Faith Alone is Dead

[robert derrick]

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

This is a primary principle in life among all the living in matters of faith, that is confirmed in Scripture.

This is not, as some suggest, a teaching of Scripture pertaining only to being a blessing to others, but is not pertaining to God saving our souls.

The principle is simple: there is no such thing as 'faith' in any matter nor for any purpose, that is alone without works.

Among men it's called being all talk and no show, all mouth, puts on a good show only, plenty of faith on the inside and nothing on the outside, he talks a good game but does nothing about it, and finally there is Missouri the Show Me state:

Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

God simply sums it up as dead, being alone.

The principle confirmed in Scripture therefore concludes that no man is saved by any faith alone:

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

And there is no faith of God that is alone, because God is not the God of the dead but of the living: the just that live by faith, not the dead that have faith alone.

 

[robert derrick]

Faith alone is only the faith of man, and not of God.

Faith alone that is dead, is the faith of man alone without God.

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Faith alone is dead and saves no man.

No man is saved by his faith alone, because it is his own faith he trusts in, not God.

 

[mailmandan]

We are saved by faith that trusts in Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Romans 4:5-6) and not by an empty profession of faith that demonstrates by the lack of works that it’s dead. (James 2:14)

 

[farouk]

We are saved by faith that trusts in Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Romans 4:5-6) and not by an empty profession of faith that demonstrates by the lack of works that it’s dead. (James 2:14)

Hebrews 11 and the examples of the faith of the OT saints give mighty evidence of how faith is accompanied by works, even if in the end it remains simple and profound faith.

 

[robert derrick]

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Faith alone is substance with no reality of works to prove it.

Faith and works is one and the same thing: it is the substance and the evidence working together:

Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

There is no substance without the evidence, even as there is no faith without the works.

Faith alone is the faith of a seed that will never grow, but is dead being buried in the ground without works to grow by.

Faith alone without works will never save the soul, because only by works is faith made perfect in the love of God for eternal salvation.

Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

By the fear of the Lord, faith does the work, and so faith alone has no fear of the Lord, being dead.

There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Faith of man alone has no fear of God, but only fear of man.

 

[Taken]

Faith Alone is Dead
OP ^

Jesus says:

Luke 7:
[50] And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

Mark 5:
[34] And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.

Luke 18:
[42] And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

Mark 10:
[52] And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.

Who ya going to Trust?

 

[mailmandan]

Hebrews 11 and the examples of the faith of the OT saints give mighty evidence of how faith is accompanied by works, even if in the end it remains simple and profound faith.

Good works are the fruit, by-product and demonstrative evidence of authentic faith.

 

[farouk]

Good works are the fruit, by-product and demonstrative evidence of authentic faith.

Indeed, as Ephesians 2.10 says.....(just after it says, 'not of works, lest any man should boast' in verse 9).

 

[Taken]

Good works are the fruit, by-product and demonstrative evidence of authentic faith.

Yes Agree. Good works do not SAVE a man. Faith in a man, SAVES a man.
Good works that Glorify God, can be Seen by men, and Shall be Rewarded BY the Son of man.

Matt 16:
[27] For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[robert derrick]

We are saved by faith that trusts in Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Romans 4:5-6) and not by an empty profession of faith that demonstrates by the lack of works that it’s dead. (James 2:14)

Good. Faith alone that is dead is not trusting in Jesus alone for eternal life.

Which is seen in obeying Him alone according to Scripture, not the traditions and commandments of men. (Matthew 15:9), (Titus 1:14)

 

[robert derrick]

Faith Alone is Dead
OP ^

Jesus says:

Luke 7:
[50] And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

Mark 5:
[34] And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.

Luke 18:
[42] And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

Mark 10:
[52] And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.

Who ya going to Trust?

Who ya going to Trust?

The faith of Jesus that saves, not the faith of man alone that is dead.

Them saved by the faith of Jesus were made whole and followed Jesus in the way to go and sin no more.

The faith alone that God judges as dead, is the faith of man only that does not obey Him, but only believes in being saved, not in being obedient in all things.

Since you cannot gainsay what is written about faith alone, then the question is: what faith are you going to trust?

The faith of Jesus that obeys Him, or your own alone that obeys not? or sometimes may obey and sometimes may not?

 

[robert derrick]

Good works are the fruit, by-product and demonstrative evidence of authentic faith.

I suppose, yet still no 'by-product', no faith.

However, the root, plant, and growth of the seed isn't normally called 'by-product', like some sort of unintended consequence. Like the opposite of collateral damage.

Why is the seed of God spoken of differently from reality of nature?

"Hey, look at this rosy by-product of a rose seed..."

Who talks like that? And more importantly, why?

The product of God's seed is commanded, and them born of His seed obey to produce the evidence thereof.

Them born of another seed of another faith is DOA in dirt that produces no fruit of righteousness of God, because it is alone not believing it must obey to be saved and obtain eternal salvation.

There is no salvation by faith alone, because faith alone cannot save:

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

 

[Enoch111]

No man is saved by his faith alone, because it is his own faith he trusts in, not God.

You continue to misrepresent and contradict the doctrine of justification by grace through faith PLUS NOTHING. Even after I fully refuted your false teaching in another thread you ignored that and went right back to posting another misleading thread. Which means that you are bound and determined to pervert the true Gospel and manufacture your own "gospel".

So that others will not swallow your false teachings here is what Scripture says in Ephesians 2:8-10:

1. JUSTIFICATION IS BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH + NOTHING
For by grace are ye saved through faith...

2. SALVATION IS THE GIFT OF GOD
...and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God...

3. WORKS ARE TOTALLY EXCLUDED
...Not of works, lest any man should boast...

4. THE ONE WHO IS JUSTIFIED IS ALSO REGENERATED
...For we are his workmanship...

5. GOOD WORKS FOLLOW REGENERATION
...created in Christ Jesus unto good works...

6. GOOD WORKS ARE ORDAINED FOR THOSE WHO ARE SAVED
...which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[robert derrick]

Yes Agree. Good works do not SAVE a man. Faith in a man, SAVES a man.
Good works that Glorify God, can be Seen by men, and Shall be Rewarded BY the Son of man.

Matt 16:
[27] For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

Glory to God,
Taken

Yes Agree. Good works do not SAVE a man.

So, them that do good works of God are fallen from grace?

Good works of God certainly do justify a man, and without justification of God, there is no salvation by God.

Faith alone trusts in being saved by God without being justified with God.

Faith in a man, SAVES a man.

I suppose you don't even realize that faith in a man is faith in man.

That's the problem with men that try to teach doctrine of Christ and saying things that have no Scripture for it.

Where is the Scripture that says "Faith in a man saves a man"?

Faith in a man saves no man.

If our faith is in being saved by our faith alone, then our faith is in ourselves, and saves nothing.

Only the faith of Jesus that obeys Him saves any man.

Faith in the man Christ Jesus to obey Him in all things, that faith saves and endures temptation unto the end.

The great error of faith alone, is men believing their faith is what saves them.

Just because we believe something and have that faith in us, does not mean we are believing God and having the faith of His dear Son in us.

 

[robert derrick]

You continue to misrepresent and contradict the doctrine of justification by grace through faith PLUS NOTHING. Even after I fully refuted your false teaching in another thread you ignored that and went right back to posting another misleading thread. Which means that you are bound and determined to pervert the true Gospel and manufacture your own "gospel".

So that others will not swallow your false teachings here is what Scripture says in Ephesians 2:8-10:

1. JUSTIFICATION IS BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH + NOTHING
For by grace are ye saved through faith...

2. SALVATION IS THE GIFT OF GOD
...and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God...

3. WORKS ARE TOTALLY EXCLUDED
...Not of works, lest any man should boast...

4. THE ONE WHO IS JUSTIFIED IS ALSO REGENERATED
...For we are his workmanship...

5. GOOD WORKS FOLLOW JUSTIFICATION (SALVATION)
...created in Christ Jesus unto good works...

6. GOOD WORKS ARE ORDAINED FOR THOSE WHO ARE SAVED
...which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

justification by grace through faith PLUS NOTHING.

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

You're a heretic, which is no big deal, because we all at some time or another have error in the doctrine of Christ; however, you have also shown yourself to be of no value to respond to, because you do not have enough adult respect to respond to the objections of others, but only go on in your own mantras of error.

But, it's a free sight, so you can go on still in posting your heresy.

 

[Mugre Pinzon]

Faith Alone is Dead
OP ^

Jesus says:

Luke 7:
[50] And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.

Mark 5:
[34] And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.

Luke 18:
[42] And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

Mark 10:
[52] And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.

Who ya going to Trust?

In each of these instances there was a decision or action (work) included that demonstrated the faith of the individual. Nevertheless, it was solely their faith that made them whole, saved them, etc.

 

[Enoch111]

But, it's a free sight, so you can go on still in posting your heresy.

As the majority of posters will let you know (sooner or later), you are really the heretic sowing seeds of spiritual confusion. You just ignored Scripture to make a personal attack. Did you even understand what that passage was saying in order to refute your NONSENSE?

 

[Taken]

Who ya going to Trust?

The faith of Jesus that saves, not the faith of man alone that is dead.

Them saved by the faith of Jesus were made whole and followed Jesus in the way to go and sin no more.

The faith alone that God judges as dead, is the faith of man only that does not obey Him, but only believes in being saved, not in being obedient in all things.

Since you cannot gainsay what is written about faith alone, then the question is: what faith are you going to trust?

The faith of Jesus that obeys Him, or your own alone that obeys not? or sometimes may obey and sometimes may not?

Really?
Discussing Faith on a Christian forum, needs be clarified it is Spiritual Faith?

 

[robert derrick]

SALVATION IS THE GIFT OF GOD...and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God...

The faith of Jesus is the gift of God.

The faith of man alone is the gift of the devil.

No man is 'gifted' salvation, but is given the faith of Jesus to obey God in all things, even as He did in the days of His flesh, that we might obtain eternal salvation and attain to the resurrection of the dead:

Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Being saved of God through the faith of Jesus and being justified with God by the works of His righteousness, are no more separated from one another than is loving God in the heart and loving our neighbor from the heart.

Those who trust in faith alone to save are not wise unto salvation:

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

Faith alone is foolish, because them that trust in their own faith alone, always make sure to equate works of man's righteousness by his own faith, with works of God's righteousness by His faith.

Faith alone is dead, because faith alone demonizes all works for eternal salvation, whether they be works of God that justifies a man, or works of man that please not God.

 

[Taken]

Yes Agree. Good works do not SAVE a man.

So, them that do good works of God are fallen from grace?

Did someone make that ridiculous claim?
Uh no.
So why are you wondering if that is so?