Facts vs Faith......Textbooks

[winc]

Being unaware and neither consulted nor advised and without our permission we have been duped into paying to aid and abet our adults and children to be indoctrinated to accept lies and false beliefs and that it is the Bible that is full of errors,lies,contradictions,exagerrations,myths,fiction and fairytales and cannot be relied on or trusted as regards history and science.We find ourselves in condemnation as at Matt.18:16 - and so our adults and especially school leavers are falling away in droves - check it out for yourself via google search [Fact vs Faith/Textbooks] - your comments - winc

 

[Rach1370]

We cannot stop the secular systems from teaching these things. We cannot even protect our children from needing to learn these things in their classrooms. But as Christian parents we can and should be teaching our children that while the may need to 'learn' these things to progress in education, that they must have a solid understanding of this: that man will always try and find explanations for things that don't involve God, but when it comes down to it, we must remember that God's version of things (the bible) is always going to be more accurate than mans version of things. They may need to learn about things like evolution, but as long as they are regarding these teachings in the same line of 'once upon a time men thought the world was flat, but then they realised how foolish and ignorant they were'...then no harm should come.

 

[jburic09032]

Or you could just homeschool your kids with a christian curriculum and have them learning creation instead of evelution, etc.
Then you keep them from learning unclean things Inside and Outside the classroom.
And it gives you more quality time with your children.

 

[winc]

Or you could just homeschool your kids with a christian curriculum and have them learning creation instead of evelution, etc.
Then you keep them from learning unclean things Inside and Outside the classroom.
And it gives you more quality time with your children.

lets urge urgent unity and a common and united front to counter evolution in our schools,churches,media and society - twinc

 

[aspen]

You have several choices for educating your children. In our country, school boards select textbooks - that is reality. If you do not like their selections, don't send your kids to public schools.

 

[winc]

You have several choices for educating your children. In our country, school boards select textbooks - that is reality. If you do not like their selections, don't send your kids to public schools.

I dont think it has sunk in or what is important has sunk in that it is our schools and we are paying to aid and abet etc - twinc

 

[aspen]

I dont think it has sunk in or what is important has sunk in that it is our schools and we are paying to aid and abet etc - twinc

Oh it has sunk in, friend.

Blind, deaf, and elderly have to pay taxes for roads and they are not allowed to use them. Paying taxes that benefit our community, while not necessarily benefiting us, personally is part of life. It is unfortunate for you that you belong to a minority group in America - perhaps it used to be a majority, but not today. Tough.

Paying taxes are part of our duty as Americans - it is only the Rich and radically conservative that belief they are entitled to pay a lower rate than the rest of us or cherry pick what our taxes are going towards.

 

[winc]

Oh it has sunk in, friend.

Blind, deaf, and elderly have to pay taxes for roads and they are not allowed to use them. Paying taxes that benefit our community, while not necessarily benefiting us, personally is part of life. It is unfortunate for you that you belong to a minority group in America - perhaps it used to be a majority, but not today. Tough.

Paying taxes are part of our duty as Americans - it is only the Rich and radically conservative that belief they are entitled to pay a lower rate than the rest of us or cherry pick what our taxes are going towards.

so you are determined to overide the majority and determined to impose the will of a small minority of Atheists and Humanists - winc

 

[aspen]

so you are determined to overide the majority and determined to impose the will of a small minority of Atheists and Humanists - winc

On the contrary, I am not complaining about the public school system or the process of textbook selection - you are. So what happen in your school district? the minority of humanists and atheist have been able to out vote the majority of Conservative Christians? Perhaps there are more people who do not adhere to conservative Christian beliefs about science and social issues than you think because your school board is elected by the people.

By the way, not everyone who is outside conservative christian circles is an atheist or humanist - do you believe it would be accurate for me to refer to all people who believe in conservative christian ideas as the 'wackjob fringe'?

 

[winc]

On the contrary, I am not complaining about the public school system or the process of textbook selection - you are. So what happen in your school district? the minority of humanists and atheist have been able to out vote the majority of Conservative Christians? Perhaps there are more people who do not adhere to conservative Christian beliefs about science and social issues than you think because your school board is elected by the people.

By the way, not everyone who is outside conservative christian circles is an atheist or humanist - do you believe it would be accurate for me to refer to all people who believe in conservative christian ideas as the 'wackjob fringe'?

I would agree that the majority would sooner latch on to what is way out,weird and wacky alternatives rather than the original for broad is the road. Sadly it seems most Christians neither know or care what the Christian doctrine is and that it is forbidden and anathema for Christians to accept or teach Origins evolution as fact - alas and sadly this would, also it seems, include the school boards and those who elect them - come home now - winc

 

[Ruth]

many well intended Christians are trying to create Gods Kingdom here on earth, that will never be, and was never God's plan.

this is not our home,..

our purpose as Christians is not fighting the teaching of evolution in schools, (unless it is a Christian school) or making un-believers follow the laws of a born again Christian,..

our purpose is to feed the poor, help the sick, the widow, the orphan, go to those in prison, love our enemies and neighbors, love our God with all our heart and mind, and share the gospel to all the world.

 

[winc]

many well intended Christians are trying to create Gods Kingdom here on earth, that will never be, and was never God's plan.

this is not our home,..

our purpose as Christians is not fighting the teaching of evolution in schools, (unless it is a Christian school) or making un-believers follow the laws of a born again Christian,..

our purpose is to feed the poor, help the sick, the widow, the orphan, go to those in prison, love our enemies and neighbors, love our God with all our heart and mind, and share the gospel to all the world.

not at all - this is exactly the problem - attending to side issues and side effects instead of dealing with the cause or foundation - in the parable of the good samaritan most Christians see themselves as the good samaritan instead of the one lying in the gutter all beaten up spiritually having fallen among atheists and humanists and some so called Christians also - twinc

 

[Ruth]

not at all - this is exactly the problem - attending to side issues and side effects instead of dealing with the cause or foundation - in the parable of the good samaritan most Christians see themselves as the good samaritan instead of the one lying in the gutter all beaten up spiritually having fallen among atheists and humanists and some so called Christians also - twinc

hi winc, Jesus warned His followers they would be hated because of His name, but we would get our strength from the Holy Spirit to stay strong in our faith, if you are "beaten up spiritually" I would suggest spending time with God, in prayer and fasting, not being concerned with the evils of this world.

He did not say to do battle with those who hate us, he said to pray for them, bless them, and love them.

our mission here on this earth is to love God with all our heart and mind, and to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. The prince of darkness runs the evil of the nations and those who do not submit to God, our battle is spiritual, not worldly.

may God bring you peace from the Holy Spirit.

 

[winc]

ok so lets not bother but pay to aid and abet and fall foul of Matt 18:6-7 - winc

 

[Foreigner]

Blind, deaf, and elderly have to pay taxes for roads and they are not allowed to use them. Paying taxes that benefit our community, while not necessarily benefiting us, personally is part of life.

-- That is only true because there is no other way to spend the tax dollars they put in to better benefit them/

People who pay their tax dollars in to support schools should have a say as to which school they want those funds to go to when it comes to their children. It is not that way - yet - but it should be.

If a school does it's job, it will get the students and thus the funding.
If the school sucks - like many do - and has substandard teachers because they are protected from being fired or demoted by teacher's unions, parent's should be allowed to take their student (and the tax dollars supporting that student) to a different school.

The chief complaint is that the public school won't be able to operate if a number of students leave, but that isn't actually the case.
The simple fact is that we are spending more money on education on a per-student basis than we ever have in history, but we are also getting worse scores than we ever have in history.

Let the money go to where a child actually learns.

If the school does its job, students will be there. If it doesn't, it is helping destroy the students future.

 

[Ruth]

ok so lets not bother but pay to aid and abet and fall foul of Matt 18:6-7 - winc

I did not suggest that all.

-- That is only true because there is no other way to spend the tax dollars they put in to better benefit them/

People who pay their tax dollars in to support schools should have a say as to which school they want those funds to go to when it comes to their children. It is not that way - yet - but it should be.

If a school does it's job, it will get the students and thus the funding.
If the school sucks - like many do - and has substandard teachers because they are protected from being fired or demoted by teacher's unions, parent's should be allowed to take their student (and the tax dollars supporting that student) to a different school.

The chief complaint is that the public school won't be able to operate if a number of students leave, but that isn't actually the case.
The simple fact is that we are spending more money on education on a per-student basis than we ever have in history, but we are also getting worse scores than we ever have in history.

Let the money go to where a child actually learns.

If the school does its job, students will be there. If it doesn't, it is helping destroy the students future.

the problem is not that most schools are not "doing their jobs", it is that most parents are not doing THEIR jobs in helping their kids with being disciplined to do home work, getting their children help in area's they have difficulty,

The area's schools do well, the parents themselves have a higher education, they are capable of helping their children with school studies.

Giving our tax monies to schools that do well in taking tests will not help the problem that most families are no longer involved. why? Because both parents are working and burned out, kids are left alone to video game, do drugs have sex, are not raised to know God, the families priorities are all messed up.

Most of the problems of this nation are do to the spiritual death that has taken place in this country. When God is forgotten, and the government starts taking on communist actions, we only produce very low income, uneducated people, or elitist to take control.

And this is sadly the direction our country is headed, but God is in control even though most of America believe they are the ones in control. /

 

[Foreigner]

the problem is not that most schools are not "doing their jobs", it is that most parents are not doing THEIR jobs in helping their kids with being disciplined to do home work, getting their children help in area's they have difficulty,

-- It is not "most parents" it is "some parents." And nowhere near the majority of parents.
Yes, some parents expect schools to be disciplnarians, babysitters, and educators and "phone it in" as far as parenting goes, but that is by no means the majority.

Just the facf that so many parents are willing to move their children to different schools and pay for tuition out of pocket, drop them off and pick them up because there is no bus service, and allow the school to set higher standards for performance and discipline shows your statement to be incorrect.

 

[winc]

the whole point being missed is at this stage and progressively and rapidly getting worse is because neither the parents,school board or teachers[school and church] know the very basic and fundamental christian teaching of creation or realise to accept or teach origins evolution is forbidden and anathema to and for Christians - to prove my point lets see how many know the Christian teaching on creation binding on Christians - winc

 

[aspen]

Ruth you are absolutely right! And winc - the idea that we are like the guy hurt on the road in the parable of the good Samaritan is so outrageous I can barely believe you suggested it. I am really sure that Jesus came to Earth to create a church of victims that are beat up by the world until He comes again. That is seriously messed up!

We are called to love the world - it is to our shame when secular groups do more for the hungry and the poor than Christ's church.

-- That is only true because there is no other way to spend the tax dollars they put in to better benefit them/

Says who? There are plenty of organizations that help the blind and the deaf - there is no reason why their taxes could not be diverted to those agencies.

But of course, that is not my point. The fact is, we, as citizens, are responsible for contributing our money to the greater community even if we do not benefit from the services directly. This is not a nation of individuals.

Most of the problems of this nation are do to the spiritual death that has taken place in this country. When God is forgotten, and the government starts taking on communist actions, we only produce very low income, uneducated people, or elitist to take control.

And this is sadly the direction our country is headed, but God is in control even though most of America believe they are the ones in control. /

This idea, I do not agree with. Our country is being run by corporations, not communists. It is corporations that are concerned with turning our population into consumers. You do not have to be too bright to be able to buy products you really do not need - only greedy.

 

[winc]

Ruth you are absolutely right! And winc - the idea that we are like the guy hurt on the road in the parable of the good Samaritan is so outrageous I can barely believe you suggested it. I am really sure that Jesus came to Earth to create a church of victims that are beat up by the world until He comes again. That is seriously messed up!

We are called to love the world - it is to our shame when secular groups do more for the hungry and the poor than Christ's church.



Says who? There are plenty of organizations that help the blind and the deaf - there is no reason why their taxes could not be diverted to those agencies.

But of course, that is not my point. The fact is, we, as citizens, are responsible for contributing our money to the greater community even if we do not benefit from the services directly. This is not a nation of individuals.



This idea, I do not agree with. Our country is being run by corporations, not communists. It is corporations that are concerned with turning our population into consumers. You do not have to be too bright to be able to buy products you really do not need - only greedy.

for some Christians the good Samaritan has rescued them but the others return to the road infested by rogues and robber and thieves and keep getting beaten up - you had better belief this and hope and pray the good Samaritan will pass by again and again - btw if you are the good Samaritan guess who your priest/vicar/pastor is in this parable ? - winc