Fallen Angel's Seed

[TLHKAJ]

The bible clearly spells out what a child of God is, which is adopted thru Christ into God's family or in the OT a covenant. A son of God is nothing more than a child of God, but referring to a male child.

We weren't given "power to become sons of God" until Christ came. The only human called a "son of God" (other than Jesus Christ) was Adam, because he was created by God's hands. The rest of us are formed through procreation involving a man and a woman. Scripture refers to angels as sons of God, over and over.

Why do you suppose a godly man, in "covenant with God" would not desire to marry a woman who was in covenant with God? Why would a godly line bring about fallen ones (nephilim) who the Bible describes as very evil and large in stature?

 

[TLHKAJ]

This verse clearly refers to the seed of the woman (Jesus Christ) and the seed of the serpent (the Beast/anti-christ).

Genesis 3:15
[15]And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The word "seed" is referring to offspring.

 

[GEN2REV]

It's not about winning. I could be wrong about the Nephilim and who they were doesn't really affect our faith in Christ and salvation. It just doesn't make sense to me that God would create angels with the ability to procreate.
Moving on.
We certainly disagree in almost all areas of discussion that I have had with you, which makes me wonder about your faith
You are an Amillennialist, a Preterist, right? We got nowhere with that topic.
Other topics, like keeping the Sabbath was another. Okay the SDA's stress Sabbath keeping - but they are not Amillennialists.
You claim to be a Christian but in your following quote, your view is that everyone gets saved:
"It all makes perfect sense to me. God created a way for all of His creation to purify itself." GEN2REV
Did I perceive that correctly?
This is the view of a "Christian" who is a member of the Unitarian Universalisrt Church. Is that your church ???
Christianity is exclusive. Christ said there is one way to salvation and that way is believing in Him only. All other paths lead to destruction.
If everyone gets saved, Christ wouldn't have had to die. It's a quite liberating concept, that there are many paths to God and all get purified - even the fallen angels, but it really is contrary to fundamental Chrisitianity.

No, you're wrong in almost every single thing you said. And I know for a fact that you know you are, too.

Not a Preterist
Not SDA
Not a Universalist
Every single aspect of my beliefs is 100% Biblical. I have chosen zero doctrines of men that are not supported by Scripture and I cling to nothing that I cannot prove out through Scripture.

You mentioned Unitarian. Those who embrace the Trinity openly admit that their belief cannot be proven with Scripture and that one must simply embrace the mystery. HOG WASH.

And you're the only one who thinks I said that everybody gets saved.

When you purify precious metals, does it all get saved?

No, impurities, the dross, is a by-product of no value.

When mankind, and the angels, purify themselves by their decisions, the entire race gets purified by those that are dross, or impure, being cast aside ... and those that are the purest of the race getting saved and going on to live with the rest of God's heavenly creation that is holy and pure.

It's not difficult to understand what I was saying at all.

This is your usual M.O.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

This verse clearly refers to the seed of the woman (Jesus Christ) and the seed of the serpent (the Beast/anti-christ).

Genesis 3:15
[15]And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The word "seed" is referring to offspring.

I’m so confused. Regarding this thread and what “seed” is even how does fallen angels have seed. After reading your post I had to google: does a woman have seed? Genetically speaking? This was the first thing that came up on google: Identification of the "seed of the woman" with Jesus goes back at least as far as Irenaeus (180 AD), who along with several other Church Fathers regarded this verse as "the first messianic prophecy in the Old Testament". Serapion, the Bishop of Thmuis, wrote the following: The woman does not have seed, only man does
How do fallen angels have seed? Which are predominantly male or genderless? Is there a clear answer?

 

[GEN2REV]

The question of this thread can be summed up by saying that it really doesn't matter what somebody believes, or can prove, about what Genesis 6 says, all that matters is what is proven out by Scripture.

And Giants can be proven easily, and thoroughly, all throughout the Bible. Not just large men, as somebody claimed.

There have been 80 foot tall gallows built for Giants to be hung from, a 70 lb crown from a Giant King's head, 30 men to pull a Giant from a well, all the lands God commanded to be destroyed - killing every living thing - were full of Giants, all the lands surrounding David and Solomon's kingdoms were filled with Giants of all kinds - these Giants were made to serve them by David's defeating of them and they were also employed to build - and guard - the first Temple, the measurements of the first Temple are all massive in size - entryways as well as washing lavers that were way too tall for an average sized man, etc.

It goes on and on. I have pages full of verses that prove that Giants lived all throughout the OT and we have verses proving they lived in the NT as well. They exist to this very day.

When the evidence is considered, it doesn't matter what Genesis 6 says, it is clear that Giants were created outside of God's plan for mankind and they are a huge threat to modern science, specifically the fable of Evolution.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I’m so confused. Regarding this thread and what “seed” is even how does fallen angels have seed. After reading your post I had to google: does a woman have seed? Genetically speaking? This was the first thing that came up on google: Identification of the "seed of the woman" with Jesus goes back at least as far as Irenaeus (180 AD), who along with several other Church Fathers regarded this verse as "the first messianic prophecy in the Old Testament". Serapion, the Bishop of Thmuis, wrote the following: The woman does not have seed, only man does
How do fallen angels have seed? Which are predominantly male or genderless? Is there a clear answer?

Women produce eggs and men produce sperm. If you believe scripture, the woman has a seed ...in other words, the fruit of her womb. "Seed" is offspring (child, posterity).

This is what the Strong's says ....

Hebrew: זרע
Transliteration: zera‛
Pronunciation: zeh'-rah
Definition: From H2232; seed; figuratively {fruit} plant 6
sowing {time} posterity: - X {carnally} {child} {fruitful} seed ({-time}) sowing-time.
KJV Usage: seed (221x), child (2x), carnally (with H7902) (2x), carnally (1x), fruitful (1x), seedtime (1x), sowing time (1x).
Occurs: 229
In verses: 205

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Women produce eggs and men produce sperm. If you believe scripture, the woman has a seed ...in other words, the fruit of her womb. "Seed" is offspring (child, posterity).

This is what the Strong's says ....

Hebrew: זרע
Transliteration: zera‛
Pronunciation: zeh'-rah
Definition: From H2232; seed; figuratively {fruit} plant 6
sowing {time} posterity: - X {carnally} {child} {fruitful} seed ({-time}) sowing-time.
KJV Usage: seed (221x), child (2x), carnally (with H7902) (2x), carnally (1x), fruitful (1x), seedtime (1x), sowing time (1x).
Occurs: 229
In verses: 205

see though I’m not trying to be ugly but for the life of me …I can not understand how @friend of says Matthew 13:18-27 has nothing as all to do with how fallen angels have seed?

‘Hear you therefore the parable of the sower. [19] When any one hears the word of the kingdom, and understands it not, then comes the wicked one, and catches away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. [20] But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that hears the word, and anon with joy receives it; [21] Yet has he no root in himself, but endures for a while(a season): for when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, by and by he is offended. [22] He also that received seed among the thorns is he that hears the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. [23] But he that received seed into the good ground is he that hears the word, and understandeth it ; which also bears fruit, and brings forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. [24] Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: [25] But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. [26] But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. [27] So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not you sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

 

[TLHKAJ]

see though I’m not trying to be ugly but for the life of me …I can not understand how @friend of says Matthew 13:18-27 has nothing as all to do with how fallen angels have seed?

‘Hear you therefore the parable of the sower. [19] When any one hears the word of the kingdom, and understands it not, then comes the wicked one, and catches away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. [20] But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that hears the word, and anon with joy receives it; [21] Yet has he no root in himself, but endures for a while(a season): for when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, by and by he is offended. [22] He also that received seed among the thorns is he that hears the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. [23] But he that received seed into the good ground is he that hears the word, and understandeth it ; which also bears fruit, and brings forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. [24] Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: [25] But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. [26] But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. [27] So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not you sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

The previous parable was referring to the seed of the Word. But verse 24 begins another parable. In that parable, I believe it very well could be speaking of "wheat" and "tares" as being people and nephilim. This is why.

Look at the word meanings:

The word translated "seed" is this...
Greek: σπέρμα
Transliteration: sperma
Pronunciation: sper'-mah
Definition: From G4687; somethng sown that is seed (including the male sperm); by implication offspring; specifically a remnant (figuratively as if kept over for planting): - issue seed.
KJV Usage: seed (43x), issue (1x).
Occurs: 44
In verses: 41

The word translated "enemy" is this....
Greek: ἐχθρός
Transliteration: echthros
Pronunciation: ekh-thros'
Definition: From a primary word ἔχθω echthō (to hate);
hateful (passively odious or actively hostile); usually as a noun an adversary (especially Satan): - enemy foe.
KJV Usage: enemy (30x), foe (2x).
Occurs: 32
In verses: 32

The word translated "tares" is this...
Greek: ζιζάνιον
Transliteration: zizanion
Pronunciation: dziz-an'-ee-on
Definition: Of uncertain origin;
darnel or false grain: - tares.
KJV Usage: tares (8x).
Occurs: 8
In verses: 8

Who is God's adversary? Who are the wheat? Who are the tares? Tares are literally "false wheat."

I don't think there is just one application to this parable. It also could speak of the infiltration of servants of satan in the church.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Angels -- who are all masculine -- can and do take human form, which means a complete functioning human body. But they were not supposed to cohabit with human women, and that is why they are called "the angels which sinned" or "the angels which kept not their first estate". And they did have offspring, as the Bible clearly states. But because they went after "strange flesh" they are now in chains in their nether prison (Tartarus) awaiting their final judgment.

I believe these Angels that took on what looked like humans were not actually human, they only looked human. God's Only Begotten Son is the only spiritual person who came to the world of mankind who was actually human as the first Adam was human before he sinned. Now when these Angels procreated with human women, these angels being of one kind and the human women being of a different kind, the offspring they produced was a hybrid offspring who couldn't produced any offspring.

Tartarus which is a Greek word which comes from Greek mythology wasn't being used to try to prove that such a place actually existed but was using the word to describe the condition of these unfaithful Angels because of God's judgement. At 2 Peter 2:4, the use of the verb tar·ta·roʹo (to “cast into Tartarus”) does not mean that “the angels who sinned” were cast into the pagan mythological Tartarus (that is, in an underground prison and place of darkness for the lesser gods). Rather, it indicates that they were abased by God from their heavenly place and privileges and were delivered over to a condition of deepest mental darkness respecting God’s bright purposes. Darkness also marks their own eventuality, which the Scriptures show is everlasting destruction along with their ruler, Satan the Devil. Therefore, Tartarus denotes the lowest condition of abasement for those rebellious angels.

 

[bbyrd009]

I’m so confused. Regarding this thread and what “seed” is even how does fallen angels have seed. After reading your post I had to google: does a woman have seed? Genetically speaking? This was the first thing that came up on google: Identification of the "seed of the woman" with Jesus goes back at least as far as Irenaeus (180 AD), who along with several other Church Fathers regarded this verse as "the first messianic prophecy in the Old Testament". Serapion, the Bishop of Thmuis, wrote the following: The woman does not have seed, only man does
How do fallen angels have seed? Which are predominantly male or genderless? Is there a clear answer?

14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God

 

[Davy]

The Nephilim (i.e. from the Hebrew word naphal which means 'to fall') is what the Hebrew word for "giants" is in the KJV.

Gen 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
KJV

The phrase "men of renown" means 'men of the name, or legend'. What legend?

The 19th century Christian scholar E.W. Bullinger has an interesting Appendix on the Nephilim in The Companion Bible:


"Appendix 25 THE NEPHILIM, OR "GIANTS" OF Gen 6, &c
The progeny of the fallen angels with the daughters of Adam (see notes on Gen 6, and Ap. 23) are called in Gen 6, Ne-phil-im, which means fallen ones (from naphal, to fall). What these beings were can be gathered only from Scripture. They were evidently great in size, as well as great in wickedness. They were superhuman, abnormal beings; and their destruction was necessary for the preservation of the human race, and for the faithfulness of Jehovah's Word (Gen 3:15).
This was why the Flood was brought "upon the world of the ungodly" (2 Peter 2:5) as prophesied by Enoch (Jude 14).
But we read of the Nephilim again in Num 13:33: "there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, which come of the Nephilim". How, it may be asked, could this be, if they were all destroyed in the Flood? The answer is contained in Gen 6:4, where we read: "There were Nephilim in the earth in those days (i.e. in the days of Noah); and also AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became [the] mighty men (Heb. gibbor, the heroes) which were of old, men of renown" (lit. men of the name, i.e. who got a name and were renowned for their ungodliness).
So that "after that", i.e. after the Flood, there was a second irruption of these fallen angels, evidently smaller in number and more limited in area, for they were for the most part confined to Canaan, and were in fact known as "the nations of Canaan". It was for the destruction of these, that the sword of Israel was necessary, as the Flood had been before.
As to the date of this second irruption, it was evidently soon after it became known that the seed was to come through Abraham; for, when he came out from Haran (Gen 12:6) and entered Canaan, the significant fact is stated: "The Canaanite was then (i.e. already) in the land." And in Gen 14:5 they were already known as "Raphain" and Emim", and had established themselves at Asteroth Karnaim and Shaven Kiriathaim.
In ch. 15:18-21 they are enumerated and named among Canaanite Peoples: "Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites" (Gen 15:19-21; cp. Ex 3:8,17; 23:23. Deut 7; 20:17. Josh 12:8).
These were to be cut off, and driven out, and utterly destroyed (Deut 20:17. Josh 3:10). But Israel failed in this (Josh 13:13; 15:63; 16:10; 17:18. Judg 1:19,20,28,29,30-36; 2:1-5; 3:1-7); and we known not how many got away to other countries to escape the general destruction. If this were recognized it would go far to solve many problems connected with Anthropology.
As to their other names, they were called Anakim, from on Anak which came of the Nephilim (Num 13:23), and Rephaim, from Rapha, another notable one among them. From Deut 2:10, they were known by some as Emim, and Horim, and Zamzummim (v. 20, 21) and Avim, &c.
As Rephaim they were well known, and are often mentioned: but, unfortunately, instead of this, their proper name, being preserved, it is variously translated as "dead", "deceased", or "giants". These Rephaim are to have no resurrection. This fact is stated in Isa 26:14 (where the proper name is rendered "deceased," and v. 19, where it is rendered "the dead"). It is rendered "dead" seven times (Job 26:5. Ps 88:10. Prov 2:18; 9:18; 21:16. Isa 14:8; 26:19). It is rendered "deceased" in Isa 26:14.
It is retained as a proper name "Rephaim" ten times (two being in the margin). Gen 14:5; 15:20. Josh 12:15 (marg.). 2 Sam 5:18,22; 23:13.& b31 nbsp; 1 Chron 11:15; 14:9; 20:4 (marg.). Isa 17:5. In all other places it is rendered "giants", Gen 6:4; Num 23:33, where it is Nephilim; and Job 16:14, where it is gibbor (Ap. 14. iv). By reading all these passages the Bible student may know all that can be known about these beings.
It is certain that the second irruption took place before Gen 14, for there the Rephaim were mixed up with the five nations or peoples, which included Sodom and Gomorrha, and were defeated by the four kings under Chedorlaomer. Their principal locality was evidently "Ashtaroth Karnaim"; while the Emim were in the plain of Kiriathaim (Gen 14:5).
Anak was a noted descendant of the Nephilim; and Rapha was another, giving their names respectively to different clans. Anak's father was Arba, the original builder of Hebron (Gen 35:27. Josh 15:13; 21:11); and this Palestine branch of the Anakim was not called Arbahim after him, but Anakim after Anak. They were great, mighty, and tall (Deut 2:10,11,21,22,23; 9:2), evidently inspiring the ten spies with great fear (Num 13:33). Og king of Bashan is described in Deut 3:11."
(from E. W. Bullinger's Companion Bible: Notes and Appendices. Biblesoft Formatted Electronic Database Copyright © 2014 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

. And I know for a fact that you know you are, too

So you are sinning against me, calling me a liar. I am speaking what I believe and then just guessing about where you get this stuff.

Not a Preterist

Really?
These are your words from another thread on the Millennial Kingdom: "Yes, YOU believe that Revelation claims there will be a 1,000 year millennium, but Revelation is a book of visions and symbolism given to John while he was "in the spirit" and absolutely NONE of it is literal. NONE of it. Revelation 10:6 tells us all time will come to an end on the earth. How then can chapter 20 be telling us there will be an additional 1,000 years upon the earth?"
Don't you know what you believe?
There can be no words to better describe a Preterist, than your own!

Not a Universalist

You said everyone eventually gets purified.

Those who embrace the Trinity openly admit that their belief cannot be proven with Scripture and that one must simply embrace the mystery. HOG WASH.

You are a Non-Trinitarian too.

When mankind, and the angels, purify themselves by their decisions, the entire race gets purified by those that are dross, or impure, being cast aside ... and those that are the purest of the race getting saved and going on to live with the rest of God's heavenly creation that is holy and pure.

This is garbage. You claim everything you get is from the Bible - where is that?
Men do not purify themselves, Jesus' blood purifies us. We get washed spiritually, when we are born again. This is the power of God. We follow, obey and cooperate, but God makes us holy.
Where do you get this unorthodox stuff?

 

[GEN2REV]

The previous parable was referring to the seed of the Word. But verse 24 begins another parable. In that parable, I believe it very well could be speaking of "wheat" and "tares" as being people and nephilim. This is why.

Look at the word meanings:

The word translated "seed" is this...
Greek: σπέρμα
Transliteration: sperma
Pronunciation: sper'-mah
Definition: From G4687; somethng sown that is seed (including the male sperm); by implication offspring; specifically a remnant (figuratively as if kept over for planting): - issue seed.
KJV Usage: seed (43x), issue (1x).
Occurs: 44
In verses: 41

The word translated "enemy" is this....
Greek: ἐχθρός
Transliteration: echthros
Pronunciation: ekh-thros'
Definition: From a primary word ἔχθω echthō (to hate);
hateful (passively odious or actively hostile); usually as a noun an adversary (especially Satan): - enemy foe.
KJV Usage: enemy (30x), foe (2x).
Occurs: 32
In verses: 32

The word translated "tares" is this...
Greek: ζιζάνιον
Transliteration: zizanion
Pronunciation: dziz-an'-ee-on
Definition: Of uncertain origin;
darnel or false grain: - tares.
KJV Usage: tares (8x).
Occurs: 8
In verses: 8

Who is God's adversary? Who are the wheat? Who are the tares? Tares are literally "false wheat."

I don't think there is just one application to this parable. It also could speak of the infiltration of servants of satan in the church.

Interesting you came to Wheat and Tares doctrine. This is exactly where I was headed next.

I do believe the Wheat and Tares is a true story that Jesus relates, not a parable. If you look closely at it and the surrounding context, it does not have the signature of a parable at all.

Jesus also describes it, when asked, as being the Son of Man and the devil who are portrayed therein.

This could be a re-telling of the fall in the garden, just as much as the events in, and after, Genesis 6. It seems that there is an ongoing theme of the devil's kind copulating with human women to muddy the waters, if you will. To disrupt the DNA of mankind.

This also aligns well with all the instances throughout Scripture that point to Children of the devil, reprobates, belial, etc. Fascinating to imagine that there might actually be a genetic marker for those who are Tares; those who possibly are incapable of being saved.

The Bible is very clear that not all men are saved, nor even chosen (considered) for Salvation. God's harsh statements against sinners throughout the Bible also echoes an inherent disdain for certain people. Maybe some of us have traces of the devil's seed, maybe we all do ... and our challenge is to work to separate our souls from its tendencies, etc.

Whole lot more going on in this world, that the Bible does tell us about, but you'll never hear a peep of it in modern mainstream churchianity.

 

[GEN2REV]

14For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God

Apparently Sons of God has multiple meanings in light of Job 38:7.

 

[TLHKAJ]

The Nephilim (i.e. from the Hebrew word naphal which means 'to fall') is what the Hebrew word for "giants" is in the KJV.

Gen 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
KJV

The phrase "men of renown" means 'men of the name, or legend'. What legend?

The 19th century Christian scholar E.W. Bullinger has an interesting Appendix on the Nephilim in The Companion Bible:


"Appendix 25 THE NEPHILIM, OR "GIANTS" OF Gen 6, &c
The progeny of the fallen angels with the daughters of Adam (see notes on Gen 6, and Ap. 23) are called in Gen 6, Ne-phil-im, which means fallen ones (from naphal, to fall). What these beings were can be gathered only from Scripture. They were evidently great in size, as well as great in wickedness. They were superhuman, abnormal beings; and their destruction was necessary for the preservation of the human race, and for the faithfulness of Jehovah's Word (Gen 3:15).
This was why the Flood was brought "upon the world of the ungodly" (2 Peter 2:5) as prophesied by Enoch (Jude 14).
But we read of the Nephilim again in Num 13:33: "there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, which come of the Nephilim". How, it may be asked, could this be, if they were all destroyed in the Flood? The answer is contained in Gen 6:4, where we read: "There were Nephilim in the earth in those days (i.e. in the days of Noah); and also AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became [the] mighty men (Heb. gibbor, the heroes) which were of old, men of renown" (lit. men of the name, i.e. who got a name and were renowned for their ungodliness).
So that "after that", i.e. after the Flood, there was a second irruption of these fallen angels, evidently smaller in number and more limited in area, for they were for the most part confined to Canaan, and were in fact known as "the nations of Canaan". It was for the destruction of these, that the sword of Israel was necessary, as the Flood had been before.
As to the date of this second irruption, it was evidently soon after it became known that the seed was to come through Abraham; for, when he came out from Haran (Gen 12:6) and entered Canaan, the significant fact is stated: "The Canaanite was then (i.e. already) in the land." And in Gen 14:5 they were already known as "Raphain" and Emim", and had established themselves at Asteroth Karnaim and Shaven Kiriathaim.
In ch. 15:18-21 they are enumerated and named among Canaanite Peoples: "Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites" (Gen 15:19-21; cp. Ex 3:8,17; 23:23. Deut 7; 20:17. Josh 12:8).
These were to be cut off, and driven out, and utterly destroyed (Deut 20:17. Josh 3:10). But Israel failed in this (Josh 13:13; 15:63; 16:10; 17:18. Judg 1:19,20,28,29,30-36; 2:1-5; 3:1-7); and we known not how many got away to other countries to escape the general destruction. If this were recognized it would go far to solve many problems connected with Anthropology.
As to their other names, they were called Anakim, from on Anak which came of the Nephilim (Num 13:23), and Rephaim, from Rapha, another notable one among them. From Deut 2:10, they were known by some as Emim, and Horim, and Zamzummim (v. 20, 21) and Avim, &c.
As Rephaim they were well known, and are often mentioned: but, unfortunately, instead of this, their proper name, being preserved, it is variously translated as "dead", "deceased", or "giants". These Rephaim are to have no resurrection. This fact is stated in Isa 26:14 (where the proper name is rendered "deceased," and v. 19, where it is rendered "the dead"). It is rendered "dead" seven times (Job 26:5. Ps 88:10. Prov 2:18; 9:18; 21:16. Isa 14:8; 26:19). It is rendered "deceased" in Isa 26:14.
It is retained as a proper name "Rephaim" ten times (two being in the margin). Gen 14:5; 15:20. Josh 12:15 (marg.). 2 Sam 5:18,22; 23:13.& b31 nbsp; 1 Chron 11:15; 14:9; 20:4 (marg.). Isa 17:5. In all other places it is rendered "giants", Gen 6:4; Num 23:33, where it is Nephilim; and Job 16:14, where it is gibbor (Ap. 14. iv). By reading all these passages the Bible student may know all that can be known about these beings.
It is certain that the second irruption took place before Gen 14, for there the Rephaim were mixed up with the five nations or peoples, which included Sodom and Gomorrha, and were defeated by the four kings under Chedorlaomer. Their principal locality was evidently "Ashtaroth Karnaim"; while the Emim were in the plain of Kiriathaim (Gen 14:5).
Anak was a noted descendant of the Nephilim; and Rapha was another, giving their names respectively to different clans. Anak's father was Arba, the original builder of Hebron (Gen 35:27. Josh 15:13; 21:11); and this Palestine branch of the Anakim was not called Arbahim after him, but Anakim after Anak. They were great, mighty, and tall (Deut 2:10,11,21,22,23; 9:2), evidently inspiring the ten spies with great fear (Num 13:33). Og king of Bashan is described in Deut 3:11."
(from E. W. Bullinger's Companion Bible: Notes and Appendices. Biblesoft Formatted Electronic Database Copyright © 2014 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

Thank you for posting this, very detailed and very clear Biblically sound explanation around this subject or fallen angels, nephilim, etc. I have posted similar information recently in another thread.

Incidentally, when a woman is impregnated by a fallen angel, she does not (usually) carry the pregnancy nine months. Most of the time, they come to full maturity by about 4 months. But there are accounts of nephilim pregnancies being carried a full nine months. (These are more human-like in size and can pass in society as human.)

I know this sounds crazy to most folks, but these things are happening again today ....especially to those who are born into the MK programs. Incursions have taken place in my lifetime and shortly before, and that is part of what they used me for in ritual (on the altar) from age 3 ....to facilitate modern day incursions.

As the days of Noah were, so shall it be.....

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The previous parable was referring to the seed of the Word. But verse 24 begins another parable. In that parable, I believe it very well could be speaking of "wheat" and "tares" as being people and nephilim. This is why.

Look at the word meanings:

The word translated "seed" is this...
Greek: σπέρμα
Transliteration: sperma
Pronunciation: sper'-mah
Definition: From G4687; somethng sown that is seed (including the male sperm); by implication offspring; specifically a remnant (figuratively as if kept over for planting): - issue seed.
KJV Usage: seed (43x), issue (1x).
Occurs: 44
In verses: 41

The word translated "enemy" is this....
Greek: ἐχθρός
Transliteration: echthros
Pronunciation: ekh-thros'
Definition: From a primary word ἔχθω echthō (to hate);
hateful (passively odious or actively hostile); usually as a noun an adversary (especially Satan): - enemy foe.
KJV Usage: enemy (30x), foe (2x).
Occurs: 32
In verses: 32

The word translated "tares" is this...
Greek: ζιζάνιον
Transliteration: zizanion
Pronunciation: dziz-an'-ee-on
Definition: Of uncertain origin;
darnel or false grain: - tares.
KJV Usage: tares (8x).
Occurs: 8
In verses: 8

Who is God's adversary? Who are the wheat? Who are the tares? Tares are literally "false wheat."

I don't think there is just one application to this parable. It also could speak of the infiltration of servants of satan in the church.

“The previous parable was referring to the seed of the Word. But verse 24 begins another parable. In that parable, I believe it very well could be speaking of "wheat" and "tares" as being people and nephilim. This is why.”

If I understood correctly “the seed is the word” but then I don’t understand the change from “the seed is the word” in regard to wheat and tares.

Jeremiah 23:28 it is kind of long but worth it (Imo) The prophet who has a dream may relate [his] dream but let him who has My word speak in truth.
“What does the straw have[in common] with the grain?” Declares the LORD. “is not My word like fire?” Declares the LORD. “and like a hammer which shatters rock?”
“Therefore behold, I am against the prophets.” Declares the LORD, “who steal My words from each other.” “Behold I am against the prophets” declares the LORD. “Who use their tongues and declare “[the LORD] declares [He has said]”
“behold I am against those who prophesied false dreams.” Declares the LORD, and related them and led My people astray by their falsehoods and reckless boasting. Yet I did not send them, nor command them, nor do they furnish this people the slightest benefit.” Declares the LORD.

Going back to the passage earlier on Satan appears as an angel of light how is it any wonder that also his ministers; also appear as messengers of Christ but their end shall be according to …when speaking of “fallen angels” is there not any connection to those messengers as “fallen” ministers of Satan?
That was to clarify why I brought that verse up, hopefully not only pulling it out of thin air but there was a connection to falsehood (Imo).

if I’m not mistaken what is being stolen In Jeremiah 23:28 Is “seed” and that “seed” stolen is the “the word” in their saying “the Lord said”. Stealing from another the seed of God. (Until Christ be form in you). From the parable the devil comes and steals away the seed sown. For me it isn’t a clear answer to where the fallen angels get their “seed” for procreating ..But yet it does seem like they steal their words from where?
2 Corinthians 2:17

If you think of a father of lies, a liar and a thief …I can think of two profound times satan stole seed and corrupted it in claiming “the Lord has said” once with Eve in the garden “as a serpent” Twisting the words of God and the other in the wilderness when satan quoted the seed of the Word (tempting to corrupt the word of God, referred to as the temptation in the wilderness) in Luke 4:3-13 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread. [4] And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. [5] And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. [6] And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. [7] If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. [8] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. [9] And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence: [10] For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee: [11] And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. [12] And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. [13] And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.

 

[GEN2REV]

I could be wrong about the Nephilim and who they were doesn't really affect our faith in Christ and salvation. It just doesn't make sense to me that God would create angels with the ability to procreate.
Moving on.

He did though. He gave them the ability to take the form of anything they needed to for their purposes; and if semen contains the spiritual seed of its source, it's very easy to see how angels could procreate once they take a physical human form.

You're just refusing to accept the possibility because it's a threat to your chosen doctrines and the agenda you're here to support.

Giants came from fallen angels, just as Scripture says they did, and they were very prolific all throughout the world.

It's possible that the topic IS Salvific, actually, because if you refuse to believe what the Bible makes plain, you are rejecting Truth. And Jesus IS Truth.

David had his very own mighty men in his army that have so many amazing feats of warfare accomplishments, they don't all fit in the Bible. Other books had to be written to contain them and those have since been lost throughout the millennia.

Angels mated with human women repeatedly throughout the centuries, creating entire races, and nations, of Giants. Many made their way into North America, as well as other continents. There are countless legends, and stories, of Giants among the native peoples of the world on every continent. These Giants came from angels who copulated with human women and God created the angels in such a ways as to make this possible.

Angels is where the Giants came from. From intercourse with human women. God made that possible. And your salvation is in question if you refuse to believe that.

Millions of Giants. All from angels.

 

[David in NJ]

Okay so I don't understand something about the "Sons of God" (fallen angels) who left their first estate and came down to earth to procreate with human women.

Why? Why would they have the ability to pass on their genetic seed? We can be sure that angels did not procreate in heaven. So why and how did these fallen Angels suddenly get endowed with (testicles? I'm assuming?). I thought the angels were either without gender or predominantly male. But that still doesn't make much sense to me. How were they able to procreate with humans?

They left their "estate" = they came to our physical realm and took on physical bodies.

 

[GEN2REV]

Thank you for posting this, very detailed and very clear Biblically sound explanation around this subject or fallen angels, nephilim, etc. I have posted similar information recently in another thread.

Incidentally, when a woman is impregnated by a fallen angel, she does not (usually) carry the pregnancy nine months. Most of the time, they come to full maturity by about 4 months. But there are accounts of nephilim pregnancies being carried a full nine months. (These are more human-like in size and can pass in society as human.)

I know this sounds crazy to most folks, but these things are happening again today ....especially to those who are born into the MK programs. Incursions have taken place in my lifetime and shortly before, and that is part of what they used me for in ritual (on the altar) from age 3 ....to facilitate modern day incursions.

As the days of Noah were, so shall it be.....

Many don't realize this is what the movie Rosemary's Baby was about. And that was made back in what, the 50's?

They have been impregnating women with the seed of demons from the very beginning. It's probably a foundational theme to the Bible that is absolutely taboo in modern times because it gives so much away about the enemy's plans and intentions.

It ALSO seems to indicate the possibility of the DNA of the human race being infiltrated. That in itself is a major threat to the mainstream christian message being taught all over the world.

 

[David in NJ]

Thank you for posting this, very detailed and very clear Biblically sound explanation around this subject or fallen angels, nephilim, etc. I have posted similar information recently in another thread.

Incidentally, when a woman is impregnated by a fallen angel, she does not (usually) carry the pregnancy nine months. Most of the time, they come to full maturity by about 4 months. But there are accounts of nephilim pregnancies being carried a full nine months. (These are more human-like in size and can pass in society as human.)

I know this sounds crazy to most folks, but these things are happening again today ....especially to those who are born into the MK programs. Incursions have taken place in my lifetime and shortly before, and that is part of what they used me for in ritual (on the altar) from age 3 ....to facilitate modern day incursions.

As the days of Noah were, so shall it be.....

It only sounds 'crazy' to those whose minds have been blinded by religion that exalted itself above the Word of Truth and replaced the need of the Holy Spirit with carnal intellectualism.
This carnal intellectualism was pre-programmed and systematically perpetuated worldwide.