Fatal shooting of Rayshard Brooks

[Renniks]

Too difficult to do with a pistol while running. The better option would have been to find a way to get the guy home in the first place.


People are angry....extremely angry...and fed up.

So burning down s fast food joint is the logical course of action, because we all know Wendy is racist. She's just too Caucasian.

 

[Justadude]

So burning down s fast food joint is the logical course of action, because we all know Wendy is racist. She's just too Caucasian.

I doubt there was a logical "if this, then that" process going on. Likely more of an outburst of emotion.

 

[Renniks]

I doubt there was a logical "if this, then that" process going on. Likely more of an outburst of emotion.

And that's the problem. Irresponsible people acting on emotions equals mob rule.

 

[Justadude]

And that's the problem. Irresponsible people acting on emotions equals mob rule.

It's one of those situations where I have to remind myself that I have no way of truly understanding. Yes it's criminal, yes the perpetrators should be held to account, but I also think it would be wise for us as a society to address the underlying factors that are causing so much widespread anger, frustration, and hopelessness in so many people (and has been for so long).

 

[Taken]

They do train, but not as much as they should. Still, stress and panic affects the first shot. The issue I believe is that most are trained to unload and not stop until the subject is down. Of course, If I were to do that, even in legitimate self-defense, it would be called "excessive" and "unreasonable." But if the goal is to use an entire magazine all at once, there will be waste.

The study I saw was that police were less than 70%, and Concealed Carry incidents where someone was shot, was near 90%
Surely, if the Police have more training, and their job prepares them to expect a situation that may require shooting someone... wouldn't they be better prepared than the Average Joe who occasionally fires and is not expecting a crisis every day? I believe their policy of shooting excessively causes sloppy marksmanship. I cannot imagine that a Police Officer is a worse shot than I am, or that they are not more mentally prepared for such a situation than I am.

Police Training is set by Individual state Laws.
An Officer can have a lengthy Career and Never upholster his gun on duty.
Officers Regularly Shoot and clean their Guns at Ranges, practicing on Paper Targets of A stationary Body Mass and Head siloutte.

That practice keeps them trained on body mass and head while keeping familiar use of their gun.

Officers also continue working out in boxing, wrestling, practicing Strong holds, defense moves ON EACH Other.

Many Training Cadets are faced forward standing still and are Pepper Sprayed in the face...as well some without resistance are tazed.

In a Live situation...the Resisting, squirming, wrestling, Uncooperative Individual could be strong held, tazed, wrestled, in other words subdued according to the Manner they Resist and can maintain the safety of the Officer.

Officers dealing with Any other person, First are going to Unarmed the Individual of anything that could harm the officer...guns, knives, knuckles, pepper spray, needles, drugs, screwdrivers, rocks, whatever.

After that- the Officer has NO idea at Any given point what an individual may or may not do.

It is the Individual's choice of Behavior of What Tactic or Force an Officer Will Use.

It is Complaining AFTER THE FACT (grieving family), and MOB mentality...not present, video clips, National public media Trials that Impede Justice in a court of Law.

Where in any Court in the US will ... ANY accused (individual or Officer) receive an Unbiased Just Courtroom Trial?

In a current "Media Case"...
One person is dead and Officers have been Fired, Slandered, Threatened and Convicted outside of a Court of Law.

You can NOT prepare an Officer to KOWN what any Individual MAY choose to do at any given moment.
You can not Prepare an Officer to Shoot at a "LIVE" running, wiggling Target, with UnLive Targets.

Officers continue practicing... with the facilities and defense gadgets they are provided. They use those facilities on their own off-duty Time....<--- That is practicing.
Cadets, are in Training.

You challenge an Officer possibly being a worse shot than you. Do you regularly shoot and hit people in flight?

"Excessive" and "unreasonable"...are SUBJECTIVE and OBJECTIVE "AFTER THE FACT" terms used by Someone else Not present or standing in the Shoes of the Officer AT the Time the Officer is faced with an uncooperating individual AND the natural Bodily function of Adrenaline.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Cristo Rei]

Disagree.
I would say supposed "police Brutality" is more of A LOUD Accusation by a Few, rather than A Fact.

You don't consider what they did to Floyd as being brutal? What about Aussie girl Justine Damond?

Over 1,000 Americans die each year from a police shooting, the next highest country is under 100.
How do u account for such a large difference?

When I watch those American cop shows im always astounded on the heavy handed approach used by the cops. I see brutal cops

 

[Renniks]

It's one of those situations where I have to remind myself that I have no way of truly understanding. Yes it's criminal, yes the perpetrators should be held to account, but I also think it would be wise for us as a society to address the underlying factors that are causing so much widespread anger, frustration, and hopelessness in so many people (and has been for so long).

Hogwash. You are a human being, so you are capable of understanding. What underlying factors are you talking about? This is the land of opportunity. This nonsense about oppression is ridiculous. Hey, I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I've had to work hard just to pay my bills. I don't have any slaves to do my work for me. If there's frustration it's not about race, it might be about people losing business because of virus or about any number of setbacks in life, but Wendy didn't do that. The police shooting a criminal for pointing a weapon at them isn't cause for more criminal activity.
People need to stop blaming every one else for thier lack of drive, stop blaming society and take responsibility.

 

[Renniks]

You don't consider what they did to Floyd as being brutal? What about Aussie girl Justine Damond?

Over 1,000 Americans die each year from a police shooting, the next highest country is under 100.
How do u account for such a large difference?

When I watch those American cop shows im always astounded on the heavy handed approach used by the cops. I see brutal cops

American cop shows.. are you talking about fiction?
What should one do against a big man high on dope resisting arrest?

 

[Justadude]

Hogwash. You are a human being, so you are capable of understanding. What underlying factors are you talking about? This is the land of opportunity. This nonsense about oppression is ridiculous. Hey, I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I've had to work hard just to pay my bills. I don't have any slaves to do my work for me. If there's frustration it's not about race, it might be about people losing business because of virus or about any number of setbacks in life, but Wendy didn't do that. The police shooting a criminal for pointing a weapon at them isn't cause for more criminal activity.
People need to stop blaming every one else for thier lack of drive, stop blaming society and take responsibility.

I'm not so naive that I think a minority group overcoming centuries of overt systemic racism is simply a matter of "taking personal responsibility".

 

[Prayer Warrior]

My guess is that more of the one's who are quitting are the good ones who care but just can't stand it anymore. It's the disenfranchisement of good but increasingling disillusioned police officers. That's not only a heartbreaker, but bad for all of us.

Much love!

You're probably right. I saw this trend as a public school teacher.

 

[Cristo Rei]

American cop shows.. are you talking about fiction?

Like the TV show called "COPS" where a camera man goes on patrol with the police, your from the states u should know

What should one do against a big man high on dope resisting arrest?

The cop did what he did with Mr Brooks.
I was responding to someone that was saying that police brutality doesn't exist in America. Do u think it does?

 

[marks]

You're probably right. I saw this trend as a public school teacher.

My wife is an instructional aide in the public school district. Same thing there. The pool has vastly deteriorated.

Much love!

 

[Candidus]

You challenge an Officer possibly being a worse shot than you. Do you regularly shoot and hit people in flight?

I am accountable to work within the Rules of Engagement. Shooting unarmed people in the back would put me in Prison!

 

[Taken]

You don't consider what they did to Floyd as being brutal?

Knee to the neck? Knee to the back? Cuffed?
Trying to get him into the police car? Escorting him out of his car? Sitting him on the sidewalk? No I do not see that as Brutal.

What about Aussie girl Justine Damond?

Never heard of her. And have no knowledge of Australian state laws.

Over 1,000 Americans die each year from a police shooting, the next highest country is under 100.

And nearly 14,000 die of gunshot by people other than an Officer...and another 22,000 from self suicide shootings...estimates yearly.

And thousands more die from drug overdoses, stabbings, drownings, beatings, strangulation, fires, auto crashes, Falls, diseases, old age...ETC.

How do u account for such a large difference?

I don't. Just comparing an estimated number between different countries is NOT Accounting.
Accounting would be All prevalent Data...
Size of population, living style, all wadded up in cities?, culture, race all the same, religion all the same, Free person's or under a dictatorship, educated, inventative, disciplined or slouches, and ON and on...and Compare to the US? where everything under the Rainbow lives here in Freedom?
There are Laws...and everyone IS Free to Obey the Laws OR NOT!
Some kids at 10 yrs old are taught How to use a gun...and Some Adults are scared to handle a gun let alone own one.
Every person is at Liberty to Do what they want...And then Reap the Reward or Consequences for their own Choices.
Take care of your own, Leave Others Things and Person and Property Alone, and you have very little to do with any US Government This typically goes hand in hand with learning how to use a gun, own a gun, and BE prepared to defend your family and property from intrusion).
BUT
Steal, Cheat, Deceive Others (including family members)...and you will find yourself with Others, even neighbors, and family members ...your enemy...and Often the Government becoming part of your daily life...
(Courts, fees, fines, warrants, arrests, jail, prison, etc.)
Everything hinges on individual Choices...

When I watch those American cop shows im always astounded on the heavy handed approach used by the cops. I see brutal cops

Well there are Law Enforcement departments of every nature in the US.
Small town (and County) sheriffs, deputies; state police, city police, Federal law enforcement agencies in DC and onclaves within the states...
It is a cluster of jurisdictions for small range and long ranges. Their historical data bases (records) use to be exclusive to their jurisdiction. So a thug could commit a crime in one jurisdiction and flee to another jurisdiction where they had no record of Wrong doing. (Sharing among jurisdictions and compliance, has a great difference in apprehending criminals)...
There is also SWAT Teams. (Special Weapons and Tactics) They are available for more serious crimes such as Hostage situations.

All of these people, (investigators, detectives, SWAT, city, county, state, Are in the general sense called Cops...ANYTHING of Law enforcement...police, secret Service, CIA, FBI, etc. are referred to as the Feds.

TV shows: all kinds of Cop TV shows. And all of them will have Cops drawing guns routinely.
It's entertainment. It's not entertaining to see a Cop driving 25mph through a neighborhood Waving hello and getting a glass of lemon aid from a stay at home mother wearing a dress and cutting roses from her flower garden.
Cop shows have an element of a Criminal and How to solve a crime and identify and Subdue the criminal, in 30 minutes.
And the range goes from very Forceful to almost relaxed...dependent upon How the criminal Actor is Supposed to behave willingly or Not.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

I am accountable to work within the Rules of Engagement. Shooting unarmed people in the back would put me in Prison!

What don't you get?
You are Not Authorized to apprehend criminals in the Public.
The man was NOT unarmed!

 

[Taken]

...but I also think it would be wise for us as a society to address the underlying factors that are causing so much widespread anger, frustration, and hopelessness in so many people (and has been for so long).

It is addressed...
Psychology (experts) have been peddling for Years...
Talk to a shrink...Rehab...Rehab again...Rehab again and again and again...
Gets you wormed out of a sentence...and eh you get out of rehab and nothing has changed. AA meetings, All kinds of specialized meetings and facilities AND of course a string of chemical compounds to zombie-ize people to "overcome" their underlying unacceptable urges.

 

[Renniks]

I'm not so naive that I think a minority group overcoming centuries of overt systemic racism is simply a matter of "taking personal responsibility".

You are what you make of yourself. Not what Daddy did, or Grandaddy did, or what your momma did. As for overt racism, that was the reality for everyone from the Blacks, to Jews, to Irish to Chinese that came here, and I could go on adding races. They were all "oppressed" in one way or another. And many of the blacks who came from Africa were sold to slave traders by other blacks, so they were already slaves in their own country. Are they protesting that? If we are responsible for what our ancestors did, we would all have to apologize to ourselves, because I'm sure we have both slave owners and slaves in our histories. The advantage of a melting post is that we are not supposed to find our identity in our race, but in being American. And this goes double for Christians because their only true identity is in Christ.

 

[Renniks]

was responding to someone that was saying that police brutality doesn't exist in America. Do u think it does?

In rare instances, but not systematically.

 

[Justadude]

It is addressed...
Psychology (experts) have been peddling for Years...
Talk to a shrink...Rehab...Rehab again...Rehab again and again and again...
Gets you wormed out of a sentence...and eh you get out of rehab and nothing has changed. AA meetings, All kinds of specialized meetings and facilities AND of course a string of chemical compounds to zombie-ize people to "overcome" their underlying unacceptable urges.

Um.....okay......

 

[Justadude]

You are what you make of yourself. Not what Daddy did, or Grandaddy did, or what your momma did. As for overt racism, that was the reality for everyone from the Blacks, to Jews, to Irish to Chinese that came here, and I could go on adding races. They were all "oppressed" in one way or another. And many of the blacks who came from Africa were sold to slave traders by other blacks, so they were already slaves in their own country. Are they protesting that? If we are responsible for what our ancestors did, we would all have to apologize to ourselves, because I'm sure we have both slave owners and slaves in our histories. The advantage of a melting post is that we are not supposed to find our identity in our race, but in being American. And this goes double for Christians because their only true identity is in Christ.

Geez, are you really that tone deaf? If you truly think they're out protesting slavery, I can't help you.