Fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks

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VictoryinJesus

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I'll link an article but u can find it all over the net now
How Rayshard Brooks Was Fatally Shot by the Atlanta Police

So the question is this... Did the officer have the right to shoot the man?

The cops weren't in danger. He was running away, too fast for them... BANG BANG BANG... DEAD
U can't shoot a man dead cos he is faster than u. One leg shot would of been sufficient to stop him, just one...

Do not understand why they didn’t shoot him in the leg ...doubtfully he would have ran then. Yet, still do not understand why then the burning down of Wendy’s. Did Wendy’s have something to do with the shooting?
 

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Do not understand why they didn’t shoot him in the leg ...doubtfully he would have ran then.
Too difficult to do with a pistol while running. The better option would have been to find a way to get the guy home in the first place.

Yet, still do not understand why then the burning down of Wendy’s. Did Wendy’s have something to do with the shooting?
People are angry....extremely angry...and fed up.
 

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Yet, still do not understand why then the burning down of Wendy’s.
And once you understand that Black Lives Matter (BLM) has nothing to do with making black lives matter, and everything to do with ARSON, LOOTING, VANDALISM, DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY, DESTRUCTION AND DEFACEMENT OF MONUMENTS AND STATUES, DESTRUCTION OF CHURCHES, VIOLENCE TO POLICE AND INNOCENTS, you will fully understand the nature of BLM, Antifa, and all other Radical Leftists Groups. There are about 75 operating in America right now, and their primary goal is the DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA. That is also the primary goal of Radical Islam, so they all work hand-in-hand.

Who is funding these so-called "protesters"? It is primarily George Soros (and probably other evil billionaires), who hate (1) America, (2) the Constitution, (3) democracy and the rule of law, (4) closed national borders, (5) Nationalism, (6) Conservatism, (7) Christians (8) Christianity, (9) Christ, and (10) God. He is working for Satan with his billions of dollars to utterly destroy America. See this article:

Origins of Antifa

Origins of Antifa

George Soros should have been targeted by Trump the day he assumed office. An independent Special Commission (outside the Washington DC Swamp) should have been set up to establish solid proof that Soros is undermining democracy in America (and worldwide) and establishing Leftists at every level of government. And Soros should have already been behind bars in a maximum security prison. Since Trump failed to do anything about Soros, he is now paying for it.
 
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Why where they with the man for 40 minutes? So long

Law

Why do cops make people do that weird stuff to see if their drunk? Our cops just use a brethilizer

Law

Why was Rayshard even running for when his car was there? The cops have the cars rego and therefore his address right?

Because he was an idiot

Secondly - as I understand it - police are not trained to shoot to disable,.

Yep. In this country I have always heard that when you point a gun make sure your willing to kill because shooting the bad guy to disable can be more dangerous for you. If the Police Officer feels his/her life in danger he/she can use lethal force. It is them or the prep and I would rather see a dead prep than a dead Police Officer
 
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Their is a huge difference between being "trained" and having an ego power-trip!

That is a biased Opinion.

Police are the so-called "trained" ones. They should not have any expectation that the "un-trained public" has training in specific steps to respond to the Police. If they get "adrenaline" over such interactions, they are unfit for their position.

Yipes. What are you saying? People have NO Reasonable Expectation of Acceptable and Unacceptablr Behavior of People at Large IN the Public?
An utter Ignorance or Decay in Society's Public Behavior?

Not all "verbal commands" are within the responsibilities or rights of the Officer to "Command"!
This is where the issue comes in, that the Bully, or Barnie Fife Officer gets a chip on their shoulder that the person will not "cooperate" with their bullying!

Bullying? What Bullying?
Stop, hand over your license, roll down the window, put you hands on the wheel or in the air, step out of the car, stand back, sit here, be quiet, lie down, put you hands behind your back, and many other commands the Officer uses to Assess a situation and encounter and his own safety, with the Public...
That's Bullying??

Not everything a Cop believes that they have a right to is a valid "command" even though in their arrogance, they do not see it that way! Police abuse this assumed "principle" all the time!

Arrogance? Biased Opinion.

Bad cop... bad effect!

Corrupt society ... Corrupt Effect.

A Citizen should use their Rights to not cooperate with the Officer! Where they are required to do so, they must,

Really? They Must?
The captured video showed the man REFUSING to sit in the Police Vehicle.

Police tried to force the man into the Police Vehicle ... guess the Officers could have said...hey his Bodily trunk in in the vehicle, to hell will him dangling his feet out of the vehicle...shut the door...???

but the Police do not differentiate being uncooperative where people have to, and where they do not.

Backwards...people do not differentiate when they are legally bound to comply with an Officers command...or exercise their Right to keep their mouth shut.

I do not have to answer any question I am asked...

Correct.

that is being "uncooperative"!

No, that is you making a choice to Exercise your Right to keep your mouth shut!

He was in HANCUFFS! What was he going to do? Waddle down the road?

Handcuffs are a restraint, not custody or necessarily control.

Why did they not just place him in the car?

Good question...WHY didn't the man choose to enter the car when told to? And instead chose to do everything to avoid entering the car ?

If he was on the ground, what justification would there be in putting a knee on his throat?

I see no justification for an Uncooperative cuffed man to have a knee placed on his Throat.
Even a nitwit should reasonably know Slight pressure on a "Throat" can impede air flow to a persons lungs.

When did anyone put a knee on another person's "THROAT" ?

What justification could the three witnessing policemen have for allowing a crime occur in front of them?

What crime?

What possible justification do they have for failing to look out for the health and safety and welfare of a detained man already in their custody?

The man's health and safety? You mean when the man notified Police he had a heart condition or had taken illegal stimulant drugs...so the Police could safely and adequately deal with an uncooperative person with a known heart condition or illegal drug user?

Oh wait...the man amid his uncooperation failed to mention his heart health condition or having stimulant drugs in his system.

Failure to OBEY their COMMANDS" is not a reasonable defense!

Really? You just said, there Are Commands a person MUST Obey....
And now you say there is No reasonable Defense "for" NON compliance of what a person MUST do.

That is a recipe for Lawlessness.

Brooks did not have a reason to "Cooperate," for no one has to say or do anything they feel might incriminate themselves.

Was a man being told to sit in a police car...or the man being cooperative and sitting the police car....incriminating?

Every person is supposed to be presumed as innocent until proven guilty in a court of law! These Cops were the Judge, the Jury, and the Executioners!

These Cops judged And Convicted the man of using a counterfeit 20$ bill? And then executed him for that? Eh...no.

Every person ...every person??? That's funny, the police Officers were CONVICTED in the Media!
When did the Media become the Courtroom?

Driving is a Privilege, not a right.

Correct. Driving while sleeping, or under the influence is neither a right or privledge.

Brooks was required to comply with presenting his license and registration, and to exit the vehicle. He did so.

Correct.

The problem is when Brooks attacked the UNPROFFESSIONAL Police Officers who allowed him to disarm one of them of their taser... a non-lethal weapon!

Uh, you are Blaming a cop Because a person Violated the Law BY Touching an Officer and his Gear?

That's ridiculous!

After he turned and the attack was over, the threat was no longer present! There would be no reason to shoot and kill someone for hurting your little Blue, butt-hurt Pride!

Conjecture and biased Opinion.

While neither dead Black person involved was "Cooperative" in every aspect, yet neither were a direct threat to anyone's lives when they were murdered by the Police!

I don't give a flip what color a man's skin is, and notice you have decided a Police Officer has Commited murder, without a Courtroom ruling.

So as Judge and Jury...when do you expect you will be sentencing an execution?

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Yipes. What are you saying? People have NO Reasonable Expectation of Acceptable and Unacceptablr Behavior of People at Large IN the Public?
An utter Ignorance or Decay in Society's Public Behavior?

no, I am saying that the Police are the paid "professionals" in the room! They have the onus of dealing properly with suspects, and should understand that they have to be the Grown-ups in the room where "acceptable behavior" has no standard.


Corrupt society ... Corrupt Effect.

Corrupt Cops.. Corrupt Effect

When did anyone put a knee on another person's "THROAT" ?

The video has been out for three weeks now.



The man's health and safety? You mean when the man notified Police he had a heart condition or had taken illegal stimulant drugs...so the Police could safely and adequately deal with an uncooperative person with a known heart condition or illegal drug user?

You mean begging and pleading that he could not breath, as a Cop demonically smirked and ignored his needs? You mean, "that" man?

Oh wait...the man amid his uncooperation failed to mention his heart health condition or having stimulant drugs in his system.

No, the man they ignored and continued to torture on the ground while he was cuffed and helpless.

These Cops judged And Convicted the man of using a counterfeit 20$ bill? And then executors him for that?
Don't forget, they murdered him too!

Every person ...every person??? That's funny, the police Officers were CONVICTED in the Media!
When did the Media become the Courtroom?

Not soon enough! It is obvious that the Police investigating themselves had covered up Police Crime for a century!


Uh, you are Blaming a cop Because a person Violated the Law BY Touching an Officer and his Gear?

His gear is his primary responsibility! Sorry, but if you allow someone to take your weapons from you, and potentially use them on you, you deserve what you get! You are incompetent and should never have been in the job to begin with!

I don't give a flip what color a man's skin is, and notice you have decided a Police Officer has Commited murder, without a Courtroom ruling.

We have the video. We have the facts:

1). He ran...
2). he fired a non-lethal taser while running.
3). a cop shot him in the back and killed him.

None of these facts are in dispute.

Now, change the scenario and place Joe Blow in this situation instead of the misty fog of Blue purity in the air!

If I were outside of Wendy's and the video camera recorded that I was attacked..., Disarmed of a taser...

1). The culprit ran
2). He fired a non-lethal taser at me while running.
3). and I shot him in the back and killed him.

And the Police show up. What do you think happens? So as Judge and Jury...when do you expect you will be sentencing an execution?
 

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no, I am saying that the Police are the paid "professionals" in the room!
So? People in public have a responsibility and accountability for their choices.

They have the onus of dealing properly with suspects, and should understand that they have to be the Grown-ups in the room where "acceptable behavior" has no standard.

Grownup? Was the cop throwing bottles, bricks, spitting, pulling hair, chanting na, na, na, na, na or performing some other other elementary behavior?

The video has been out for three weeks now.

Uh huh, your point? An Officers knee on the side of a man neck.

The "Throat" is located on the FRONT of a person's Neck.

Your claim of an officers knee was on a man's throat is not revealed in a video.

You mean begging and pleading that he could not breath,

A person who can not Breath, can not physically speak.

as a Cop demonically smirked

Another biased irrelevant Opinion.

No, the man they ignored and continued to torture on the ground

Another biased irrelevant Opinion.

Don't forget, they murdered him too!

Forget? Forget is suggesting I knew "they" and "knew" someone was murdered.
I never said I KNEW any such thing...to warrant being warned not to forget it!

His gear is his primary responsibility! Sorry, but if you allow someone to take your weapons from you, and potentially use them on you, you deserve what you get! You are incompetent and should never have been in the job to begin with!

Wow...according to you, an Officer of the Law whose gear is stolen from him DESERVES what the Thief dishes out to the Officer.

Astounding!

We have the video. We have the facts:

1). He ran...
2). he fired a non-lethal taser while running.
3). a cop shot him in the back and killed him.

None of these facts are in dispute.

And? So? A man Committed a Crime and ran...And Police subdued the Criminal....which is the Officers JOB.

Ignored your scenario. It is not your Authorized JOB to subdue Fleeing Crime suspects.

You are presenting yourself as IF your sympathy has muttled your Natural instinctive knowledge between Right and Wrong.

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I'll link an article but u can find it all over the net now
How Rayshard Brooks Was Fatally Shot by the Atlanta Police

So the question is this... Did the officer have the right to shoot the man?

The cops weren't in danger. He was running away, too fast for them... BANG BANG BANG... DEAD
U can't shoot a man dead cos he is faster than u. One leg shot would of been sufficient to stop him, just one...

Pretty sure the shots fired were FOR an assault on an Officer and then the man taking a chance he could Flee and avoid being accountable for assaulting an Officer.

People do Crazy things when trying to Avoid Accountability.

Last year, a working man began to stop being accountable to pay the household bills and buy food for his wife and baby.
The mom took herself and baby to her parents house.
The man showed up...KILLED the Moms Father, Grandfather, Mom, baby and Himself.
(The mother heard the commotion and hid and her life spared)... justice for this heartful grieving woman? None. Costs of funeral(S) and Costs of paying and managing a home she can not afford or sell to any eager buyers wanting to buy a home with a massacre history.

Not saying the man (you speak of) "deserved" to be shot, but should have had a reasonable Expectation, His choice to assault an Officer and then flee would NOT End favorable for him.

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Pretty sure the shots fired were FOR an assault on an Officer and then the man taking a chance he could Flee and avoid being accountable for assaulting an Officer.
"Fleeing accountability" is not a justification for use of deadly force. Otherwise police would shoot everyone who runs.
 

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"Fleeing accountability" is not a justification for use of deadly force. Otherwise police would shoot everyone who runs.

Subjective.
Each state Has Its own laws for Police use of deadly force and Justification.
Are you familiar with the laws of every single state?

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Subjective.
Each state Has Its own laws for Police use of deadly force and Justification.
Are you familiar with the laws of every single state?

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Show me a state where merely fleeing is justification for use of deadly force.
 

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I think the biggest problem is something you outlined here, we only ever see a small segment and assume we know everything and so make a rash judgement without knowing anything. In this modern society we like to judge on scant little evidence on our feelings instead of using rationality. Just as the people responded with emotions and burned downed Wendy's (those people should be arrested for arson) because emotions trump all. Emotions will be the death of America nd the human race. My opinion only we should jettison our emotions
The media tells everyone how to feel, and feeds them a narrative, and what I've been seeing is that it just gets swallowed like a big gulp of poison.

The guy just overpowered 2 cops, stole one's taser, used it against one of them, and fled with this potentially lethal weapon having just displayed the willingness to use it.

And what I don't understand is why he would risk his life, or hard prison time, to avoid a DUI? What else was going on?

Much love!
 

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And once you understand that Black Lives Matter (BLM) has nothing to do with making black lives matter, and everything to do with ARSON, LOOTING, VANDALISM, DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY, DESTRUCTION AND DEFACEMENT OF MONUMENTS AND STATUES, DESTRUCTION OF CHURCHES, VIOLENCE TO POLICE AND INNOCENTS, you will fully understand the nature of BLM, Antifa, and all other Radical Leftists Groups. There are about 75 operating in America right now, and their primary goal is the DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA. That is also the primary goal of Radical Islam, so they all work hand-in-hand.

Who is funding these so-called "protesters"? It is primarily George Soros (and probably other evil billionaires), who hate (1) America, (2) the Constitution, (3) democracy and the rule of law, (4) closed national borders, (5) Nationalism, (6) Conservatism, (7) Christians (8) Christianity, (9) Christ, and (10) God. He is working for Satan with his billions of dollars to utterly destroy America. See this article:

Origins of Antifa

Origins of Antifa

George Soros should have been targeted by Trump the day he assumed office. An independent Special Commission (outside the Washington DC Swamp) should have been set up to establish solid proof that Soros is undermining democracy in America (and worldwide) and establishing Leftists at every level of government. And Soros should have already been behind bars in a maximum security prison. Since Trump failed to do anything about Soros, he is now paying for it.
Soros should be tried for crimes against the US, and his assets seized. Just my opinion!
 
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Too difficult to do with a pistol while running. The better option would have been to find a way to get the guy home in the first place.


People are angry....extremely angry...and fed up.

Get that. But burning down the Wendy’s because of being angry is not an excuse. Not trying to diminish that he was shot in the back while running away and the questions as to why? Or even being “fed up” but I could see their point a whole lot better if they were not burning down something which had nothing to do with it. That would be like the cops stopping someone in my drive way and when they resist arrest and are shot ... then protesters burn down my home just because it happed in my drive way. That it is seen as an excuse by those claiming “fed up” with all the excuses from the cops, is no excuse. It is difficult to sympathize or even want to hear from arsonist claiming they stand for what is right...
 

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Get that. But burning down the Wendy’s because of being angry is not an excuse. Not trying to diminish that he was shot in the back while running away and the questions as to why? Or even being “fed up” but I could see their point a whole lot better if they were not burning down something which had nothing to do with it. That would be like the cops stopping someone in my drive way and when they resist arrest and are shot ... then protesters burn down my home just because it happed in my drive way. That it is seen as an excuse by those claiming “fed up” with all the excuses from the cops, is no excuse. It is difficult to sympathize or even want to hear from arsonist claiming they stand for what is right...
Watch this (warning, strong language) and maybe it'll help you understand the level of frustration and anger that's behind much of what's going on....

 

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Do not understand why they didn’t shoot him in the leg ...doubtfully he would have ran then.

Hi VictoryinJesus...

Please see posts #13 (Fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks ) and post #16 (Fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks ) for some explanations on why shooting in the leg is not an option. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have if you have any. In short the idea of shooting in the leg gets its unrealistic expectation of what can be done with handguns from movies - just another area that we have been deceived subtlety by the entertainment industry.
 

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I think the biggest problem is something you outlined here, we only ever see a small segment and assume we know everything and so make a rash judgement without knowing anything. In this modern society we like to judge on scant little evidence on our feelings instead of using rationality.

This is so good - it deserves to be posted again!

If I could add to this - the other biggest problem that works in conjunction with this is people's refusal to try and understand another perspective, and will fight with their own opinions and logic without any desire to try and understand another perspective. (Especially the perspective of people that they are 'attacking'). This is damaging our countries in a huge way.

What's worse - is that I see the same issues plastered throughout this forum. I'm not meaning to attack, but just to say that I can't help but wonder - if we, as Christians who should be humble, and strive for understanding and peace end up carry on the way that some do here - without the capability to at least respectfully consider another perspective - what expectation can we have that the lost will be any better?

I have my suspicions that a lot of what we're seeing in the world is a result of the state of the church - not the state of the unsaved, and that the solution to many of the problems we're seeing is that we as the church need to start dealing with our own problems first in our own personal lives.
 

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What's disturbing about the video is that Mr. Brooks was shot in the back, after he'd already discharged the taser. So whatever threat the officer thought he posed by having the taser no longer existed.

But I still think the whole thing could have easily been avoided if they'd just found a way for him to get home safely (as I've seen police do many times).
 

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The media tells everyone how to feel, and feeds them a narrative, and what I've been seeing is that it just gets swallowed like a big gulp of poison.

The guy just overpowered 2 cops, stole one's taser, used it against one of them, and fled with this potentially lethal weapon having just displayed the willingness to use it.

Agree.

And what I don't understand is why he would risk his life, or hard prison time, to avoid a DUI? What else was going on?

Much love!

Personally , I don't know or care whatelse if anything was going on with him. Everyone has issues going on.

He made a really bad choice...I don't care if he had a reason or excuse or what it was.

He took a risk and put a small value on his own life. What he chose to risk, while sad for his family and friends, makes no impact on me whether he risked his life or risked a dollar on craps.
That's the Beauty of Freewill. Anyone can do as they please, with whatever they are willing to Risk.

Glory to God,
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@VictoryinJesus this is another example of why people are so angry....

VA police apologize for arresting Black pastor who called 911 on white family attacking him

On June 1, Virginia pastor Dr. Leon McCray Sr. of Woodstock, Virginia, says he was visiting an apartment property he owned in nearby Edinburg when he came across a couple who were illegally dragging a refrigerator to his dumpster. After confronting McCray, the couple left and came back with three more people. All five people were white, while Pastor McCray is Black. McCray says the group surrounded him and then began slamming Black Lives Matter and telling McCray: “We would kill you.”

According to The Washington Post, it was at this point that things got really racist. The 61-year-old McCray, a 24-year Air Force master sergeant, pulled out a concealed handgun that he is legally permitted to carry. According to McCray, this gave him the opportunity to call 911. However, when law enforcement responded, they handcuffed and arrested McCray for “brandishing a gun.” McCray was on his own property, holding a gun that he was legally permitted to carry, while five white trespassers reportedly continued to throw racial epithets at him. “All this happened on my property. I said, what about the trespassing and the assault?”​

That's exactly what Kimberly Jones was talking about in that video when she said the people who are supposed to fix things (i.e., the police) only make it worse.