan bound a 1000 yr.

Years = time. Years are also found in Zech 14:16 after Jesus lands on earth.

You're not handing out pamphlets like the JW's are you, telling people there is time in eternity?

This conversation is headed to borderline straight jacket.

You are not addressing the issues by launching insults.

 

[bbyrd009]

eternity=a time period, regardless of what you may believe now

 

[Dave L]

eternity=a time period, regardless of what you may believe now

“to the only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority, before all time, and now, and for all eternity. Amen.” (Jude 25)

 

[bbyrd009]

“to the only God our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority, before all time, and now, and for all eternity. Amen.” (Jude 25)

you are making my point here Dave; "before all time" is differentiated from "all eternity" here, which does not mean "forever"

 

[Dave L]

you are making my point here Dave; "before all time" is differentiated from "all eternity" here, which does not mean "forever"

Before all time = time created. And now and for all eternity. Only God is eternal = without beginning or end.
“Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.” (Psalm 90:1–2)

 

[bbyrd009]

Before all time = time created.

this does not even make logical sense Dave

And now and for all eternity.

until the aeon ends, yes

Only God is eternal = without beginning or end.

that is immortal Dave, not eternal, as that specific Scripture even says!

Even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God

again you are making my point here, now you have two eternities

 

[Dave L]

this does not even make logical sense Dave
until the aeon ends, yes
that is immortal Dave, not eternal, as that specific Scripture even says!

God created time, space. and matter. They are intrinsically related. Only God is eternal, never having a beginning or end. And we who believe in Christ existed eternally and were eternally saved in God's mind.

 

[bbyrd009]

the dictionary is even helping you out now, see; unfortunately bc they are blind they don't realize how they are condemning you there at the bottom i guess



e·ter·ni·ty
əˈtərnədē/
noun

1. infinite or unending time.
   "their love was sealed for eternity"
   synonyms: ever, all time, perpetuity
   "the memory will remain for eternity"
   • a state to which time has no application; timelessness.
   • THEOLOGY
     endless life after death.
     "immortal souls destined for eternity"
     synonyms: the afterlife, everlasting life, life after death, the hereafter, the afterworld, the next world;
     heaven, paradise, immortality
     "souls destined for eternity"

 

[Dave L]

the dictionary is even helping you out now, see; unfortunately bc they are blind they don't realize how they are condemning you there at the bottom i guess



e·ter·ni·ty
əˈtərnədē/
noun

1. infinite or unending time.
   "their love was sealed for eternity"
   synonyms: ever, all time, perpetuity
   "the memory will remain for eternity"
   • a state to which time has no application; timelessness.
   • THEOLOGY
     endless life after death.
     "immortal souls destined for eternity"
     synonyms: the afterlife, everlasting life, life after death, the hereafter, the afterworld, the next world;
     heaven, paradise, immortality
     "souls destined for eternity"

Try bible dictionaries too.

 

[bbyrd009]

Only God is eternal, never having a beginning or end.

that is immortal Dave, and you do not know what the definition of "eternal" is wadr; you believe the dictionary definition of eternal right, that whole post up there, all the way to the bottom, and you even repeated it, not realizing the consequences

 

[Dave L]

that is immortal Dave, and you do not know what the definition of "eternal" is wadr; you believe the dictionary definition of eternal right, that whole post up there, all the way to the bottom, and you even repeated it, not realizing the consequences

Just sayin' God has no beginning or end and I define "eternal" by this.

 

[bbyrd009]

Try bible dictionaries too.

yup, don't care, eternity is not forever and never was until it got translated to English, honest injun

 

[Dave L]

yup, don't care, eternity is not forever and never was until it got translated to English, honest injun

So God has a beginning and end?

 

[bbyrd009]

Just sayin' God has no beginning or end and I define "eternal" by this.

ok well that is so that you can be an immortal too, not bc that is the way eternal is used in Scripture, which even has 16He alone is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light. No one has ever seen Him, nor can anyone see Him for when people try to make "eternal" into "immortal," the one you just misquoted? 'Member?

 

[bbyrd009]

So God has a beginning and end?

no, eternities do though, they are "life-long" or "age-long," but that won't serve you if you are not only convinced but also wish you were already dead and partying with Jesus i guess Dave. God is immortal, and also Lord of Eternities. You can call them Eons, or Epochs, you can even believe eternity is forever if you want ok, bc it is true enough, from your pov